The_Neon_Cowboy

Just in:

Only over 500 WMD's found in Iraq thus far serin and mustard gas munitions
from pre 1991. Proving saddams stockpiles where not destroyed as previously claimed
by them. More info as it comes in as their working to get it declassified... The
declassified version so far says there are far more munitions suspected to be on
the ground. AS well assome are suspected that the may being sold in the black market.

sure beats to death the clamns by many anti that no WMD's have ever been fund.

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digerati

Just for the sake of sakes, source?

Gabriel_Etranil

Here's one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

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mkk

Those miniscule stockpiles of degraded munitions from the old days have been up before in earlier threads. Give the dead horse a rest.

The_Neon_Cowboy

so it be ok if we exposed you one? LOL! You'd be going, no thanks! Point it they
contenu to find ordanace that wasn't supposed to be there...So he was allowed
to have ZERO, each one he has is in voiltion of te un sanctions so thats over 500
voliations if you want to look at it that way.... It just another small puice of a small pice
of a larger pozzle that so many that hate the US or it's efforts willfully fail to see...

Saddam was pushing for the removal of stations note: UN scandle
Saddam was ready to have his WMD programs runing virtauly over night.

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Sandok

And they say this 3 years after the invasion? Hmmmm...

SFOSOK

Chances are he sold them to a neighboring country rather than destroy them.

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Neshi

or us thought, hey, we need to get with some proof to legitimate our invasion... lets drop our retarded WMD's to iran and dump em there. Then send in some soldiers who 'unexpectetly' find those weapons...

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The_Neon_Cowboy

Actully many things where all over the news as they where found. But the key thing
is ever munition they find is one that the UN inpectors "missed" , or where they
even looking?

The rarly "rumor" on the battle field was that france helped them , move what they had.
But The long standing before during and after has always been they likely moved stuff
to seria or else where....

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SFOSOK

The UN sucks at its job.

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genman1

Officials: U.S. didn’t find WMDs, despite claims

Comments are response to claims by GOP senators


NBC News and news services
Updated: 10:04 p.m. ET June 22, 2006


WASHINGTON - Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Thursday they have no evidence that Iraq produced chemical weapons after the 1991 Gulf War, despite recent reports from media outlets and Republican lawmakers.

Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania and Rep. Peter Hoekstra of Michigan on Wednesday pointed to a newly declassified report that says coalition forces have found 500 munitions in Iraq that contained degraded sarin or mustard nerve agents.

They cited the report in an attempt to counter criticism by Democrats who say the decision to go to war was a mistake.

But defense officials said Thursday that the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age, which they determined to be pre-1991.

Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time."

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue.

"We were able to determine that [the missile] is, in fact, degraded and ... is consistent with what we would expect from finding a munition that was dated back to pre-Gulf War," an intelligence official told NBC. "However, even in the degraded state, our assessment is that they could pose an up-to-lethal hazard if used in attacks against coalition forces."

‘A bit suspicious’
Democrats said a report from the top U.S. weapons inspector contemplated that older munitions bearing traces of chemical agents would be found.

A leading Democrat on intelligence issues said Santorum's assertion that there were in fact weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was politically motivated.

"It's a bit suspicious that this was rolled out the night before" the debate and vote in the Senate on withdrawal from Iraq "by a senator in a close political race," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.

Santorum is down 18 points in his Senate re-election contest, according to a poll released Wednesday.

Harman said it was "unfortunate" that people have "not learned the lesson about hyping ... and cherry picking" intelligence to suit their own aims.

For his part, Hoekstra, appearing before cameras on Thursday, reiterated his assertions of Wednesday evening, saying, "Iraq is NOT a WMD-free zone" and it "amazes me" that members of Congress still say that there was no WMD in Iraq.

NBC News’ Robert Windrem, NBC News' Mike Viqueira and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Ferdinand_L

Wow, three dead american soldiers (and climbing) for every 1988 vintage, inert artillery shell. Yeah, well worth it.


Ferd-

SFOSOK

I don't want to sound like an asshole or nuthin, but thats not a whole lot...

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The_Neon_Cowboy

fact is I could go out and bury a fleet of semi trucks in the giant sandbox that is Iraq
and say find them??? Finding them would take forever or be a needle in a haystack as
the country has th landmass of California (Short of you watching me berry them, or
someone else watching telling you .... ). Only time will till if their there they will be
found in time.... if their else where it'll b hard to prove / do anything about.

Point is he wasn't supposed to have enough to fill a thimble, had quite a bit of old stuff.
The labs there where their where clean but could produce WMD materail virtually over night.
assumed missile with a longer range then they where allowed to have.

the stuff adds up why to man look at one puzzle piece from the box of 1,000 and say there
is no picture here.... you have to fit this pieces together

also there is little doubt with in the next decade thy would of had sanctions lifted, and full WMD
capabilities and arsenal if we had invaded.

Think of it this way they refused to do a proper job in desert storm so we are going back to do right with a previous administration didn't have the will to do. No to mention who make the work harder and stirred up a hatred of the US. Laving them and their family's to be slighted like cattle after they tried
to uprise against Saddam only for the US to pull out and leave them on their own.

