Important Tax Reminder!!

BWX · Aug 27, 2006, 10:44 PM

Have you paid your taxes......??
12 million illegal aliens are depending on you!

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Just to clear it up... In the locked thread:

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/political-religious-debate/116548-important-tax-reminder.html

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

the point of this thread???

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Originally Posted by dj_stick

I don't really see any, so I'm closing this thread.

[COLOR=Red]BWX: feel free to post a more detailed thread if you wish[/COLOR], but to me this thread is just asking for flames

Did it get closed because it was portraying a conservative view or something? I guess I thought it was obvious what the topic was about.

The point is to discuss the fiscal damage being done by illegal aliens breaking our laws and crossing the border to the US illegally in droves every day.

This is a huge political issue right now ... in the USA. Huge.

I certainly didn't expect the thread to be closed without any discussion.. not after some of the topics I have seen here. Crazy stuff like how Bush is like Hitler for months on end.. and how the US attacked itself on 911, [http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthread.php?t=101371]The Christians are liars thread[/URL] -- I really didn't think discussing a real political topic would be a problem... seriously I did not predict that one. If you think it needs to go into the flame war zone.. I'll repost it in there.. but I would seriously question the reason. Maybe it's because you guys don't live here and pay taxes here and it doesn't affect you that is seems unimportant... I dunno. It is discussed daily here. Should it be censored on DH? I don't know, but I guess that's up to you guys.. I don't pay the bills for DH's server or make any rules, so I have no say.

Here's some more detail.. just a random article about the subject. There are countless articles with opinions and statistics on all sides of the debate, and what should be done about it.

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In 2003, according to the Arizona Department of Motor Vehicles, 57,600 cars were stolen in Phoenix. It is now the car-jacking capital of the world. Most were SUV’s and pickup trucks. At a conservative average of $15,000.00 per vehicle, owner losses exceeded $864 million. Insurance companies in the state suffered incredible claims from policyholders.

Worse, how would you like to walk out of your home or business to see your car gone? Imagine the hassle, violation of your hard work and disrespect for your well being.

Where did those vehicles go? Who stole them? Take a guess. Arizona is the temporary home of 500,000 illegal aliens. They cost Arizona taxpayers over $1 billion annually in services for schools, medical care, welfare anchor babies, loss of tax base and prisons. Illegals use those vehicles for smuggling more people and drugs from around the world into our country. When the vehicles are recovered, they are smashed-up wrecks in the desert. If not found, they have new owners south of the border as thieves drive the cars through the desert and into Mexico as easily as you drive your kids to soccer practice. THAT’s how porous our borders are!

The chilling costs of illegal migration reach like an octopus into every aspect of our lives. Illegal aliens displaced American workers at a cost in excess of $133 billion dollars last year according to Harvard Professor George Borjas. College and high school kids cannot find a summer job in yard care, landscape, fast food or service jobs. Why? Illegal aliens work them at a third the wage and often, under the table.

Not only do your kids not have jobs; you’re paying taxes for illegal aliens who are not paying taxes.

Annually, 75 percent of drugs arrive from Mexico at a net cost of $120 billion hard currency that leaves our country for good. In addition, our tax dollars pay $80 billion for the War on Drugs each year. It is a war that hasn’t been won in the past 30 years and drugs are as available today to your teenager as they were in 1970.

When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons—not to mention TV, movies, weight rooms and other entertainment—they enjoy while being incarcerated.

Is your blood boiling at this point? How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That’s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.

If you haven’t had a heart attack by now, you’ll need Tums after this figure. The average head of household illegal alien costs you $2,700.00 in welfare money over and above any taxes he or she pays in their meager paying jobs. With 15 to 20 million illegal aliens in the USA, that figures exceeds $20 billion of your tax dollars. (Source: Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004)

How about the $56 billion in pure cash illegal migrants sent to their home countries last year and every year? That’s after their kids enjoyed free education, free lunches and free medical care paid for by you. Mexico receives $15 billion annually from its worker drones. No wonder Vicente Fox sent us 9.2 million illegal alien Mexicans so far.

The lifetime net fiscal drain—taxes paid minus services used—for an adult immigrant is $55,200.00 according to Carrying Capacity Network. Who makes that money up? You do! Your work! Your taxes!

With a minimum of 15 million illegal aliens in our country, these figures are the tip of the iceberg. Average bilingual education is $1,200.00 per illegal alien student. Get this! We educate 1.1 million illegal alien children each year. Do the math! Ready for another anvil dropped on your toe fact? You paid $27 billion to provide forms, ballots, interpreters and brochures for languages other than English in 2003.

