WTF... "Freedom Fries"?

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 15, 2003, 01:45 PM

Delete this made an error.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 15, 2003, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Therefore what, bluelight? The US had a different assessment of the world in the past, therefore its legitimacy is forever destroyed? You keep posting this like that link will make an argument for you. What is your point?

Anyway, the US support for Iraq over Iran obviously made sense, especially in the context of today. Wouldn't you agree that curbing Islamic fundementalism makes sense? At any rate, if you're evil, you can rest assured that the US will turn on you, even if we act like your friend in the short run.

No it is not irrelevant at all since so many Americans dont even know about that your government actually bred the "Green guy".

They do not know that "MR Don" who is yelling about boycott was one of the "Green guys" best friends for many years and that he continued being the" Green guys" best friend even when the "Green" guy got real mean and started using WMD´s.

When Mr Don is yelling about the French he is a complete hipocrite and should actually be removed from office in case you want to maintain credibility.

That is why posting about this is relevant.It will be relevant until he is either gone..or that Usa officially announces that they did...breed Saddam..and that they at the same time quit throwing accusations on other countries for doing exactly the same thing as they themselves have done.

Bluelight

BWX · Mar 15, 2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by bluelight
And Donald Rumsfield on the image above who is shaking hands with the green guy is not going to be boycotted of course.....no he`s clean as a sheep.......He can continue yelling about the French knowing he never sold a pistol to the green guy.IN fact he never sold anything at all to Saddam.

He just paid a vist at the green guys birthday...lots of candles on the cake and stuff....That can easily be seen they both look very happy...so i must be a birthday or something.....

Bluelight

That just shows our good hearted nature toward even the worst countries in the world. Now that he has become a threat to us all, (decades later) the relationship is different, Duh.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 15, 2003, 03:32 PM

I was being sarcastic.....Mr Don was in Bagdad so see to that The Green Guy was well equipped.In fact he saw to it that the the whole Iraq`i weapon industry at the time was running as smooth as possible.

Bluelight

BWX · Mar 15, 2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by bluelight
I was being sarcastic.....Mr Don was in Bagdad so see to that The Green Guy was well equipped.In fact he saw to it that the the whole Iraq`i weapon industry at the time was running as smooth as possible.

Bluelight

Can you tell us why? There was a reason for it, I believe.

raid517 · Mar 15, 2003, 04:41 PM

Mmm... Let me see... well before 1991 there was a healthy trade with Iraq. Then there was a 12 year gap in which certain individuals (who will rename not so anonymous) lost out heavily due to the trade embargo with the Iraqi regime... A quick and simple (dare I say dangerously simplistic) solution was therefore simply to remove Saddam so that business could continue as usual... It wouldn't have been practical just to lift sanctions and start trading with Saddam, as some of those with a love for very simple answers have suggested here, as it already looked bad that successive administrations had sought to do business with Saddam through the 80's and 90's. They didn't quite see his invasion of Kuwait coming - and were hugely embarrassed when it happened. What sort of reputation would the US have had, if kicking Saddam's ass they immediately began trading and arming him again. This would be the direct result of lifting the sanctions imposed against him, and clearly, since the American right no longer felt able to control him and that he might act in a similarly unpredictable way in the future, the only option for them if they wanted to continue to pursue their business interests in Iraq was to get rid of him. It is only the intervening 10 years where the Democrats and Clinton ruled the roost that prevented the total destruction of Saddam’s regime and the reestablishment of normal trade relations many years before an event like 9/11 was ever thought possible.

http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/...al/5025024.htm

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm (note the date and the signatures).

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We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/polit...documents.html (You may have to sign up to a New York Times account to read this).

This rather shows the lengths this govenment will go to to pusue its goals. When there is no evidence to back up your claims and the intelllgence community refuse to lend them validity either, 'why then, let's just invent it...'

In truth I don't think this 'neo-Conservative' movement have ever placed much stock in UN sanctions, they have only ever seen them as a hindrance to their ambitions in the region - and at the earliest opportunity when they regained power they put every plan they had dreamed of over the preceding 10 years immediately into practice. All of the arguments you are hearing now for war on Iraq (beyond the bogus association with world terrorism) were around a long time before they ever reached the American public's delicate ears.

