Pentagon 911 video

OnDborder · May 16, 2006, 10:40 PM

Boy, from what I can see in those videos, that "plane" isn't very big.
In the first video, you can barely make out a nose cone, a very thin nose cone. You would think it would be a lot larger.
Judge for yourself.
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

SexPistoL · May 16, 2006, 10:58 PM

Sorry m8, but.............Not this again !!!!!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Falstaff · May 16, 2006, 11:12 PM

ditto....ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

Nacht · May 17, 2006, 03:24 AM

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

I was going to dig up the old thread, and post this link there...but this will work just as well.

Trodas, read up

Zelig · May 17, 2006, 03:26 AM

It's not actually trodas who started the thread.

Nacht · May 17, 2006, 03:57 AM

I know, but I figured the thread title would attract him here. I was simply calling his attention to the link

TJ- · May 17, 2006, 04:10 AM

someone post the video, i cant find it.,

Nacht · May 17, 2006, 04:17 AM

http://www.judicialwatch.org/

OnDborder · May 17, 2006, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Di]:Z!ON

someone post the video, i cant find it.,

It's down the page. 2 videos. http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html

Sorry, I wasn't here during the last debate over this subject, neither were these videos.

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 01:22 PM

That is SOOO not a boeing...

bug77 · May 17, 2006, 01:57 PM

Never ceases to amaze me how people expect a plane to make a hole the size of it's own wingspan... That's not proof, that's cartoons!

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 02:20 PM

No what surprises me is the size of the plane... And I do expect to see damage from the wings... Why the hell would there be a hole to the size of the wingspan? I just want the impact marks... And debris while we are at it!

And is that the supposed boeing? Wtf? (yeah that tiny white thing...)

BWX · May 17, 2006, 02:27 PM

And the moon landing never happened.

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 02:32 PM

It did... Dude I totally believe 911 happened! Why do you all think that if you disagree with the goverment facts for 911 that I assume it never happened? It did but the pentagon story and all just doesn't add up.

Thank god some people actually are nosy and look in every nook and cranny. If everyone believed whatever the officals told us, we'd still be pumping Radium into our blood...

BWX · May 17, 2006, 02:43 PM

I still know that a plane hit the pentagon... all the people died, it is a tragedy.. the end.

No missile, no bomb, no conspiracy, except that of the terrorists who took advantage of out free society to kill us.

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 02:45 PM

Meh is all I can say mate... Till they release the videos from the Sharaton hotel and gas station right next to the pentagon which have full 25fps cams AND that all the eye witnesses agree on what they saw (since one saw a missile, another a small plane and another a boeing), I shall stay sceptical.

And you are just like my dad

BWX · May 17, 2006, 02:59 PM

Your dad must be a very smart and handsome man.

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 03:03 PM

He is BWX

Hey honestly I don't find it fun either and I do hope that the world never faces another even like the 7/7 or 911

BWX · May 17, 2006, 03:19 PM

The sad thing is, I am pretty sure there will be worse attacks on free countries... from terrorists. Just a hunch.. but I would bet in the next 10 years someone will set off a nuke somewhere.. or something else like a biological or chemical attack..

Just a matter of time..

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 03:20 PM

WW3 is a coming... Fast

BWX · May 17, 2006, 03:21 PM

-if not already here.

Sandok · May 17, 2006, 03:28 PM

Well it's a hidden war but the moment it becomes full scale, that'll be a scary time.

Nacht · May 18, 2006, 02:44 AM

Sandok, go to the first link I posted. It was def. a 757.

One of my pledge brothers at Uni saw it himself.

OnDborder · May 19, 2006, 05:58 PM

Ok, it was American Airlines 77. It was an airline.. A very big, cumbersome aircraft. Takes years of experience to even begin to handle one of these marvels of engineering... Right?

Are we suppose to believe someone, hani hanjour( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour) , flew and controlled this aircraft "feet" above the ground for hundreds of yards before slamming into the Pentagon.
Ok, let's just take a few clippings out of this article..
"Leaving Oakland in September and moving to [color=#0000ff]Phoenix, Arizona[/color], Hanjour paid $4,800 for lessons at CRM Flight Cockpit Resource Management in [color=#0000ff]Scottsdale[/color]. He received poor marks from instructor Duncan Hastie"
"In [color=#0000ff]August[/color] [color=#0000ff]1998[/color], Hanjour requested to rent a small plane at the [color=#0000ff]Freeway Airport[/color] in [color=#0000ff]Bowie, Maryland[/color]. However, after three practise flights with an overseer, it was decided that he was not capable enough to allow him to rent"
"Hanjour failed UA English classes with a 0.26 GPA and a JetTech manager said “He could not fly at all.”"