An estimated one-third to one-half illegal aliens work off the books. It costs $200 million to provide for emergency health care for illegal aliens in the Border States annually. California with over three million illegals paid $79 million, BUT four of their major LA hospitals bankrupted and shut their doors in 2004. Texas with 1.5 million illegal aliens paid $74 million in hospital care. Who is Texas? You, the taxpayer, that’s who! Because you, in your state, pay commensurate medical care according to your illegal alien population. Georgia ran a $63 million deficit for 64,000 unpaid doctor visits to their Grady Health Care system in 2002. In the same year, Georgia taxpayers paid $27 million for 11,188 anchor baby hospital births. Georgia taxpayers paid a whopping $242 million for educating illegal alien kids in 2003. What is it in your state?

What are the consequences? One in two adult African-Americans in New York is unemployed. African-American children’s poverty grew by 50 percent since 1999. Why? Their dads can’t find work.

It costs you, the taxpayer, $68 billion a year JUST to pay for the resettlement of legal immigrants.

Fellow Americans, we are $7.384 trillion in debt as of November 1, 2004. This year’s budget deficit exceeds $413 billion. Our trade deficit stands at $400 billion. Our consumer debt exceeds $2 trillion and our average credit card carries an $8,000.00 balance. Our U.S. government borrows $1.6 billion daily from foreign banks, just to stay afloat. Have you ever heard of the Titanic? We are taking on heavy immigration numbers while we’re being financially bled to death. Are we in trouble or what?

Who brings this fiscal nightmare into America? Take a guess. The majority of your Congress! President George W. Bush himself! Tom Ridge, who won’t guard our borders from this invasion, but gets his orders from Bush! Illegals are arriving at over 4,000 per night according to Time Magazine, September 12, 2004, "Who Left the Door Open?" I quote, "That total of illegal aliens flooding into the United States this year will total three million—enough to fill 22,000 737 Boeing airliners, or 60 flights every day for a year." Don’t you think with that many illegals crossing nightly that anyone with a brain would send troops to our border to protect from an invasion? Since we just re-elected the same Congress and president, you can expect more of the same.

You can count on your corporations devouring cheap labor as they send you to the unemployment lines. Additionally, they pay PAC groups to keep senators and congressmen in their back pocket. How do I know? Only 22 companies in 2003 were taken to court for hiring illegal aliens. None went to jail. However, it’s a $10,000.00 fine per illegal alien hired and up to five years in prison. You would think that would deter corporations. Not when they’ve bought off enforcement!

Who else figures in this grand scheme? Your governors and mayors who provide sanctuary laws for illegal aliens! Mayor Bloomberg of New York City.

Governor Baldacci of Maine! Governor Bill Owens of Colorado! Mayor Hickenlooper of Denver! Mayor of Los Angeles! Mayor of San Francisco! Mayor of Chicago! Mayor of Miami! How do I know? All those cities and dozens more give sanctuary to illegal aliens with Special Order 40.

Illegals remain in our country with exemption from arrest—yet, they are federal criminals!

Can you blame millions of desperate people for coming illegally to America? Hardly! Do you think they will stop coming since the world adds 80 million annually of poor, hopeless people from war torn, ravaged and impoverished Third World countries?

Not a chance! This is the land of free milk and honey. As long as our leaders allow the invasion and not enough Americans speak up, you can expect 12 million more illegal aliens in the next four years. Who pays for this invasion of your country? You do!

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Flexkill · Aug 27, 2006, 11:24 PM

I may be wrong here and flame me if you want....but you seem to like to start very touchy topics. You have some very strong opinions and you come across as a bigot!

of course ignoring your other genious idea "we should let New Orleans Rot"!!

You my friend need to think before you type.

I would love to here your sollution to the illegal alien problem. Why do I get the feeling it will be something like "kick out all the Mexicans"!!!

BWX · Aug 27, 2006, 11:55 PM

I have no problem with any race or group of people..

Gay people, different races of people than myself, etc.. I have friends of all kinds.

It is political incompetence I have a problem with. It is our own government I have a problem with - including Bush, surprise, surprise. I assure you I am the furthest thing from a bigot or racist. Actually this topic has nothing to do with race at all. it is about the economy.

I live in Buffalo.. I'm a white guy (like Conan O'Brien white), but guess what? I am the minority where I am, and I have no problem with it. I live in an apartment building where we happen to be the only white couple.. I don't even think about it.

