Lebanon Israel Conflict

SFOSOK · Jul 18, 2006, 07:18 AM

What do you guys think about it?

Should the US tie Israel's hands or let them kick the crap out of the Hezbollah?

**temeteus82** · Jul 18, 2006, 07:42 AM

I think that UN should send peacekeepers there to disarm Hezbollah. If Hezbollah don’t agree to disarm itself peacekeepers will withdraw and give Israel free hands to deal Hezbollah.

SFOSOK · Jul 18, 2006, 07:59 AM

Well they did have two of their soldiers kidnapped. I think they are well in their rights to blow them to kingdom come.

**temeteus82** · Jul 18, 2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

I think they are well in their rights to blow them to kingdom come.

I assume you mean Hezbollah?? Most of the causalities are civilians…
If Hezbollah leaders were smart they would free the two solders. But politicks in that region isn’t so simple. And the ring of revenge is spinning 24/7. So when Hezbollah strikes Israeli retaliates and so on…

Falstaff · Jul 18, 2006, 01:14 PM

The U.S. is not holding Israel back at all, in fact counter-battery artillery fire and air strikes are currently penetrating deep into Lebanon at this time and along the border with Syria. A resolution that was proposed years ago to create a buffer zone and disarming the Hezbollah is being considered by the Israelis as well as the Arab Nations. Israel has tremendous resolve in this matter and will ultimately prevail, the great firestorm of missles has not occurred yet, but is predicted soon. Without resupply from Syria or other Arab nations the finite number of weaponry would be exhausted soon.
I agree that U.S. policy might influence the actions of Israel because we obviously have supplied and defended them in the past but historically we wait for Israel to play all their cards.
I give this entire situation two weeks to evolve and see if Syria and Lebanon will willingly participate in peace negotiations, because at present they can stop the Hezbollah either.

Ferdinand_L · Jul 18, 2006, 05:13 PM

Can't say I blame Israel for their actions, although I think it may be counterproductive in the long run. Lebanon for the first time was beginning to take a more active government stance against the influence of Syria. However, Lebanon's ability to limit Hezbollah's militant wing will take a lot of time. I'm afraid that the Israeli action will only aid Syria and, by proxy, Iran because it will push Lebanese public opinion in that direction.

Wait and see I guess.

Ferd-

SFOSOK · Jul 18, 2006, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

The U.S. is not holding Israel back at all, in fact counter-battery artillery fire and air strikes are currently penetrating deep into Lebanon at this time and along the border with Syria. A resolution that was proposed years ago to create a buffer zone and disarming the Hezbollah is being considered by the Israelis as well as the Arab Nations. Israel has tremendous resolve in this matter and will ultimately prevail, the great firestorm of missles has not occurred yet, but is predicted soon. Without resupply from Syria or other Arab nations the finite number of weaponry would be exhausted soon.
I agree that U.S. policy might influence the actions of Israel because we obviously have supplied and defended them in the past but historically we wait for Israel to play all their cards.
I give this entire situation two weeks to evolve and see if Syria and Lebanon will willingly participate in peace negotiations, because at present they can stop the Hezbollah either.

no but I asked should we. I know we aren't but if we are sending Condoliza Rice over then there is a good chance thats our plan.

Pompey · Jul 19, 2006, 10:18 AM

Israels bombardment of Lebanon is a total over reaction and I suspect their motives go far beyond recovering the two soldiers.
Two soldiers being kidnapped does not justify the invasion of a country and bombing of civilian infrastructure. Most of the people killed by Israel in this current conflict have not been terrorists but civilians. Im not saying some action was not justified but this campaign goes to far.

Has anyone else noticed Israel citing Lebanons failure to abide by UN resolutions as justification for their actions?

SFOSOK · Jul 19, 2006, 10:30 AM

Israel has been waiting to let the anger out on something.

Pompey · Jul 19, 2006, 10:31 AM

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Israel has been waiting to let the anger out on something.

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SFOSOK · Jul 19, 2006, 10:42 AM

lol, I know I know. But its the truth. What would you do if people have been bombing and killing your people for years? Wait for somebody attack and then blow them off the face of the map.

