Flexkill

Well I am from New Orleans(Born and raised there...I recently moved to Nashville TN.) and for you to say "let it rot and die" is just a stupid statement! I can say first hand that NO is a very corrupt and dangerous place, and alot of the things that you stated in your first post are accurate. All of my family and friends still live and support NO. It is their home! They are good people with good jobs, and they are a benefit to the community of NO. NO has been a bad place for a long time and I am hoping that Katrina will help this community rebuild the right way and get rid of the riff raff in charge like Nagan. I would not want to see my home forgotten to "rot and die"!

You have to understand that NO is like no other place in the USA(please restrain from the sarcastic remarks!) People that live there are mostly born there and they all mostly die there as well. NO natives rarely ever leave NO. There is just something about the mighty[color=#cc0000][/color] Mississippi river, the Quarter, and the smell of all that great Creole food that lures you to stay.

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BWX

Of course there are a lot of good people there ..

I was talking about the government and crime rate, not the regular people. I just think the government is so incredibly corrupt (even more than most corrupt governments, which are common) that it would be a waste of tax payer money to throw billions more just to build government funded welfare courts..

Yeah sure, keep the good parts, but for the the federal government to fully finance a corrupt government to rebuild everything would be crazy.

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Falstaff

Your not going to provoke me with remarks like that..LOL . It isnt about approval ratings nor did I mention that, and by the way, my salary is paid by the department of defense. And if you read my comments regarding Nagin and Blanco, I am not too terribly pleased with system that does exist in New Orleans. I have an intimate knowlege of the workings of law enforcement and the problems with city before Katrina. My ex-mother-in-law and my second ex-wife are both residents of the state and live in Harvey Lousiana. I fondly recall listening to stories of police corruption and graft as a young sailor as well. But then I did my research long ago. If your bored, look up the history of Storyville, or watch the movie "Pretty Baby", you might find it entertaining, its okay. But the politics of the south and the history of New Orleans is replete with stories of crime and corruption. If you like Ann Rice novels you might find a dark side of New Orleans you might find entertaining as well. From the Spanish occupation to the present day New Orleans, many ghosts reveal themselves in the shadowy past of that town. Perhaps that is what people are fond of, like any city, its checkered past, its ghosts and ghost stories. As for me....build the damn city 30 to 40 miles inland and let the delta recover enough to create the barrier of sediment and marshes that used to be there before we settled in.
As for Bush, my politics notwithstanding, you dont have to be a republican to see where years of corruption and poor managment took New Orleans. The loudest critics are the people of New Orleans against Nagin and Blanco are the very democrats themselves.

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BWX

Just for the record.. That is BS.


http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...byl+death+toll

Chernobyl death toll grossly underestimated
http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...-deaths-180406
Chernobyl, Ukraine — A new Greenpeace report has revealed that the full consequences of the Chernobyl disaster could top a quarter of a million cancer cases and nearly 100,000 fatal cancers


The new data, based on Belarus national cancer statistics, predicts approximately 270,000 cancers and 93,000 fatal cancer cases caused by Chernobyl. The report also concludes that on the basis of demographic data, during the last 15 years, 60,000 people have additionally died in Russia because of the Chernobyl accident, and estimates of the total death toll for the Ukraine and Belarus could reach another 140,000.





IAEA deliberately downplays Chernobyl death toll to pave way for nuclear renaissance
http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...orumclosingday
Geneva, Switzerland — Greenpeace, today, accused the International Atomic Energy Agency of deliberately trying to down play the death toll of the Chernobyl accident as part of the nuclear industry's continued attempt to portray itself as an acceptable future energy source.
"fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster," to date. The IAEA study does not cover all of the populations affected by Chernobyl fall-out but merely considers those who received a high radiation dose in the immediate wake of the accident - namely those 'liquidators' drafted in to carry out the immediate clean up of the site.