The people across the hall are from India, above us are some kind of middle eastern I think.. not sure exactly. Other people upstairs are all Asian. Across the street there's a bunch of black people.. and white people.

Who cares.. We're all human. I judge people by the color of their teeth, not the color of their skin.. :-)

Pompey · Aug 28, 2006, 10:19 AM

dont illegal immigrants do all the jobs 'Americans wont do'?

But I agree with you...im fine with people immigrating, so long as its legal.

Every growing season we have a massive shortage of unskilled labour, there are plenty of PI people happy to come here and pick the fruit but of course nationalistic parties have created bullsh*t hype that they are 'stealing our jobs', so the government wont allow many in for fear of loosing votes. We pawn some of the jobs off to European tourists and call it a 'kiwi experience'

BTW do the Indians across from you stink out the block with cooking fumes? We have indian neighbours and several times a week the smell of curry wafts over

Sandok · Aug 28, 2006, 10:24 AM

Hey, not all indians are like that...

Anyways, even in CH its a problem cept well, yeah what do you expect? Get the problem under control... The goverment has got to be stricter. Whining won't change anything

Pompey · Aug 28, 2006, 10:42 AM

I know. I actually prefer Indian immigrants generally.

IMO there are generally three types of 'minorities':
-Those who dont integrate, create little enclaves and then complain they’re not accepted by mainstream society
-those that whine about being 'disadvantaged'
-those that work hard, and within one or two generations have reached living standards comparable with the white population.

Indians and Chinese in particular fit into the 3rd category. The Chinese do set up enclaves sometimes, but they work hard and make a contribution. In many cases, the work ethic of their children exceeds everyone else. I won’t name ethnicities that I think fit into the others or ill be labelled an even bigger racist.

Disclaimer: You may have noticed that I used the world generally a lot. That’s because these are gross generalisations, but none the less I think they are valid (generally lol)

BWX · Aug 28, 2006, 11:35 AM

yeah LOL- they cook a LOT ... like every freaking day.

It does smell like curry sometimes.. sometimes whatever it is makes me kind of hungry, and smells really good.. It's weird at like 5:30 AM they start cooking sometime.. but it smells like dinner time food.. I dunno whats up with that. Yeah they own a gas station too.. but they live here. This is a nice place but they could afford a lot more I am sure..

I think they must send a lot of money back home to India.. They are great neighbors though. It's a family of 3 /w a little girl.. I'm probably the annoying neighbor playing my video games with the subwoofer on at 4AM sometimes..

I'm not talking about them though.. they obviously came here legally- they own a business.. They can't speak English very well, but still.. I'm talking about the people swarming over the southern and northern border for that matter. The people that have n respect at all for out laws and exploit out corrupt government's weaknesses. It's the government's fault, not the ilegals... I'd probably do the same thing if I were them, it's up to out government to protect the borders first, and then set up legal immigration programs that actually work, and reward the people whop want to come here and integrate into the culture.

There's nothing racist about that at all.. thinking that is racist or bigoted is a naive view if the situation. (referring to post #2)

Falstaff · Aug 28, 2006, 11:51 AM

Illegal Aliens...
A huge draw on our infrastructure both in manpower and financially..
Border states have budgeted for them
Some cities in the U.S. have unofficially accepted them..
American industry has embraced them
La migra has given up trying to stop them. (so to speak)
They represent a full 45 percent of the blue collar population in the U.S. (in some states)
They own property, they own businesses, they go back and forth freely through our borders...
A great hypocracy exists on Capital Hill regarding the disposition of legislation concerning their welfare and legal rights.
They continue to come across our borders.
They cannot be stopped by any means at our disposal.
We need them
We prosecute them
We ignore them
We live with them.
Wiegh what they do for our economy against what they take out and you may find your comfort zone.
But the politicians in our government have a myopic view of their impact on our nation.

BWX · Aug 28, 2006, 12:22 PM

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We need them

What is there- 20 million of them? We don't need any more. Also, they are a huge drain on the hospital care industry and education system. The 5$ an hour jobs they have when sending most back to Mexico, does not pay for all the free health care and education they are getting. That's the legal tax payer picking up the tab.

Yes there are many complexities and many different circumstances, but overall, we are saturated and they are still coming on droves.... Not to integrate, to use and leave. Isn't it something like 10% of Mexico's entire economy is the illegal immigrant's money sent back to Mexico?

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American industry has embraced them

Yeah, paying less than minimum wage (illegally) with no benefits to the worker and not having to worry about those pesky labor laws... Great deal for them.