"[Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [[color=#0000ff]New York Times[/color]]"
"they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html

This, in my opinion, is what really smells of caca de toro.. How could someone that couldn't even handle a Cesna, handle that 757??

One other "oddity".. Wouldn't you assume/think that the Pentagon would have slightly more security cameras than a neighborhood Walmart? We get to see video from a guard station?
I am not a conspiracy nut

Just someone that is asking questions.

Sandok · May 19, 2006, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nacht

Sandok, go to the first link I posted. It was def. a 757.

One of my pledge brothers at Uni saw it himself.

Seen plenty of sites giving better proof than your link that it wasn't a 757 and a friend of ours, who was at the scene when it happened swears that it wasn't a commercial 757... And I'd rather believe sombody I know and not some "pledge" bro!

Actually, no two eyewitness agree so...

Anyways, I'm outta this thread, no need for more flaming on my part.

OnDborder · May 19, 2006, 06:30 PM

Just what if it was??
Don't you find it odd that this guy could fly this plane?
Here's another obsticle this "terrorist" had to overcome with his vast skill and knowledge.. "In fact, the real difficulty may be how the airplane managed to maintain this continuous downward flight path. If the pilot was trying hard to push the airplane down as close to the ground as possible, the craft would have encountered "ground effect", an increase of lift and decrease of drag experienced by low-wing aircraft operating a few feet above the terrain. This effect can make it very difficult to land an airplane until all excess speed has been "bled off". "
http://www.911-strike.com/quantum-path.htm

This Pentagon event is overlooked by the visuals of the Twin Towers..

NUCLEARWINTER · May 20, 2006, 08:03 AM

.....i h8 terrorists....they suk! there ought to be a shirt that says "Terrorists Are Gay" or "T.A.G" for short

OldBuzzard · May 20, 2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnDborder

Just what if it was??
Don't you find it odd that this guy could fly this plane?
Here's another obsticle this "terrorist" had to overcome with his vast skill and knowledge.. "In fact, the real difficulty may be how the airplane managed to maintain this continuous downward flight path. If the pilot was trying hard to push the airplane down as close to the ground as possible, the craft would have encountered "ground effect", an increase of lift and decrease of drag experienced by low-wing aircraft operating a few feet above the terrain. This effect can make it very difficult to land an airplane until all excess speed has been "bled off". "
http://www.911-strike.com/quantum-path.htm

This Pentagon event is overlooked by the visuals of the Twin Towers..

It's obvious that you are not a pilot.
While:
"the craft would have encountered "ground effect", an increase of lift and decrease of drag experienced by low-wing aircraft operating a few feet above the terrain. This effect can make it very difficult to land an airplane until all excess speed has been "bled off".

is true, it does not have that great effect ABOVE LANDING SPEED. Ground effect is not some 'magical effect' that 'repells' the plane from the earth. I will agree that the pilot would have needed a bit more forward pressure on the column (stick) to keep it at low (less that 1/2 wingspan alltitude, which is where ground effect occurs, and which is roughly 62' 5"/19m for the B757) altitude, but since the B757 is 'fly by wire', and the controls are all hydrolically(sp) boosted, the effort required would be minimual.

The other thing that the 'conspiracy idiots' fail to take into account is that for other than take offs and landings, the airliners are actually quite easy to fly. It's not all that hard to just 'guide one around the sky'. If anything a light plane from the late 40's to early 60's is harder to fly smoothly because of advances in aerodynamics. I learned to fly in a J-3 Cub and owned a Cessna 140 and I can tell you that they were a lot harder to fly smoothly than a late model 182 or Cherokee, because of the co-ordination of rudder/aileron needed for the older airplanes.

I know airplanes, and I know BULLSHIT about aiplnanes when I see it, and these guys are shoveling a BIG load of the latter.

OnDborder · May 20, 2006, 04:39 PM

[QUOTE=OldBuzzard]It's obvious that you are not a pilot.