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This just in: Despite Hussein's claims that there were no alligators in Iraq, the US has in fact found a pair of alligator-skin shoes under his bed.

OmegaRED

If there were WMD's hidden don't you think one of the soldiers that knew of it (or a higher up) would have told the U.S. where to find them in exchange for reward? Nothing less than Nukes or modern day chemical agents will suffice as proof of WMD's for the rest of the world.

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Falstaff

In fact, the missles that they found were merely lacking the physics package to make them nuclear weapons vs conventional. The fact that stockpiles of chemcial agents were indeed found and buried, I saw it myself. Our MLRS detonated numerous bunkers with multiple mortor sites and set them ablaze, we buried them under sand to extingush the flames, those exposed tested positive for nerve agents, I know I did, and I was just doing some BDA with a camera. It doesnt take much. If they had managed to find large stockpiles of enriched uranium or plutonium then this argument would be moot.

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hyperl1t3

wow... hard... use a giant version of ultrasound with airplane... scan...hmm... big black truck shaped hole found on scanner. C:/ found with virus...

see? wasn't that hard.

hyperl1t3

and amongst all that don't you think that he would have been like "men we're so f*#@ed they're coming!!! allah al jazeria bust out the party poppers!!!!"

honestly now.

The_Neon_Cowboy

You mean like the people who defected and told the us intelligence about said things???
that and that they acted on us and foreign intelligence...

yes yes now remeber you must scan also, seria, iran etc... and that the hole
time anti aircraf missles will be flying at you, people will be strapping bombs
to the selfs walking into everything from you local 7/11 to you local mall and
blowing them selfs up. and basically full out war with the entrie middlee east
and millions die... wow so easy huh?

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Falstaff

Watch Syria very closely...
that is all I have to say...

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TheBlackCat

I see. So they had nuclear weapons, they were just missing the "nuclear" part of the weapon. That is kind of the key component to having a nuclear weapon.

Iran and Syria were mortal enemies of Iraq under Saddam. They hated each other with a passion. Remember the whole Iran/Iraq war that we financed Saddam during? Why on Earth would Saddam send weapons to his enemies who would be just as likely to use it on him as anyone else?

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Maddogg6

Prolly for the same reason we once financed sadam - then we ousted him... ?? I dunno it could happen - picking the 'least of 2 evils' decisions on their part.

If sadam sent them ANYWHERE out of iraq - he prolly equated as defeat and wouldnt care at that point who they were used or, thought to be a good bet they would used on a 'common' enemy - which would be a sort of 'silver lining' from sadams viewpoint.

I have little doubt Sadam knew who was his neighbors most threatening enemies.

TheBlackCat

If he didn't care what they were used for why would he have even bothered getting rid of them? If he knows they will offer no benefit to him, why do it? And if he wanted them to be used against the US, why not just use them against the US himself when he was being invaded?

It is just illogical. He hate the US, wants his WMDs to be used against them. US forces rush into Iraq, giving him the perfect opportunity to do so. He is going to be ousted anyway, so he has nothing to lose. It may even cause enough chaos to let him escape the country. If he stays he knows he is ultimately going to be captured and executed anyway. And all of his cronies are going to die, go to jail, or end up serving the US and thus not worth his time. So he has nothing to lose and everything to gain from using them.

But he doesn't. Instead he gives them to his mortal enemies, enemies he probably hates even more than the US, and who have a vested interest in not using them against the US because they still have countries and don't want to die. They also don't want to use them against the US because everyone currently hates the US and therefore would rather negotiate with these other countries rather than agree with the US, and using WMDs against the US would completely reverse this like happened after 9/11. These other countries also don't want to use the weapons because people are more afraid of nukes and merely having the threat of eventually having nukes is enough to get what they want and thus having real chemical weapons would be a threat but not give them any real benefit.

What is more, it requires he get rid of some chemical weapons that are new but for some reason leave all the old ones, even though those could also be used by his enemies against the US and could potentially help the people in the US government who orchestrated his downfall politically. But he didn't even bother boobytrapping these, not to mention using them or giving them to his enemies.

It doesn't make sense. It is assuming a whole bunch of really illogical and contradictory moves on Saddam's part, and having his people go along with it for no benefit to them, without the least bit of evidence that any of this has happened.

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hyperl1t3

nice diversion from the original topic of >>>***IRAQ***

Maddogg6

I agree - it doesnt make sense - I more so beleive he didnt have any...
But I have no problems playing 'devils advocate'... and one thing I know for certain.... we cant rely on the other guy to use 'logic'. becuase then - 'illogic' - *can* becomes a good tactic for them to use if we do. Especially when we cant say for certain we understand his 'viewpoints' on the many aspects we also assume are important to you and I - but maybe not important to him?? Devils advocate again... ???

Maddogg6

I dont think he went off topic...
he was saying - if your gonna scan IRAQ - you have to scan.... as well.
And that would start a bigger mess... thats how I understood it anyway.

The_Neon_Cowboy

oh and i forgot other we'd also need to buzz other contries ie. france rumored
on the battle fieldto have helped move his wmd before the was started

yep, basically what good would itdo to scan where they where? Vs where they are now....

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SFOSOK

They definately had something and I believe it in Iran now.

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