What happened on September 11th was just the motivation these people needed to make their ideology a world reality. And what is more if we are sticking to schedule (which certainly seems to be the case) we are still in the very early stages of that plan.

Q

HsuGotaQ · Mar 16, 2003, 07:12 AM

Wow... interesting comments... I would have not believe that this simple post would have gone so far. Please do continue me lads. Your information is feeding my curiosity.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 16, 2003, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
It still aint gonna happen. You boycott French fries if you want to (who knows a lot of Americans would probably be better off for it anyway) as this is probably the only vaguely French product you are in any case likely to consume. The rest of America will continue to consume as they see fit and will go on making money just as they always have. Trade wars benefit no one. That is not how capitalism works. Your 2 to 1 thinking is pretty nonsensical because the various areas of trade you speak of are wholly unrelated. You try telling an engineering company that it has to stop exporting aircraft components to France, which is a contract maybe worth $30 million to them and upon which their survival and the jobs of their workforce depends that they must stop trading with the French because some fool thinks French perfume is somehow anti-American. When you have assesed the impact of this I then advise you take the impact of that $30 million contract and multiply it by a factor of 60 then you might get an idea of what sort of impact this would have on jobs and the American economy. I don't know why were even discussing it, because as I said this is simply not going to happen. Politics is one thing, but when you tell people that they have to loose out because of the stupid games politicians play, that's quite another. In any case I think an agreement was reached by most people here, including JavaFox of all people, that this was just a couple of nutcase canteen congressmen fishing for popularist votes. It might work for those who read tabloids, but anyone else should quickly be able to dismiss it for the publicity seeking foolishness that it is.

Q

No we will hurt them good to when Iraq fall thats over 3.5 Billion in contracts and that no mentioning thier oil contacts and the fact that they get the magority of thier oil there..... Fance is mad too they got them programed/setup to be good buyers over the years and will have to sart from scratch with thier new goverment... and the iraq people who will rember the frence who wanted to deny them thier freedom.. Funny enugh Iraq told the french to stand up for them or thy would drops conracts/oil ect... funny comment made on talk show... "saddam like mistresses wears a funny hat -hell he is french"

raid517 · Mar 16, 2003, 09:41 AM

Well its nice to see your still getting your political info from cartoons Neon. It cetainly explains how silly most of them are. So your point is that the US is going to indulge in an act of theft, invade Iraq abd then break a bunch of legally owned contracts the French government have with Iraq to develop their oil fields? You forget all France did was pump the oil and sell it. But guess who bought by far the biggest share of that oil, yep you've got it, the good old USA. Now all you will do is cut out the middle man. Yeah... very noble I'm sure...

Q

BWX · Mar 16, 2003, 02:45 PM

LOL

raid517 · Mar 16, 2003, 03:27 PM

Mmm well as I said toons certainly seem to work for some. I guess that's why Hitler used them so much when he was in power, principally because they served as the primary source of information for the many partially illiterate thugs who were the backbone of his regime. It seems that the old tricks are still the most effective.

Q

Mar 15, 2003, 01:45 PM	#91
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Delete this made an error.

Mar 15, 2003, 03:32 PM	#94
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	I was being sarcastic.....Mr Don was in Bagdad so see to that The Green Guy was well equipped.In fact he saw to it that the the whole Iraq`i weapon industry at the time was running as smooth as possible. Bluelight

Mar 16, 2003, 07:12 AM	Thread Starter #97
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	Wow... interesting comments... I would have not believe that this simple post would have gone so far. Please do continue me lads. Your information is feeding my curiosity.

Mar 16, 2003, 09:41 AM	#99
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well its nice to see your still getting your political info from cartoons Neon. It cetainly explains how silly most of them are. So your point is that the US is going to indulge in an act of theft, invade Iraq abd then break a bunch of legally owned contracts the French government have with Iraq to develop their oil fields? You forget all France did was pump the oil and sell it. But guess who bought by far the biggest share of that oil, yep you've got it, the good old USA. Now all you will do is cut out the middle man. Yeah... very noble I'm sure... Q

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BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	LOL

Mar 16, 2003, 03:27 PM	#101
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Mmm well as I said toons certainly seem to work for some. I guess that's why Hitler used them so much when he was in power, principally because they served as the primary source of information for the many partially illiterate thugs who were the backbone of his regime. It seems that the old tricks are still the most effective. Q