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Old Aug 7, 2006, 08:28 PM   #1
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Reuters withdraws photograph of Beirut

Reuters are such idiots that they release obviously doctored photos to make Israel look worse. (or the attacks they make look worse)



One of a thousand sites with some info..
http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/08/06/...d-blown-smoke/


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The caption read: ‘Smoke billows from burning buildings destroyed during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut’s suburbs.’”[/COLOR]




Another site of many with this info...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...287774,00.html
YET ANOTHER UPDATE: Reuters admits to more image manipulation



"The F-16 in the photo is not firing missiles, but is rather dropping chaffe or flares designed to be a decoy for surface to air missiles. However, a close up (of) what Hajj calls "missiles" reveals that only one flare has been dropped. The other two "flares" are simply copies of the original," Shackleford wrote. "But what about the 'bombs' in the photo? Here is a close up of them. Notice anything? That's right. The top and bottom "bomb" are the same."








The first Reuters image of July 24


"One is from July 24 of a bombed out area in Beirut, with a clearly identifiable building in a prominent part of the shot. The second is of the exact same area, same buildings, same condition, with a woman walking past "a building flattened during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs August 5, 2006," he wrote.











According to the “news-gathering policy” from Reuters’ website, “Our policy is to send news to our customers only after scrutiny by a group of production editors who ensure quality standards are maintained across all our news services. When we get something wrong, our policy is to be honest about errors and to correct them promptly and clearly.”


Hmm, I wonder who's side they are on?
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Hmm, I wonder who's side they are on?
That depends from the money they will gain
They are like crows feeding from human pain just to make cash

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Hmm, I wonder who's side they are on?
They are on nobody’s side. Reuters did not doctor them, the guy who submitted them did.
If they were bias they wouldn’t have retracted the images, admitted their mistake and banned the guy who submitted them.

Sometimes the media make mistakes, just like anybody else. This may indicate lax procedures on reuters behalf but nothing else.
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Bah... they made no mistakes.. it is all very calculated.
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what are you basing this on?


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LONDON (Reuters) - Reuters withdrew all 920 photographs by a freelance Lebanese photographer from its database on Monday after an urgent review of his work showed he had altered two images from the conflict between Israel and the armed group Hizbollah.

Global Picture Editor Tom Szlukovenyi called the measure precautionary but said the fact that two of the images by photographer Adnan Hajj had been manipulated undermined trust in his entire body of work.

"There is no graver breach of Reuters standards for our photographers than the deliberate manipulation of an image," Szlukovenyi said in a statement.

"Reuters has zero tolerance for any doctoring of pictures and constantly reminds its photographers, both staff and freelance, of this strict and unalterable policy."
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Yeah of course they are going to say that.. I don't believe people who post doctored photos as real.. Like they are very well known for doing on many occasions.
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They didn’t know they were doctored. As soon as they found out they removed them and all the other photographers work from the site.

Please, show me examples when Reuters has deliberately posted doctored photos in order to deceive us.
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They didn’t know they were doctored. As soon as they found out they removed them and all the other photographers work from the site.

Please, show me examples when Reuters has deliberately posted doctored photos in order to deceive us.
That's the whole point.. It is such an amateurish photoshop job, a 12 year old could spot it. My argument is that they did know it was doctored and printed it anyway. They are so damn arrogant they thing the public won;t notice.
Just like they printed that totally false caption saying the building was bombed out on two separate occasions. They re trying to manipulate "the news" in favor of Hezbollah. The proof to me is the evidence.. it is quite clear.
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Reuters cooperating with Hesbolah because of these pictures
Are you serious, have you checked your brain ??

Thousands are dead in Lebanon and others are stranded because of Israel raids and that's not a lie

Some Fanatical Capitalist ideas makes me wan to puke
The bad Lebanese and the good Israel American propaganda
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They are on nobody’s side. Reuters did not doctor them, the guy who submitted them did.
If they were bias they wouldn’t have retracted the images, admitted their mistake and banned the guy who submitted them.

Sometimes the media make mistakes, just like anybody else. This may indicate lax procedures on reuters behalf but nothing else.
They only retracted it because they were caught, if they were truly unbiased the pictures would never have made it to the publication.

This also brings up the point of how much of the reported data is true or doctored? I've heard something about 40 civilian deaths reported actually only being 2, so there may be more than just pictures going on here, and not being isolated to just one photographer. I've also heard that they have been using the same dead bodies in photos among multiple bombsites.
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Reuters cooperating with Hesbolah because of these pictures
Are you serious, have you checked your brain ??

Thousands are dead in Lebanon and others are stranded because of Israel raids and that's not a lie

Some Fanatical Capitalist ideas makes me wan to puke
The bad Lebanese and the good Israel American propaganda
Who said they were cooperating? Have you checked your eyes lately?

Thousands more will die and they deserve it.. especially if they support the terrorist hezbollah scumbags.