http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/722533.stm
Ukraine's Health Ministry estimates that 3.5 million people, over a third of them children, have suffered illness as a result of the contamination, and the incidence of some cancers is 10 times the national average.








http://www.ratical.org/radiation/Che...obyl@10p2.html
Thyroid Cancers: More, Sooner, Untreatable
Dr. Soyfer further discovered that the Soviets focused on and publicized the fallout's radioactive iodine content, but understated the amounts of other far more dangerous isotopes. While 10 to 15 percent of the fallout was iodine-131, the long-lived radionuclides strontium-90 and cesium-137 made up more than two thirds of the total contamination.[12]

Furthermore, the Soviet's 1986 estimate of future cancer deaths was based only on the impact of iodine-131, and then only on external doses. As a result, the IAEA misled the world about Chernobyl's cancer threat. People contaminated with iodine-131 ingested it, first by breathing, then by drinking contaminated milk for six weeks. Thyroid cancer is caused by the iodine-131. Its rates are today ten times higher than the increase any scientist had anticipated. The U. N. has said that the number of thyroid cancers among children in Belarus -- where 70 percent of the fallout landed -- [COLOR=Red]are 285 times pre-Chernobyl levels.[13] [/COLOR]
The British Medical Journal reported in 1995 that the rate of thyroid cancer in the region north of Chernobyl -- Ukraine and Belarus -- is 200 times higher than normal, and the (British) Imperial Cancer Research Fund found a [COLOR=Red]500 percent increase in thyroid cancers among Ukrainian children between 1986 and 1993.[14] [/COLOR]
Fear is growing among physicians treating the young radiation victims, because the thyroid cancers are appearing sooner than expected and growing quicker than usual. Dr. Andrei Butenko, at Kiev Hospital No. 1 in Ukraine, says of his patients, "Routine chemotherapy seems to have lost its effectiveness; something has changed in the immune system."[15]

Cesium's Genetic Assault: the 300 Years War
Cesium-137 contamination is probably Chernobyl's most devastating and ominous consequence. The body can't distinguish cesium from potassium, so it's taken up by our cells and becomes an internal source of radiation. Cesium-137 is a gamma emitter and its half-life of 30 years means that it stays in the soil, to concentrate in the food chain, [COLOR=Red]for over 300 years[/COLOR]. While iodine-131 remains radioactive for six weeks, cesium-137 stays in the body for decades, concentrating in muscle where it irradiates muscle cells and nearby organs.[16]

Strontium-90 is also long-lived and, because it resembles calcium, is permanently incorporated into bone tissue where it may lead to leukemia.

The Soviets acknowledged in 1986 that the influence of cesium-137 on cancer death rates would be nine times that of iodine-131. They said that the effects of strontium-90 would "perhaps have, along with cesium-137, the most important meaning."[17]

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Flexkill

You my friend are an idiot!!!!

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Falstaff

now now now....
can we say this in a kinder gentler way?

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Flexkill

If you are talking about my comment....I don't believe there is a nice way to call someone an idiot....soooooo

You have to admit that's a pretty asinine statement he made.

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Maddogg6

Twas making a point....not provoking.... but you working for the DOD - I see you as having a vested interest in our current administartion and thus, I will not take your opinions very seriously as you are most likely going to have a prejudice viewpoint. And you 'getting worked up' about bush being called a racist seems to re-enforce this point as well.

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But I DO now have a little more respect for 'Brownie' taking some blame for the katrina mess (seen on 'surviving katrina' on Discovery last night.)
(I paraphearse btw)
'All of us failed, the whitehouse, FEMA, local officials - we all failed the NO citizens'

This just rang out a truth when I heard it.

he has earned some instant respect from me for saying this alone...no matter how big a nimrod he may or may not be. Now I guess im not sure. But... Finally some one taking public responsibility - too bad he was the only one relieved of his 'responsibility'.

BUT I did have some questions after watching...