Sandok · Aug 28, 2006, 12:25 PM

Come on, American taxes are soooo low already. Be lucky ou ain't in Finland or Norway or Sweden (or even Canada), then you'd be really pissed.

And you are using such sterotypes. They don't ALL send $$$ back to mexico... You are a country BASED on immigrants... So refusing em is refusing what founded you.

BWX · Aug 28, 2006, 12:28 PM

Just lowers the standard of living and raises medical and educational costs as well as lowering the standard of care. We're taxed plenty.. taxed for every single thing you do.. (except drinking tea).. and it is going up every year.

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Originally Posted by Sandok

They don't ALL send $$$ back to mexico... .

I think it might be a lot more than you think. I will have to look up some statistics later.. (estimated of course) it is a lot though I know that.

Falstaff · Aug 28, 2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

What is there- 20 million of them? We don't need any more. Also, they are a huge drain on the hospital care industry and education system. The 5$ an hour jobs they have when sending most back to Mexico, does not pay for all the free health care and education they are getting. That's the legal tax payer picking up the tab.

Yes there are many complexities and many different circumstances, but overall, we are saturated and they are still coming on droves.... Not to integrate, to use and leave. Isn't it something like 10% of Mexico's entire economy is the illegal immigrant's money sent back to Mexico?

Yeah, paying less than minimum wage (illegally) with no benefits to the worker and not having to worry about those pesky labor laws... Great deal for them.

Illegal Aliens wouldnt be here unless we tolerated them in our blue collar work force.
Agriculture and the Poultry industry for example cannot function without them regardless of whether they pay a living wage or not.

Lets face it, they are here to stay..enough bitching already.
There isnt a damn thing we can do to get rid of them, they are not cock roaches or mice, they are human beings and they want a higher standard of living for the most part, they want the american dream and they are willing to break our laws to do it.

Zelig · Aug 28, 2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

Yeah, paying less than minimum wage (illegally) with no benefits to the worker and not having to worry about those pesky labor laws... Great deal for them.

This seems like one of the main problems to me, and it's sort of funny that it could be solved without targeting illegals at all, simply crack down on all businesses paying anybody less than minimum wage.

Falstaff · Aug 28, 2006, 04:11 PM

nah....too easy

Maddogg6 · Aug 28, 2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pompey

dont illegal immigrants do all the jobs 'Americans wont do'?

Well this is 'sorta' true... but they also take the jobs our young adults usually take for motivation to continue their education - or to earn $$$ while getting it.

Like - here... HVAC 'helpers' - typically considered 'journyman' positions are also taken by illegals by by the many privately owned co's taking advantage of their lower labor rates.

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And you are using such sterotypes. They don't ALL send $$ back to mexico... You are a country BASED on immigrants... So refusing em is refusing what founded you.

YES many do send $$ to mexico, maybe not ALL - but on TV (local news) , Ive seen a few admit it and I imagine its typical... It makes sense... so their family and friends (and I imagine someone successful here has many NEW friends in mexico - kinda like lottery winners here) can afford to be smuggled over as well (@ up to $5K per person - for those not wanting/able to make a run for it them selves) - which funds yet more illegal activity by smugglers (so its a problem x 2). Unless of course they already have brought their family and friends over already - then no, they wont send it to mexico.

Them taking jobs we did'nt want was their foot in the door and got the snow ball rolling. It wasnt viewed as a problem until the economy went to crap.

Sure we are all immigrants.... but, me paying taxes and them not IS the bottom line for most I talk to. That, and the side effect of additional abuse of our system like health care and what not - which NOW makes illegal immigration a 3 x problem.

But as that cuban born border patrol agent in that episode of '30 days' said...(parphrased) 'Take all your illegal buddies and go fix your own damn country - or wait in line like the law requires .... but dont haul your problems into MY country' (I was applauding, after expecting this cuban to be sympathetic...but was actually a bit militant about it)

AND (quoted from here) - another issue that bothers me btw...

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"Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not," she told the Daily Bulletin.

Who the hell wrote THIS policy?? NOT allowed to pursue? Speed limits - in a DESERT? -
AND - do ya think crooks are like 'dont go to fast hector, we may get a speeding ticket' - with 500lbs of pot in the back of their van and being 'chased' by agents? WTF!?

So if border patrol agents arent allowed - put customs agents in there - I bet they dont have such stupid policy. Or change this policy.