Pompey · Jul 19, 2006, 11:01 AM

How do the Lebanese feel?
They have been building their economy up for years after a civil war and Israeli and Syrian domination. Now Israel has decided to bomb it back 20 years. Compared to other countries in the region Lebanon was democratic, secular and making significant progress.

Im not saying all the blame lies with Israel or that thy weren’t provoked by the actions of Hezbollah but this is a total over reaction.

~~Alien1~~ · Jul 19, 2006, 11:15 AM

Both Israel and Lebanese are wrong in these and they must stop immediately
and go to the negotiations table

The Funny thing is that Mr Bush instead of beeing a Peacekeeper is mostly with Israel side...

"Israel must defend themselfs"

Nice speech Mr Bush you are helping a lot, at least you let the rest of the world know where your interests are...

Pompey · Jul 19, 2006, 11:23 AM

This is not between Lebanon and Israel; this is between a terrorist group and Israel.
The Lebanese PM has already called for an end to the violence. Neither Israel not Hezbollah wants one.

kelticknight · Jul 19, 2006, 11:41 AM

both sides are wrong in their actions
only un or nato force between two sides .if that doesn't work ,let them duke it out,would be in best interests that they had bach israel solders and something done about that hezbollah,they benn at it for months ,entering israel and shooting and killing,israel had enough,thats not saying israel is is not wrong,arab nations need to sort out this hezbollah
served in that area for short time,funny setup

SFOSOK · Jul 19, 2006, 12:15 PM

Well I'm not sayin its right, just stating

BWX · Jul 19, 2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

Israels bombardment of Lebanon is a total over reaction and I suspect their motives go far beyond recovering the two soldiers.
Two soldiers being kidnapped does not justify the invasion of a country and bombing of civilian infrastructure. Most of the people killed by Israel in this current conflict have not been terrorists but civilians. Im not saying some action was not justified but this campaign goes to far.

Is the Hezbolla launching 1000+ missiles into Israel enough of a reason?

Anyway...

This is definitely more than Just Israel and Hezbolla though.. That is why this is such a huge story. This conflict has much farther reaching influence.

Iran and Syria support the Hezbollah actions, Iran says they want to annihilate Israel.. hello?

If terrorists attack Israel they should blow them off the map, at least enough to disarm them. If the terrorist hide within civilians, the civilians had better get out of the way for the time being. They and their government are the ones that allow Hezbollah to exist there.

Falstaff · Jul 19, 2006, 01:38 PM

true statement, this conflict represents the struggle of Israel and the Arab world. Given the chance, even our Arab allies might try to eliminate the power of the Jewish state.

BWX · Jul 19, 2006, 02:45 PM

Which is something I will never understand.

I also can't understand how a leader of a country who is developing nukes can say he wants to destroy another country and expect to survive very long. He is just pounding the nails into his own coffin. If I were Israel I would be fighting too.. for my own survival. You cannot compromise with people who don't think you deserve to exist.

**temeteus82** · Jul 19, 2006, 03:57 PM

BTW. Does Israel have nukes??? I think that they have... And where they got them??

SFOSOK · Jul 19, 2006, 05:35 PM

Of course they do and from big brother. The US. Israel also has probably the best millitary, air force, special forces in the world. It is probably the only country I would not want to f with if I was in the Army. Their soldiers are highly trained and have lived and breathed terrorism and war.

BWX · Jul 19, 2006, 07:15 PM

They need them.. Also they don't threaten to destroy other countries..

I've heard so many arguments why Israel should back off and make deals with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that want nothing more than to destroy them for who they are, not one of them makes any sense.

It seems like it's all gonna happen no matter what. You want history of the middle east? Read the Bible, you want the future? Read the same book. Scary sometimes how some of the things in there are happening. iT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY FOR THE the next 25 years..