They showed footage of people 'playing' in the rain and wind of previos hurricanes (was in the begging part that was commenting on everyones 'complacency') ... ok so NO has endured hurricanes in the past. right? and for 30+ years no excessive flooding in NO.

Then they have this expert saying this 'cat 3 hurricane desined' levee wouldnt have withstood a cat 1 hurricane - but didnt mention how it had endured in the past or if new weaknesses caused it to collapse this time.

reguardless.... it was spec'd out for cat 3 and katrina was cat 5... N.O. would have been flooded anyway. So it would seem the locals squandering WASNT the cause afterall. Just a contributor. - right?
'our computer models didnt account for levee breaches' - but LSU experts were STILL warning of mass flooding prior.

Now. the other thing I found interesting is this expert also stated that it was the ground beneath the levees and would take 20 years to make it handle a cat5 hurricane... so how was these billions spent 'inproving' these levees over the past years? How did they NOT get caught 'sqaundering' the $$? How did they justify spending the $$?? Who is responsible in fed gov't for this obvious 'mis-appropriation'.

Oh wouldnt the Army Corp of Engineers have had this job? - and isnt Bush their commander in cheif as well.

Thus, the $$$ would NOT have gone into the pockets of local gov't - but into THAT fed agency. - or how is this wrong? please explain?

And the buss thing was just poor planning and NOT 'refusal for use' as mentioned in this thread earlier - according to this special anyway.... and I have to say made more sense than a flat refusal.

But I liked how the Deputy Mayor of NO said. (in response to Nagin wanting to make a manditory evac earlier)

edited:
'wait a minute.... not so quick.... was legals and HLS response' so basically - HLS is alledged to have halted earlier evacs as well .... and HE (Chartoff - spelling..?? who cares) IS a Bush buddy too.
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Maddogg6

How about this as response...

'Well if you get robbed - we should kick your ass for being at the wrong place at the wrong time - knowing full well that crime exists'

Would have been more to the point and non-invasive.

Falstaff

you know I have been patient with you, and civil, but if you continue to make remarks about the validity of my comments or opinions I could care less really, that isn't the purpose of the forum we are both participating in, rather an oppurtunity to hear from both sides. I can only assume from your remarks that you entertain your own council on politics and equally as narrow minded as you have suggested others are as well. As far as a vested interest in anything rest assured I pay taxes, work for a living and served my country in a uniform and a coat and tie, so I paid my dues....how about you?
you may decline to respond to that last question because I am sure you are making some sort of contribution to the improvement to the U.S. or to yourself.
I have nothing but contempt for those that demonstrate a certain amount of hypocracy when it comes to national issues. I am above reproach in these matters, my opinion is well known, and I am not ashamed to tell anyone what I do for a living, I wonder how many other people can say that.
Make sacrifices for your family or your country...then you have room to complain about national issues and while your at it, try suggesting or take action on improving your country..assuming your an American.

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Flexkill

Point taken

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OldBuzzard

If you happen to be walking down the street in a high crime area with $100.00 bills hanging out of your pockets, then yes...you should have your ass kicked.


As far as hurricanes are concerned, NO is in a 'high crime area'. Katrina wasn't the first storm to hit NO. Betsy did a pretty good job on NO in 1965 (I know cause I was in the USAF stationed in Biloxi, and we went to NO to help in some cleanup). There was no FEMA or any of the other alphabet agencies giveing out tax money to cleanup/rebuild, and they survived quite well. Back then we didn't wait for the 'government' to bail us out. We rolled up our sleeves and helped ourselves and others.

The difference now, especially after years and years of NO being a LIEbural 'utopia' is that everyone just sat on their asses waiting for the 'government' to do something. The cold hard truth is that a lot of people were either too stupid or too damned lazy to move out when they had the chance. Compound that with the LOCAL LEADERS ineptness and inaction, and the results were predictable.