I guess you only think its a crime if terrorists and terrorist supporters die, you haven't said one thing about Jews dying.
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Thousands more will die and they deserve it.. especially if they support the terrorist hezbollah scumbags.
Really?
So thousands must die and they deserve it

in what you think that are terrorists in Lebanon
Kids, parents, old ladies with their homes, food Stores, bridges ,

All of these are supporters of terrorism

How Cristian and noble of you

Really who is the real terrorist ?
Have you checked a thesaurus...these word maybe it concerns your actions too

You already share some common with Stalin and Hitler from what you have said
and these is worse from just terrorism
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Really?
So thousands must die and they deserve it

in what you think that are terrorists in Lebanon
Kids, parents, old ladies with their homes, food Stores, bridges ,

All of these are supporters of terrorism

How Cristian and noble of you

Really who is the real terrorist ?
Have you checked a thesaurus...these word maybe it concerns your actions too

You already share some common with Stalin and Hitler from what you have said
and these is worse from just terrorism
Do u live there?

Therefor both of your arguements on the matter are as valid as the other. You only have what you read. The truth is that those photos are doctored to undermine Israel's effort. Since that can be proven score one for the good side.

Also, have any of you seen the lovely pictures of a hezbola soldier using 4 civilians as human shields while firing at Israel soldiers?



My advice to civy's. The war is on, get out or be prepared to be used as a human shield and lose your life.
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Really?
So thousands must die and they deserve it
Yes, terrorists who target civilians deserve to die. Also the people supporting the terrorists deserve to die.







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in what you think that are terrorists in Lebanon
Kids, parents, old ladies with their homes, food Stores, bridges ,
No, the terrorists are the Hezbollah.. the civilians should leave. if the Hezbollah do not let the civilians leave because they want to use them ad human shields, which they are, the Hezbollah are killing the civilians- not Israel counter-fire.



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Really who is the real terrorist ?
Have you checked a thesaurus...these word maybe it concerns your actions too

Hezbollah are the terrorists in this conflict. They admit and boast that they are terrorists. They use terrorists tactics, they use civilians as human shields, they use suicide bombers, they are the definition of a terrorists organization.





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You already share some common with Stalin and Hitler from what you have said
and these is worse from just terrorism
Explain that statement... You can't.
I guarantee you will back down from that statement because it is completely absurd.
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They only retracted it because they were caught, if they were truly unbiased the pictures would never have made it to the publication.
Reuters did not doctor them. They were already doctored when they received them (im guessing they photographer wanted to make more money by submitting more dramatic shots...or since he was Lebanese he may have wanted to make something seem worse than it was). There are thousands of photos of the suffering un Lebanon, why would Reuters need to fake one or two? That could explain why it wasn’t caught earlier, they were so similar to all the other legitimate pics there was no reason to doubt their authenticity.


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they use suicide bombers, they are the definition of a terrorists organization.
Actually no. They abandoned that tactic long ago.

Could we keep this thread to the manipulated images, we already have another thread debating the justification for the war.






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Therefor both of your arguements on the matter are as valid as the other. You only have what you read. The truth is that those photos are doctored to undermine Israel's effort. Since that can be proven score one for the good side.
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These images may have been doctored, but not 99.9% of the images coming out of Lebanon so its not "score one for the good side".

The posting of inaccurate cartoons and many of you guys previous comments surrounding the so called media bias indicate that the bias lies not with Reuters, but with YOU.
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Reuters did not doctor them. They were already doctored when they received them (im guessing they photographer wanted to make more money by submitting more dramatic shots...or since he was Lebanese he may have wanted to make something seem worse than it was). There are thousands of photos of the suffering un Lebanon, why would Reuters need to fake one or two? That could explain why it wasn’t caught earlier, they were so similar to all the other legitimate pics there was no reason to doubt their authenticity.
So you are saying they are just grossly incompetent, but not corrupt?


“Our policy is to send news to our customers only after scrutiny by a group of production editors who ensure quality standards are maintained across all our news services..”





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Actually no. They abandoned that tactic long ago.
Actually yes, they are terrorists. They have done it, and still are using civilians as human shields and targeting civilians for political gain.


loa892 was recruited by a fellow cult member to come to DH to argue fr Hezbollah.. he is following me around.
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loa892 was recruited by a fellow cult member to come to DH to argue fr Hezbollah.. he is following me around.
OMG haha I just replied in 2 threads with you inside and now you think ii am folowing you around

- How did you find these out ?
Me and the hesbolah members are really close buddies...You know we have a cup of tea , drink some coffee

Well Yep i have to inform you that hesbolah has a contract for your head and I am here to kill you

I have planted a bomb to your keyboard so i would not touch a button if i were you

Give me a break....
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OMG haha I just replied in 2 threads with you inside and now you think ii am folowing you around

- How did you find these out ?
Me and the hesbolah members are really close buddies...You know we have a cup of tea , drink some coffee

Well Yep i have to inform you that hesbolah has a contract for your head and I am here to kill you

I have planted a bomb to your keyboard so i would not touch a button if i were you

Give me a break....

LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche LaRouche .... must follow this nut.... must listen... must repeat...