The other thing that the 'conspiracy idiots' fail to take into account is that for other than take offs and landings, the airliners are actually quite easy to fly.
QUOTE]
Never implied or said I was a pilot.
Just curious, have you flown an airline, a 7**?
The reason I'm asking is, from what I've read and what is linked, this guy couldn't fly worth a darn.
Using just a little common sense, it would be like a person jumping out of a Toyota Corolla and into a Peterbuilt. Sure you could drive the big rig but the ability to maneuver it with finesse in tight places is other thing. Same with this situation.
So it wouldn't be difficult flying/landing that 757 into the Pentagon right at ground level without scraping the ground just before impact?

Seeing there are many people here with some great answers, answer me this. Do you think there's more videos, from the Pentagon itself, than what they're showing us?

Sandok · May 20, 2006, 04:43 PM

Yes it's a known fact that a gas station next to the pentagon and a hotel caught the whole thing on tape but the FBI confiscated the videos and never released em... I mean, if they DO want to remove all these stupid conspiracy theories, just show us the tapes! The full 25fps ones!

May 16, 2006, 10:40 PM	#1
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	Pentagon 911 video Boy, from what I can see in those videos, that "plane" isn't very big. In the first video, you can barely make out a nose cone, a very thin nose cone. You would think it would be a lot larger. Judge for yourself. http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/foi/index.html __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750

May 16, 2006, 10:58 PM	#2
SexPistoL DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 604 Rep Power: 0	Sorry m8, but.............Not this again !!!!!!! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz __________________

May 16, 2006, 11:12 PM	#3
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May 17, 2006, 03:26 AM	#5
Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	It's not actually trodas who started the thread. __________________ --

May 17, 2006, 04:10 AM	#7
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,679 Rep Power: 0	someone post the video, i cant find it., __________________ new sig comming soon

May 17, 2006, 03:24 AM	#4
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html I was going to dig up the old thread, and post this link there...but this will work just as well. Trodas, read up

May 17, 2006, 03:57 AM	#6
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	I know, but I figured the thread title would attract him here. I was simply calling his attention to the link

May 17, 2006, 04:17 AM	#8
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	http://www.judicialwatch.org/

May 17, 2006, 01:22 PM	#10
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	That is SOOO not a boeing...

May 17, 2006, 01:57 PM	#11
bug77 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: around Posts: 792 Rep Power: 0	Never ceases to amaze me how people expect a plane to make a hole the size of it's own wingspan... That's not proof, that's cartoons!

May 17, 2006, 02:20 PM	#12
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	No what surprises me is the size of the plane... And I do expect to see damage from the wings... Why the hell would there be a hole to the size of the wingspan? I just want the impact marks... And debris while we are at it! And is that the supposed boeing? Wtf? (yeah that tiny white thing...)

May 17, 2006, 02:27 PM	#13
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	And the moon landing never happened. __________________

May 17, 2006, 02:32 PM	#14
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	It did... Dude I totally believe 911 happened! Why do you all think that if you disagree with the goverment facts for 911 that I assume it never happened? It did but the pentagon story and all just doesn't add up. Thank god some people actually are nosy and look in every nook and cranny. If everyone believed whatever the officals told us, we'd still be pumping Radium into our blood...

May 17, 2006, 02:43 PM	#15
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I still know that a plane hit the pentagon... all the people died, it is a tragedy.. the end. No missile, no bomb, no conspiracy, except that of the terrorists who took advantage of out free society to kill us. __________________

May 17, 2006, 02:45 PM	#16
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Meh is all I can say mate... Till they release the videos from the Sharaton hotel and gas station right next to the pentagon which have full 25fps cams AND that all the eye witnesses agree on what they saw (since one saw a missile, another a small plane and another a boeing), I shall stay sceptical. And you are just like my dad

May 17, 2006, 02:59 PM	#17
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Your dad must be a very smart and handsome man. __________________

May 17, 2006, 03:03 PM	#18
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	He is BWX Hey honestly I don't find it fun either and I do hope that the world never faces another even like the 7/7 or 911

May 17, 2006, 03:19 PM	#19
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	The sad thing is, I am pretty sure there will be worse attacks on free countries... from terrorists. Just a hunch.. but I would bet in the next 10 years someone will set off a nuke somewhere.. or something else like a biological or chemical attack.. Just a matter of time.. __________________

May 17, 2006, 03:20 PM	#20
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	WW3 is a coming... Fast

May 17, 2006, 03:21 PM	#21
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	-if not already here. __________________

May 17, 2006, 03:28 PM	#22
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Well it's a hidden war but the moment it becomes full scale, that'll be a scary time.