**temeteus82** · Jul 19, 2006, 07:50 PM

Israel has BIG military industry. Basically they buy airframes and ship frames from free market and put their own stuff in them. So they have superior systems compared Arabs. I read some where that in air combat Israel Air Force defeated USAF…

BWX · Jul 19, 2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

I read some where that in air combat Israel Air Force defeated USAF…

Oh yeah.. The great US/Israeli air war..

What exactly are you talking about?

**temeteus82** · Jul 19, 2006, 10:41 PM

They had some training session in Italy where USAF and IAF did some simulated combat runs...

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia.org

It is rumored that American pilots receive training from their Israeli counterparts as part of their training curriculum.

[Link]

**temeteus82** · Jul 19, 2006, 10:46 PM

From : http://www.answers.com/topic/israeli-air-force

"Israeli air force pilots handily beat their German counterparts in "dogfights" in the first ever air force exercise between the two countries, an Israeli military official said Monday. The Israeli F-15 pilots, aided by special technology that Israel does not share or sell to other countries, beat the Germans by more than 100 "hits," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. In the past, Israel has beaten American air force pilots by similar margins, the officials added. Israel purchases U.S. warplanes without battle technology, installing its own locally made systems into the aircraft. The exercise was conducted over the past two weeks in the skies of Sardinia in Italy."

pr0digal jenius · Jul 20, 2006, 12:05 AM

just an interesting little fact [I hope im remembering it correctly..i may be marginally off..but it's still mind boggling]

Israel makes up about 3/4 or a percent [0.7%] of the world's population...and produces over 1/10 of the world's military equipment and weaponry [0.7% of the people..in charge of 11.5% of the weaponry].....

BWX · Jul 20, 2006, 02:20 AM

Yeah they can kick ass if they need too.

SFOSOK · Jul 20, 2006, 03:05 AM

Our own Delta Force and SF trains with their Special Forces and also with Britian's SAS

Gabriel_Etranil · Jul 20, 2006, 03:29 AM

Hezbollah is responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing, I hope they get what they deserve.

Jul 18, 2006, 07:18 AM	#1
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Lebanon Israel Conflict What do you guys think about it? Should the US tie Israel's hands or let them kick the crap out of the Hezbollah? __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 18, 2006, 07:59 AM	Thread Starter #3
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Well they did have two of their soldiers kidnapped. I think they are well in their rights to blow them to kingdom come. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 18, 2006, 01:14 PM	#5
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	The U.S. is not holding Israel back at all, in fact counter-battery artillery fire and air strikes are currently penetrating deep into Lebanon at this time and along the border with Syria. A resolution that was proposed years ago to create a buffer zone and disarming the Hezbollah is being considered by the Israelis as well as the Arab Nations. Israel has tremendous resolve in this matter and will ultimately prevail, the great firestorm of missles has not occurred yet, but is predicted soon. Without resupply from Syria or other Arab nations the finite number of weaponry would be exhausted soon. I agree that U.S. policy might influence the actions of Israel because we obviously have supplied and defended them in the past but historically we wait for Israel to play all their cards. I give this entire situation two weeks to evolve and see if Syria and Lebanon will willingly participate in peace negotiations, because at present they can stop the Hezbollah either. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 19, 2006, 10:18 AM	#8
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	Israels bombardment of Lebanon is a total over reaction and I suspect their motives go far beyond recovering the two soldiers. Two soldiers being kidnapped does not justify the invasion of a country and bombing of civilian infrastructure. Most of the people killed by Israel in this current conflict have not been terrorists but civilians. Im not saying some action was not justified but this campaign goes to far. Has anyone else noticed Israel citing Lebanons failure to abide by UN resolutions as justification for their actions? __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Jul 19, 2006, 10:30 AM	Thread Starter #9
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Israel has been waiting to let the anger out on something. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 18, 2006, 05:13 PM	#6
Ferdinand_L DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	Can't say I blame Israel for their actions, although I think it may be counterproductive in the long run. Lebanon for the first time was beginning to take a more active government stance against the influence of Syria. However, Lebanon's ability to limit Hezbollah's militant wing will take a lot of time. I'm afraid that the Israeli action will only aid Syria and, by proxy, Iran because it will push Lebanese public opinion in that direction. Wait and see I guess. Ferd-