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This seems like one of the main problems to me, and it's sort of funny that it could be solved without targeting illegals at all, simply crack down on all businesses paying anybody less than minimum wage.

Thats a great idea - but why havent the INS been doing this all along - or the IRS?? Its becuase its WAY easier said than done... Like, what rescources will fund such programs, with us in such debt already??

Why its not THAT simple - MANY are using fake IDs - and the employer may or may not know it - it takes forensic investigations to expose this = lotsa resources and not just a simple show up a check ID's. please - were not that dumb here to overlook such an obvious answer.

So to sum it up... Illegal immigration has a slew of side effects:
1) smugglers get up to $5K/person - and funds yet more illegal activity
2) medical and social outreach program abuse.
3) these crack downs have caused (IMO - it makes sense anyway) a jump in ID theft, to make it harder to weed out illegals and so they get 'legit' jobs and pay someone elses (usually dead) Social security and taxes for them. Which we do know is happening on a rather large scale. (why hasnt the feds flagged THIS - too much money???)
4) if they DONT get work... what do ya suppose they do to survive... sell drugs?, steal? - ???

there is more too I suspect.

so its NOT just about our jobs either.... its a domino effect as well

Maddogg6 · Aug 28, 2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Illegal Aliens...
A huge draw on our infrastructure both in manpower and financially..
Border states have budgeted for them
Some cities in the U.S. have unofficially accepted them..
American industry has embraced them

All of the above.... Illegally - to me this is treasonous.

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La migra has given up trying to stop them. (so to speak)

Thank our feds for this - as well as our lobbiests. (ala big business)

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They represent a full 45 percent of the blue collar population in the U.S. (in some states)

How could this possibly have ANY accuracy - yet I cant say I have much doubt.
Id say in the city of LA its more than 45%
But Id like a source of that if you have one please... Im curious how this was estimated.

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They own property, they own businesses, they go back and forth freely through our borders...

Id say its is a relatively small % owning a 'legal' business (landscapers operating illegally was something that was craked down on - by citizens... and I never see em anymore.) - too many are still hanging out on major road intersections waiting for day work. Renting cheapo apts in gangbanger neighborhoods. And fear crossing back over unless they have good fake ID's.

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A great hypocracy exists on Capital Hill regarding the disposition of legislation concerning their welfare and legal rights.

Oust yur reps people....

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They cannot be stopped by any means at our disposal.

Sure they can...

Post signs at the mexico border
'If your caught crossing into the US in non-designated areas - you WILL be shot' in every langauge possible even in sign language and iconic picures so there NO mis-understand their fate if they get caught - fly those airplane banners with this warning as well - then give law enforcement, the Militia/minute men and border land owners the right to shot them if they evade/resist.

Most ONLY fear dehydration - and STILL risk it because they can carry water... but few will have access to bullet proof vests - and just MAYBE they'll be desperate enough to make much needed changes in their OWN country.

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We need them

I dis-agree - we dont need MORE for certain.

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We prosecute them

And waste more tax $$ on our justice and prison system - just to release them back into our neighborhoods.

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But the politicians in our government have a myopic view of their impact on our nation.

Myopic??? = evidense seems to indicate its more like their intent is to encouraging it to me..

hyperl1t3 · Oct 20, 2006, 06:55 AM

ok, wait... hold the phone... you're from Buffalo... NY... and you're talking about immigration? have you lived in any of the southwestern states before?

Aug 27, 2006, 11:55 PM	Thread Starter #3
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	I have no problem with any race or group of people.. Gay people, different races of people than myself, etc.. I have friends of all kinds. It is political incompetence I have a problem with. It is our own government I have a problem with - including Bush, surprise, surprise. I assure you I am the furthest thing from a bigot or racist. Actually this topic has nothing to do with race at all. it is about the economy. I live in Buffalo.. I'm a white guy (like Conan O'Brien white), but guess what? I am the minority where I am, and I have no problem with it. I live in an apartment building where we happen to be the only white couple.. I don't even think about it. The people across the hall are from India, above us are some kind of middle eastern I think.. not sure exactly. Other people upstairs are all Asian. Across the street there's a bunch of black people.. and white people. Who cares.. We're all human. I judge people by the color of their teeth, not the color of their skin.. :-) __________________