May 18, 2006, 02:44 AM	#23
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	Sandok, go to the first link I posted. It was def. a 757. One of my pledge brothers at Uni saw it himself.

May 19, 2006, 05:58 PM	Thread Starter #24
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	Ok, it was American Airlines 77. It was an airline.. A very big, cumbersome aircraft. Takes years of experience to even begin to handle one of these marvels of engineering... Right? Are we suppose to believe someone, hani hanjour( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour) , flew and controlled this aircraft "feet" above the ground for hundreds of yards before slamming into the Pentagon. Ok, let's just take a few clippings out of this article.. "Leaving Oakland in September and moving to [color=#0000ff]Phoenix, Arizona[/color], Hanjour paid $4,800 for lessons at CRM Flight Cockpit Resource Management in [color=#0000ff]Scottsdale[/color]. He received poor marks from instructor Duncan Hastie" "In [color=#0000ff]August[/color] [color=#0000ff]1998[/color], Hanjour requested to rent a small plane at the [color=#0000ff]Freeway Airport[/color] in [color=#0000ff]Bowie, Maryland[/color]. However, after three practise flights with an overseer, it was decided that he was not capable enough to allow him to rent" "Hanjour failed UA English classes with a 0.26 GPA and a JetTech manager said “He could not fly at all.”" "[Flight Academy] Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all." [[color=#0000ff]New York Times[/color]]" "they found he had trouble controlling and landing the single-engine Cessna 172" http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hanjour.html This, in my opinion, is what really smells of caca de toro.. How could someone that couldn't even handle a Cesna, handle that 757?? One other "oddity".. Wouldn't you assume/think that the Pentagon would have slightly more security cameras than a neighborhood Walmart? We get to see video from a guard station? I am not a conspiracy nut Just someone that is asking questions. __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750

May 19, 2006, 06:30 PM	Thread Starter #26
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	Just what if it was?? Don't you find it odd that this guy could fly this plane? Here's another obsticle this "terrorist" had to overcome with his vast skill and knowledge.. "In fact, the real difficulty may be how the airplane managed to maintain this continuous downward flight path. If the pilot was trying hard to push the airplane down as close to the ground as possible, the craft would have encountered "ground effect", an increase of lift and decrease of drag experienced by low-wing aircraft operating a few feet above the terrain. This effect can make it very difficult to land an airplane until all excess speed has been "bled off". " http://www.911-strike.com/quantum-path.htm This Pentagon event is overlooked by the visuals of the Twin Towers.. __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750

May 20, 2006, 08:03 AM	#27
NUCLEARWINTER Reap What You Sow. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Louisville, Kentucky Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 65 System Specs	.....i h8 terrorists....they suk! there ought to be a shirt that says "Terrorists Are Gay" or "T.A.G" for short __________________ insert witty comment here!

May 20, 2006, 04:39 PM	Thread Starter #29
OnDborder DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 0	[QUOTE=OldBuzzard]It's obvious that you are not a pilot. The other thing that the 'conspiracy idiots' fail to take into account is that for other than take offs and landings, the airliners are actually quite easy to fly. QUOTE] Never implied or said I was a pilot. Just curious, have you flown an airline, a 7**? The reason I'm asking is, from what I've read and what is linked, this guy couldn't fly worth a darn. Using just a little common sense, it would be like a person jumping out of a Toyota Corolla and into a Peterbuilt. Sure you could drive the big rig but the ability to maneuver it with finesse in tight places is other thing. Same with this situation. So it wouldn't be difficult flying/landing that 757 into the Pentagon right at ground level without scraping the ground just before impact? Seeing there are many people here with some great answers, answer me this. Do you think there's more videos, from the Pentagon itself, than what they're showing us? __________________ "I was so insane with wanting to get even, I willingly believed anything" “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” Asus P5B-deluxe/6400/wc 2gigZ Crucial 6400 Evga8800gtx X-Fi Elite Pro 150gb Raptor/WDsata250 Silverstone 750

May 20, 2006, 04:43 PM	#30
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Yes it's a known fact that a gas station next to the pentagon and a hotel caught the whole thing on tape but the FBI confiscated the videos and never released em... I mean, if they DO want to remove all these stupid conspiracy theories, just show us the tapes! The full 25fps ones!