Everyone (especially the media) focused on NO and the problems there, but were strangely silent about the rest of the Gulf Coast. Why? Mississippi (who got hit harder because they were on the eastern side of the storm, and had a storm surge upwards of 40 FEET) didn't have a problem getting National Guard help because they had the Guard on standby and READY to go. They had a plan and followed it. No opportunity there to bash the 'racist, homphobe, bigot, EEEVVVIILLLLL' Bush. Hell, even in other Parishes in La there wasn't that big a problem because the people there aren't of the 'LIEbural mindset'. But then again, you didn't hear about THAT in the LMSM either.

The LOCAL and STATE leaders in La blew it, and in typical LIEbural fashion have been trying to blame it on anyone else other than themselves.

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Falstaff

We were in Biloxi too during Betsy, my father was stationed at Keesler, I remember it well, albiet with the help of pictures..I remember the Magnolia tree on our street falling down and my dads old Plymouth covered in salt spray.. It was a different place then, our nieghborhood was all white and we lived right off base, we dug ourselves out, and I dont think we ever say a National Guardsman, but then I think Betsy was a Cat 3 storm not a 4 or 5 right? I mean it is so damn easy for armchair critics today to view the devastation from a news chopper and report eyewitness accounts from the wave torn beaches and flooded streets. When we were younger we just sucked it up and pulled the garbage and crap out of the street and yards and went about our business setting things right. I know that poor people suffered, but they were no worse off then back in 1965 than they were now. Even then we saw New Orleans as a dismal and filthy place full of tourists and drunkards with police that routinely shook down people for money on the primace that they might get arrested if they did pay their fine on the street. Shoot I think they still had drive through daquieri shops when I was there in 2001. I for one wouldnt miss the old New Orleans. I say rebuild it inland where it is reasonably protected and away from the mistakes of the Army Corp of Engineers over the past 100 years.

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Woah... chilll man ... I WAS civil as well - I stated my viewpoint out in a civil manner - I didnt call childish names (but I got an insinuation of being some kind of dead beat in return)... I said it in as carefull of a mannor I could. (but Ill admit Ive been told I can have a 'sharp tung' when in 'passionate mode' - but I re-read what I said a few times (before I hit submit)...and I wont appologize for my statements as they were NOT attacks but obvious opinions)
Or please quote me where I wasn't civil? Where did I personally attack YOU??
I DID only state fact or MY OPINION- correct? (with words like: 'seems like' and such)

By the way... the '--------' was seperating comments aimed at your quote to ideas in general afterwards . But... Ill assume you DID understand this. (seemed obvious to me anyway)

This was the jist of my first draft...
Was that better? I thought my original post was most civil... but I'll let you choose the better wording..??

Additionally and personally, I equate reading your opinions that are VERY pro bush, and knowing who your employer is, to; listening to a career criminal on how to stop crime - he may know and even give good info - BUT he may also give false info too... we would never know what their motives would be... would we? (reminder: the above was NOT an accusation or an attack - just a comparison of logic.)

Ok... - thats the part that sounds like an insinuation that I; am evading taxes; am commiting un-employment insurance fraud; and evaded the draft or sumthin; AKA 'personal attack'

Thankfully Im not THAT touchy....

Paying taxes is not proof of loyalty to a anything - its more proof of fear of the IRS. And if you were drafted, your miltary service while appreciated, is moot as well.
btw - A medical condition prevented me from being accepted in the military (thankfully, I dunno wtf I was thinking at the time) - but I did try to join after H.S.

Your comments (and personal attacks??) here seem to be more proof of how touchy you are about bush as well as quick to make assumption/accusations (like at Nagin and Blanco - Guilty until proven Innocent mentality I guess.)

Your pride IS obvious (and mis-placed IMO) and my profession is moot (sole propietor of my own IT business - if you must know - And I DO pay taxes too.. but not out of loyalty to our gov't - but... partly out of knowing a society cant survive without em.. and mostly out of fear of repricussion from the IRS.)