Aug 28, 2006, 10:19 AM	#4
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	dont illegal immigrants do all the jobs 'Americans wont do'? But I agree with you...im fine with people immigrating, so long as its legal. Every growing season we have a massive shortage of unskilled labour, there are plenty of PI people happy to come here and pick the fruit but of course nationalistic parties have created bullsh*t hype that they are 'stealing our jobs', so the government wont allow many in for fear of loosing votes. We pawn some of the jobs off to European tourists and call it a 'kiwi experience' BTW do the Indians across from you stink out the block with cooking fumes? We have indian neighbours and several times a week the smell of curry wafts over __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Aug 28, 2006, 10:42 AM	#6
Pompey DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 362 Rep Power: 0	I know. I actually prefer Indian immigrants generally. IMO there are generally three types of 'minorities': -Those who dont integrate, create little enclaves and then complain they’re not accepted by mainstream society -those that whine about being 'disadvantaged' -those that work hard, and within one or two generations have reached living standards comparable with the white population. Indians and Chinese in particular fit into the 3rd category. The Chinese do set up enclaves sometimes, but they work hard and make a contribution. In many cases, the work ethic of their children exceeds everyone else. I won’t name ethnicities that I think fit into the others or ill be labelled an even bigger racist. Disclaimer: You may have noticed that I used the world generally a lot. That’s because these are gross generalisations, but none the less I think they are valid (generally lol) __________________ One's inability to find an answer to a question does not imply that the question has no answer.

Aug 28, 2006, 11:35 AM	Thread Starter #7
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	yeah LOL- they cook a LOT ... like every freaking day. It does smell like curry sometimes.. sometimes whatever it is makes me kind of hungry, and smells really good.. It's weird at like 5:30 AM they start cooking sometime.. but it smells like dinner time food.. I dunno whats up with that. Yeah they own a gas station too.. but they live here. This is a nice place but they could afford a lot more I am sure.. I think they must send a lot of money back home to India.. They are great neighbors though. It's a family of 3 /w a little girl.. I'm probably the annoying neighbor playing my video games with the subwoofer on at 4AM sometimes.. I'm not talking about them though.. they obviously came here legally- they own a business.. They can't speak English very well, but still.. I'm talking about the people swarming over the southern and northern border for that matter. The people that have n respect at all for out laws and exploit out corrupt government's weaknesses. It's the government's fault, not the ilegals... I'd probably do the same thing if I were them, it's up to out government to protect the borders first, and then set up legal immigration programs that actually work, and reward the people whop want to come here and integrate into the culture. There's nothing racist about that at all.. thinking that is racist or bigoted is a naive view if the situation. (referring to post #2) __________________

Aug 28, 2006, 11:51 AM	#8
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Illegal Aliens... A huge draw on our infrastructure both in manpower and financially.. Border states have budgeted for them Some cities in the U.S. have unofficially accepted them.. American industry has embraced them La migra has given up trying to stop them. (so to speak) They represent a full 45 percent of the blue collar population in the U.S. (in some states) They own property, they own businesses, they go back and forth freely through our borders... A great hypocracy exists on Capital Hill regarding the disposition of legislation concerning their welfare and legal rights. They continue to come across our borders. They cannot be stopped by any means at our disposal. We need them We prosecute them We ignore them We live with them. Wiegh what they do for our economy against what they take out and you may find your comfort zone. But the politicians in our government have a myopic view of their impact on our nation. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Aug 27, 2006, 11:24 PM	#2
Flexkill DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashville, TN. Music City USA Posts: 285 Rep Power: 0	I may be wrong here and flame me if you want....but you seem to like to start very touchy topics. You have some very strong opinions and you come across as a bigot! of course ignoring your other genious idea "we should let New Orleans Rot"!! You my friend need to think before you type. I would love to here your sollution to the illegal alien problem. Why do I get the feeling it will be something like "kick out all the Mexicans"!!! __________________ Last edited by Flexkill; Aug 27, 2006 at 11:31 PM.

Aug 28, 2006, 10:24 AM	#5
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Hey, not all indians are like that... Anyways, even in CH its a problem cept well, yeah what do you expect? Get the problem under control... The goverment has got to be stricter. Whining won't change anything

Aug 28, 2006, 12:25 PM	#10
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Come on, American taxes are soooo low already. Be lucky ou ain't in Finland or Norway or Sweden (or even Canada), then you'd be really pissed. And you are using such sterotypes. They don't ALL send $$$ back to mexico... You are a country BASED on immigrants... So refusing em is refusing what founded you.

Aug 28, 2006, 04:11 PM	#14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	nah....too easy __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 20, 2006, 06:55 AM	#17
hyperl1t3 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 0	ok, wait... hold the phone... you're from Buffalo... NY... and you're talking about immigration? have you lived in any of the southwestern states before?