Jul 19, 2006, 10:42 AM	Thread Starter #11
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	lol, I know I know. But its the truth. What would you do if people have been bombing and killing your people for years? Wait for somebody attack and then blow them off the face of the map. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 19, 2006, 11:01 AM	#12
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	How do the Lebanese feel? They have been building their economy up for years after a civil war and Israeli and Syrian domination. Now Israel has decided to bomb it back 20 years. Compared to other countries in the region Lebanon was democratic, secular and making significant progress. Im not saying all the blame lies with Israel or that thy weren’t provoked by the actions of Hezbollah but this is a total over reaction. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Jul 19, 2006, 11:15 AM	#13
~~Alien1~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Europe Posts: 365 Rep Power: 0	Both Israel and Lebanese are wrong in these and they must stop immediately and go to the negotiations table The Funny thing is that Mr Bush instead of beeing a Peacekeeper is mostly with Israel side... "Israel must defend themselfs" Nice speech Mr Bush you are helping a lot, at least you let the rest of the world know where your interests are...

Jul 19, 2006, 11:23 AM	#14
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	This is not between Lebanon and Israel; this is between a terrorist group and Israel. The Lebanese PM has already called for an end to the violence. Neither Israel not Hezbollah wants one. __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Jul 19, 2006, 11:41 AM	#15
kelticknight DriverHeaven Knight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: EIRE{great for black stuff ,bulmers cider and Munster rubgy Posts: 1,095 Rep Power: 0	both sides are wrong in their actions only un or nato force between two sides .if that doesn't work ,let them duke it out,would be in best interests that they had bach israel solders and something done about that hezbollah,they benn at it for months ,entering israel and shooting and killing,israel had enough,thats not saying israel is is not wrong,arab nations need to sort out this hezbollah served in that area for short time,funny setup __________________

Jul 19, 2006, 12:15 PM	Thread Starter #16
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Well I'm not sayin its right, just stating __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 19, 2006, 01:38 PM	#18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	true statement, this conflict represents the struggle of Israel and the Arab world. Given the chance, even our Arab allies might try to eliminate the power of the Jewish state. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 19, 2006, 02:45 PM	#19
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Which is something I will never understand. I also can't understand how a leader of a country who is developing nukes can say he wants to destroy another country and expect to survive very long. He is just pounding the nails into his own coffin. If I were Israel I would be fighting too.. for my own survival. You cannot compromise with people who don't think you deserve to exist. __________________

Jul 19, 2006, 05:35 PM	Thread Starter #21
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Of course they do and from big brother. The US. Israel also has probably the best millitary, air force, special forces in the world. It is probably the only country I would not want to f with if I was in the Army. Their soldiers are highly trained and have lived and breathed terrorism and war. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 19, 2006, 07:15 PM	#22
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	They need them.. Also they don't threaten to destroy other countries.. I've heard so many arguments why Israel should back off and make deals with Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that want nothing more than to destroy them for who they are, not one of them makes any sense. It seems like it's all gonna happen no matter what. You want history of the middle east? Read the Bible, you want the future? Read the same book. Scary sometimes how some of the things in there are happening. iT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY FOR THE the next 25 years.. __________________

Jul 20, 2006, 12:05 AM	#27
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	just an interesting little fact [I hope im remembering it correctly..i may be marginally off..but it's still mind boggling] Israel makes up about 3/4 or a percent [0.7%] of the world's population...and produces over 1/10 of the world's military equipment and weaponry [0.7% of the people..in charge of 11.5% of the weaponry].....

Jul 20, 2006, 02:20 AM	#28
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Yeah they can kick ass if they need too. __________________

Jul 20, 2006, 03:05 AM	Thread Starter #29
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Our own Delta Force and SF trains with their Special Forces and also with Britian's SAS __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jul 20, 2006, 03:29 AM	#30
Gabriel_Etranil DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 186 Rep Power: 0	Hezbollah is responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing, I hope they get what they deserve. __________________ "I want to believe the voice in my head, but it lies"