Additionally, I vote and have donated my services and helping PEOPLE at a local charity on multiple occasions (Ill admit, it was NOT ALL out of my good nature it was for tax reasons - but its 'win-win' - a concept I truely embrace) Spent plenty of time at a VA hospitol and made many friends there as well. (I used to fix wheel chairs and help make prosthetic limbs there when I was in school - but we still keep in contact from time to time.)

Ok..how about you? how do YOU contribute - besides paying taxes, your past military service, making SW for Cradle to Grave and accusing others (like me, nagin and blanco) of un-proven charges and assumptions in the DH forums? (rhetorical... I dont really care - meant to make a point)

And to stand by and knowingly let it happen... for how long did you say????
1) your use of the word 'fondly' there is scarry
2) *Seems* like hypocracy to me as well as *maybe even* aiding and/or abedding to boot... ???

Me - I can, with clear conscience, plead ignorance of any corruption there (never been there). All I can do is watch over MY local gov't - How about you/your family tho.? Its up to your family in NO to watch over their local gov't - right? Do you despise THEIR hypocracy as well?? (oh, unless they arent there anymore of course - and if so, wheres this insight to N.O. politics comming from again? the media..., like everyone else?) Did they vote in these 'crooks' ?! Did they try to warn others of such corruption? Or just tell 'stories' about it for 'fond memories' later?
(if you didnt guess - that comment irked me)

AND last but NOT least...
OMFG - you actually think because I DIDNT serve in the miltary Im NOT allowed to have an opinion here.... OMFG!!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@$$#^#@$%^%&*%$&
THAT comment was COMPLETELY uncalled for...

AND AGAIN with the assumptions - you have no idea what I do or do not do, now do ya? NOPE! ...

AND I do make suggestions ('oust yur reps people' - has been said on more than one occasion... Maybe I should add - 'punch you neighbors for voting that nimrod in office' too - seems to be the mentality here.. ??)
(side note: what about if he was unaware of it hanging out? - if ya want to play 'what ifs' and add conditions.. and... having your home robbed - means you deserve it because you had it 'out in the open' as well then too- eh hem... Opportunity <> Justification - wheres yur logic man? and I sure hope this wasnt a cop making this comment - but this logic would help explain how bad areas get worse - blame crimes on victoms)

And yes Im full blooded USofA stock.

'Hi, Im Maddogg6 and I approved this message'
(in other words I have re-read it to make sure I was civil.)

Maddogg6

Curious.... how many people lived in NO when Betsey hit?
Id imagine the population has increased significantly since.

And how many people lost their homes? How many were minority/low income?
How many were shipped out of state afterwards?

Your point about all the focus on N.O. is a good one... I dont think I heard a word about the other areas.... prolly cuz they DID go smoothly (well - less scrwed up, how does anything go 'smoothly' with a cat 5 hurricane). ?? I gues sthat makes sense.

Pompey

It was an expression. I didn’t literally mean we should kick their ass.
I was making the point that living in an area battered by hurricanes every season below sea level is idiotic. I consider them morons for living there.

Its like throwing petrol on a fire and being surprised when it explodes.

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BWX

There are many people on DH that would be getting lots of PM's from moderators with warnings if they said that.

Falstaff

true statement...good one BMX

for anyone else that gives a fly rats fanny:


As for me, I can clearly see the youngsters have a different view and perspective on the world at large.
I am beginning to understand that 40 plus years of televsion coverage and TIME magazine cover stories have scrubbed the reality right off the issues at hand. Being a Republican has nothing to do with or how I feel about our current President. Regardless of your politics, unless you understand what role the President plays in our domestic or national affairs, your opinion isnt worth much. Get informed and stay informed, regardless of your opinions.
I will say this and again if necessary. If you dont pay taxes, you dont serve your country, and you dont vote then you dont have a right to an opinion. However I know that doesnt mean that people cant express them..LOL. In some countries, voting is a privilege not a right or it doesnt exist at all.
Unless someone has made sacrifices for their family, for their nation or are actively engaged in problem resolution, then their opinions warrant little merit.
That can be said for anyone from any country.
I say get off your ass and get out on the street and see the world through your own eyes, live it, love it or hate it, but see it, smell it, feel it and taste it necessary, but get involved. that includes me. I travel the world and always grateful to return to America as soon as I can.
Democracy is a beautiful thing, it is taken for granted and often maligned by our brothers and sisters across the world.
I stand on my soapbox and dare anyone who thinks they know a better way, then get out and make a difference to your fellow man, if not as a group, then one at a time.
but we Americans are selfish, and self centered bastards that believe the world ought to live the way we do and dance to our tune, and for that we suffer in the world arena.
I believe to be a true American, we should start with our own country and improve as much as we can, the human condtion for our fellow men and women, so that future generations have a chance, before we mortgage their futures away by burning fossil fuels too much, polluting our air, building on lands we promised to our future generations.
We pour billions into food and health programs for the world, fight wars on distant shores, while our children grow up in our cities expecting a check from the government every two weeks rather than creating their own future for themselves.
Keeping government out of our pockets should be our primary goal, keeping watch on our nieghbors, protecting our borders and our skys.
Exploring new frontiers and finding cleaner energy.
Raising our children in an atmosphere of love and mutual respect, and shield them from the media and the world that seeks to swallow them and steal their power.
Protect our investments, our families, and planfor the long term, rather than capitializing on the short term and spending whatever credibility we have earned over the past 250 years...
That is what it means to be an American..
These are my words...for what it is worth.
Unless you believe that you have the power to make a significant change for the good of our country and the world...
Well..
What the hell are you complaining about?

On a side note: I work for the DOD teaching doctors, nurses, combat medics to use software in the field and in the clinical enviornment to treat our wouned and ill and injured. This information goes into an electronic data base so that when they are medically retired or seperated from Active Duty they can recieve benefits based on the compensation they require because of the sacrifices they have made for our country. For me it is giving back to my fellow countryman, so I get to travel to Kuwait, IRAQ, BOSNIA and other nations that host our military. I see a great deal of suffering worldwide and I know for a fact that a little of democracy and freedom of speech and a meal everyday would go along way to improving their lives. It all started in 2002 when I worked for 14 orthopaedic surgeons and they were attempting to heal injured American Service men. Thier wheelchairs were fitted with small portable wireless computers or had docking stations so that they could surf the web..that is how I became fascinated with DH. Many of these young men and women needed a productive outlet and retraining, they became interested in the IT field and the tech world through this website and many others. They began to tinker with the computers themselves since the were crappy COMPAQs and DELLs. For awhile, we had four maybe five guys hooked up to the internet at the clinic during the day while they were waiting.
I mean its all about a dream right..
Why should people be stranded in a city on the coast of New Orleans where they are subjected to the whims of nature and the incompetence of their leaders, when they can rise above that with a few steps out of their world and into the world that we live in..
I mean rise up and move up out of their squalid existence and improve themselves..
I listen to so many young men and women who tell me that they didnt know what it meant to be a citizen of the United States until they lost something precious like a limb or their sight.
I was lucky,but so many people across our country have lost much, and so have our service men and women.
Its time we help them to do it themselves and provide the assistance and education they need to leave the wheelchairs and the poor neighborhoods and circumstance of their births.
Lets not mortgage away their futures and the futures of our children because we are all too selfish to see that the world is much bigger than what CNN/FOX/NBC/CBS and the bloody BBC and Al Jazerra show us every night.
People cannot grow unless they take responsibility for their future..
You want a rosy future for New Orleans, then be ready to pay taxes, because the way things are going, the residents of New Orleans are going to be tied down by welfare checks, disaster funding and an inability to move forward financially because of the situation that has been created by the local and state and even the federal government. Those people need to get the hell out of the way of the wrath of Hurricanes and the disease that they face now.
If I were there, my solution would be to get those people involved in something to rebuild what is left of their city, rezone everything and move the whole damn city to higher ground (if possible)

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Maddogg6

Ill respond to again.... YOU DO NOT I reapeat DO NOT need to serve the miltary (OR pay taxes OR even vote for that matter) to have your concerns/issues be heard or address or expresssed as an opinion... THE ONLY thing that removes that right is NOT your comments but loss of citizen status in our great nation.