Dude this guy wants to make nice with terrorists and thinks the executive branch of the US government is under satanic control.. He's delusional and I think by the sounds of your posts, you might be too!
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Reuters did not doctor them. They were already doctored when they received them (im guessing they photographer wanted to make more money by submitting more dramatic shots...or since he was Lebanese he may have wanted to make something seem worse than it was). There are thousands of photos of the suffering un Lebanon, why would Reuters need to fake one or two? That could explain why it wasn’t caught earlier, they were so similar to all the other legitimate pics there was no reason to doubt their authenticity.
They were caught publishing doctored photos, I don't see why it's so hard to understand that concept. If it is already so bad in Lebanon why the need to alter numbers and stage photographs?
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They were caught publishing doctored photos, I don't see why it's so hard to understand that concept. If it is already so bad in Lebanon why the need to alter numbers and stage photographs?
The freelancer who took those pictures wanted more £££....
And Reuters hadn't reason to think that images would bee manipulated...
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They were caught publishing doctored photos, I don't see why it's so hard to understand that concept. If it is already so bad in Lebanon why the need to alter numbers and stage photographs?
Did you not read my post?
Im not debating whether or not the images were doctored. Im saying it was the free-lance photographer not Reuters who doctored them.

For not catching what were clearly doctored photos they have lost credibility. Not because they are bias, but because their checks are so pathetically weak that they could slip through.

Where has Reuters altered numbers? Are you now claiming that all the photos and videos coming out of Lebanon are fake?
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Did you not read my post?
Im not debating whether or not the images were doctored. Im saying it was the free-lance photographer not Reuters who doctored them.
Did you not read my post? I did not say they made the pictures they PUBLISHED THEM.

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For not catching what were clearly doctored photos they have lost credibility. Not because they are bias, but because their checks are so pathetically weak that they could slip through.
Yeah they were caught publishing doctored photo's, might be bias on their part might not, but guilty by association.

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Where has Reuters altered numbers? Are you now claiming that all the photos and videos coming out of Lebanon are fake?
Read my post, multiple reports of staged, doctored, and misleading photographs. Various numbers for dead reported from the same areas. Newsweek(or new york times don't remember which) even had a picture of an injured man(reported as dead) who wasn't even injured in the bombing of the place.
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Did you not read my post? I did not say they made the pictures they PUBLISHED THEM.
So how does this show they are bias??

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Read my post, multiple reports of staged, doctored, and misleading photographs. Various numbers for dead reported from the same areas. Newsweek(or new york times don't remember which) even had a picture of an injured man(reported as dead) who wasn't even injured in the bombing of the place.
You claimed multiple reports of staged, doctored and misleading photos without providing evidence. There are different death tolls partly because it is always a bit of estimation when the disaster is in progress. Estimates can be conservative or extreme depending on the motives of the organisation. This is not about what Newsweek/new your times published, its about Reuters.

The media (in general) is sensationalist, not bias. They do on occasions make things seem more dramatic than they are in order to sell their papers or increasing viewer numbers. A recent example is Condoleezza Rice wiping her forehead, a photographer snapped a shot and it was used to give the impressions she was under pressure. This is an example not of media bias to towards the bush administration, but the media sensationalising something that could be seen as otherwise bland to the average person. 'Condi under pressure' will probably sound better than 'Condi gives a press conference on x issue'.

They regularly try to get both sides of the story. In a recent issue of time for example, there was an article on the suffering in Lebanon that could be considered as bias so they printed a counterpoint on the very next page supporting Israel’s 'right to defend itself'.
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So how does this show they are bias??
You just like ignoring stuff don't you.


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You claimed multiple reports of staged, doctored and misleading photos without providing evidence. There are different death tolls partly because it is always a bit of estimation when the disaster is in progress. Estimates can be conservative or extreme depending on the motives of the organisation. This is not about what Newsweek/new your times published, its about Reuters.
Heard means tv, tv means no written source, and I'm not going to waste my time looking for all the instances in a clean written source right now. This is about Reuter's retraction of doctored/fabricated photographs, if you can't see any similarities to the topic then their is a problem with you.

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The media (in general) is sensationalist, not bias. They do on occasions make things seem more dramatic than they are in order to sell their papers or increasing viewer numbers. A recent example is Condoleezza Rice wiping her forehead, a photographer snapped a shot and it was used to give the impressions she was under pressure. This is an example not of media bias to towards the bush administration, but the media sensationalising something that could be seen as otherwise bland to the average person. 'Condi under pressure' will probably sound better than 'Condi gives a press conference on x issue'.
And if the press is deliberately fudging numbers, or overly hyping up deaths you don't have a problem with that?

[Edit]Here is something here :http://www.aish.com/movies/PhotoFraud.asp
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The problem is that these terrorists are the ones helping the homeless... The poor.. They give education and all.

Same problem in india after the bombay blasts, the terror cell responsible was one of the biggest helpers in the pakistan earthquake. Nobody wants to give em up.

And never forget:

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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Ditto!!!

If you guys think for a second these people that want to kill women and children, on purpose.. as a target.. are freedom fighters. You have very screwed up view of the world.

There's a difference between an army and a terrorist regime..
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