Seem like a mis-understanding of how our rights are guarenteed with out such disclaimers or conditions.

I understand your point - if you didnt vote dont complain about the guy in office... They DO have a right to complain... but most likely wont be taken seriously by those your complaing to... but to say 'stfu' is impedance of their rights we are all guarenteed.

Most all the other stuff I complete agree upon (no matter how soft and cudly some of the ideals you mentioned seem form todays standpoint/political & ecconomic climate)
AMEN brother..... edit> but Il add to you list <end edit

Come on, you seem old/wise enough to understand change is NOT made by one person, but through cooperation - discussion and comprimise BY all - otherwise its a dictatorship.... edit> you may not like MY changes I decided on my own to make <end edit

Change comes about through discussion of ideas (some even very heated) - but sometimes is necessary for all of us to realize and ultimately respct some ones passion/ nay... conviction to certain ideas.

Ultimately... Falstaff - I DO have high reguard for what you do professionally and I WILL appoligize if you felt I was 'dis-crediting' you contributions to our society..but you WERE jumping to conclusions and discrediting MY contributions. And wrongfully so.

*extends hand as a peace offering*

Flexkill

Awwwww, you want me to say i'm sorry??? You want somone to send me a PM telling me not to do that??? He made a stupid statement and i called it as i saw it! get over it and yourself!

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Flexkill

This is even dumber than your last one!!! Please tell me you have more sense than this.

You think everyone that lives there is rich and just decided ....hey...i know...lets live in one of the most poor and highest crime rated areas in the good ole US of A?

I guess everyone who lives in New York are idiots because the terror threat is known to be higher there? That way if another terrorist strike hits...we can all point the finger and say "Idiots, I told ya so."

Not to mention all those "IDIOTS" in Florida huh?

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pr0digal jenius

flex...this is a political discussion....not the FWZ...take it down a notch please.


Argue about issues....not how dumb the guy on the other end of the dial tone is

Flexkill

There ya go BWX...happy? Funny though....I thought I was arguing about the issues...I didn't mean to call him stupid....just his comment.
even better i get called out for calling one guy an idiot...he gets told nothing for calling a whole state stupid!!!

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Pompey

Living in a hurricane prone area is not the problem, everywhere is at risk from some kind of disaster (I live on a fault line). You mitigate the risks normally; in this case they exacerbated them! You dont build flimsy apartment blocks on a fault line, and you don’t build a city below sea level in an area that is battered by hurricanes! On top of that, the development of the area devastated the floodplains making the hurricanes worse. Then there’s the poor maintenance of the levies and a decrepit system of pumps.

City planners and officials bear a lot of the blame for this; they shouldn’t have allowed the city to expand in such a way but people made the choice to live there. Poverty may have forced some to live in the low ling areas, but not everyone who had their homes destroyed was impoverished.


Where did I call a whole state stupid? The difference is I didn’t personally attack somebody.

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SFOSOK

I'm covered in mud and spiders and its like almost 4am, time to take a shower

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BWX

WTF? where? The last time I was covered in dirt and spiders I was taking out the gas tank in my old Honda Prelude.. Damn nest of daddy long legs and spiders and assorted bugs came flying out and were allover me. Hot day- sweaty and dirty too.. Not fun, especially cause I hate bugs.

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SFOSOK

They took advantage of my while I tried to jump past a wet spot where a sprinkler was broken on some random hill. It ended badly with me eating it pretty bad.

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Falstaff

wet spot?

TMI TMI TMI

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Flexkill

How about this??? Remember typing this?

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