WTF... "Freedom Fries"?

HsuGotaQ · Mar 12, 2003, 12:29 AM

Now this is the most stupid thing the US congress could ever do. Why change french fries to freedom fries ? (more ) First off french fries is named after the cut of the fries, that being frenched. Also, french fries originated from Belgium. Gimme a break...

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Ya know, I'm proud to be an American, but this is really making things difficult.

dipstick · Mar 12, 2003, 12:39 AM

No comment

ToshiroOC · Mar 12, 2003, 12:51 AM

Anyone who doesn't buy Freedom Fries from this day forward is a pinko communist hippie bastard and must be shot

raid517 · Mar 12, 2003, 01:22 AM

This is a form of McCarthyism gone nuts. Boy it really shows how much people are looking for scapegoats over all this. Its estimated that something like 25% of the English Language is French in origin. What are they going to do, cut it all out?

Very nuts... and strabgely scary too...

Q

ToshiroOC · Mar 12, 2003, 01:24 AM

Hey raid, ^^^ is your 500th post

You going to get an avatar now?

HsuGotaQ · Mar 12, 2003, 01:42 AM

Merry 500 postings raid

Anyway, it is just completely absurd of a move from a part of an elected official. It just shows you how much some elected officials are as un-educated and do very very poor research. Reading the letter from www.house.gov just makes things look dumber. Either this is a bad publicity stunt from that particular elected official or Bush really is desperate for "a vote'o'confidence of the puabualic". The americans that are against this war should start standing up more firmly for crying out loud. This event is a mockery to the american government system.

JavaFox · Mar 12, 2003, 03:09 AM

Give me a break. "McCarthyism gone nuts"? Could I call racist jokes "Hitlerism gone nuts"?

This is obviously not serious news and has nothing to do with the Bush administration. Can't you people think of something better than to be shocked about?

raid517 · Mar 12, 2003, 03:43 AM

Erm... So the Republican party have nothing to do with the Bush administration? Hmm... I think someone ought to tell Mr Bush this...

I think the only think that is shocking is how dumb this is. Perhaps I should have said McCarthyism taken to new levels of absudity? I agree it isn't serious news, but it does show how low some people are prepared to stoop to appeal to the basest instincts of popularist opinion. If it might win a vote, it has to be good... Oh well, as you said JF, not worth giving any serious time to.

Q

raid517 · Mar 12, 2003, 03:47 AM

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Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Hey raid, ^^^ is your 500th post You going to get an avatar now?

Thanks TC, I have some very nice ativars, but have had a hard time getting any to fit the 64x64 restrictions. Oh well, at least I've earned my wings now!

Q

Falstaff · Mar 12, 2003, 03:54 AM

Clarify McCarthyism?...just sounds like lame marketing to me.

HsuGotaQ · Mar 12, 2003, 03:54 AM

It might not be that serious, but the fact still stands that no one in the republican camp did not think of mentionning to Ney that this act is just counter productive and that is just as disgracefull as name calling in kindergarden. It's a very small issue that is truly not that important compared to "us test that big boom somewhere and it goes boom", but it is a combination of many of these small "stupidities" that give the US the reputation that every other country sees, therefore giving the general public the sense that the US is a bunch of mumbling idiots. (this is just an example and I personnaly believe the opposite)

Frodo301 · Mar 12, 2003, 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
This is obviously not serious news and has nothing to do with the Bush administration. Can't you people think of something better than to be shocked about?

You would think the order came from the President himself instead of two outspoken in their dissatifaction with France republican lawmakers, one of which has control over what is placed on the cafeteria menus. I guess it's just a slow news day for liberals. Kind of silly though, you have to admit.

Falstaff · Mar 12, 2003, 04:01 AM

Come on people...what is so political about a fried product?

raid517 · Mar 12, 2003, 04:19 AM

Dunno... Does America import any potatos from France? Maybe they will be on the banned list next...

Q

Falstaff · Mar 12, 2003, 04:25 AM

but they sure have been pouring lots of wine down the gutters of american streets in california, ha ha..yes, I can see it now....Renaut cars will be vandalized, and french will no longer be spoken in college....right...I still recall from history just how much President Thomas Jefferson held the french government in contempt for spying in the lands of the Louisiana purchase....There is no real prescedent, just more idiocy...We americans after all are reactionary and irrational...ha ha...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 12, 2003, 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Anyone who doesn't buy Freedom Fries from this day forward is a pinko communist hippie bastard and must be shot

LOL.... funny....

I think its justifyed... people are starting to really dislike the french.... and people are stoping buying french goods/imports to protest them.... what better way to get a mans attention than to grab his wallet

vacationers are not going there ect...... I know i won't be buying any french wine anytime soon

Falstaff · Mar 12, 2003, 05:53 AM

there is no way in 'H' 'E' DOUBLE TOOTH PICKS, that we could possibly make a difference boycotting french products, ha ha...ha ha ......LOL

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 12, 2003, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
there is no way in 'H' 'E' DOUBLE TOOTH PICKS, that we could possibly make a difference boycotting french products, ha ha...ha ha ......LOL

Yes we CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mabe it will help people buy more MADE IN THE USA stuff. Not to meantion the biggest hit will be from the lost tourism.... consideing Iraq were the french alot of get thier oil and all there very expensive contracts will be void when the regime changes... the US will rember that.

I cant belive that charac (french leader) belives them vetoing our resolution will not hurt be help us relations .... NOT .....that man is loony

Falstaff · Mar 12, 2003, 06:09 AM

Americans are first and foremost consumers of any darn thing that they can stick into an oriface on their bodies, digest, and excrete, ha ha...they don't give a flying rats fanny about much else. I think the majority get a little charge out of watching some reationaries protest about French products though...can you recall Japanese car bashing in the 70's, and yet we bought boo coo japanese cars....nah...we could care less..

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 12, 2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
Americans are first and foremost consumers of any darn thing that they can stick into an oriface on their bodies, digest, and excrete, ha ha...they don't give a flying rats fanny about much else. I think the majority get a little charge out of watching some reationaries protest about French products though...can you recall Japanese car bashing in the 70's, and yet we bought boo coo japanese cars....nah...we could care less..

LOL .. your funny (but it's true)..... I think any effort should make at leaset a noticable change in our imports from them..I know alot people aren't doing it nor care... but if the govemet did it or fiqures sugestted it they would feal the burn...

Falstaff · Mar 12, 2003, 06:26 AM

I am sure that their are captians of american capitalism that might squash a few little guys, but hey, anyone that can cook worth a hoot knows how darn good french cooking really is....can you imagine the impact at the deli, the candy shop, the liquor store? I can't, ha ha, nah....americans just want to consume, regardless of where it came from, if it tastes good, feels good and gives you an enormous buzz and raises your social standing or your "cool points" we are going to get it....viva la consumer!!!!!

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 12, 2003, 06:45 AM

Inside the house of representatives....

A joke.....funny....fuynny...funny

If these type of things are done...on the street or similar by average Joe...then i can have at least some understanding....but when people at high levels who ought to have a brain...start doing this crap waltz.................

Well the "jokes" including portraying the French as Nazis has been going on for a while and it escalates all the time.

The way this is done....and it is deliberate...rersemblesd nothing else than the Nazi propaganda made by the Germans in the twenties and thirties about the jews.

What else can one expect from a nation that has a leader with a mission from God.

Well maybe i should propose that we start using American flags as carpets in our public restaurants..and that we start making comic images of Bush dressed up as Hitler?

Wouldnt that be funny??

I mean you would uncderstand that this would be a joke and nothing else??

Good that we agree on that.

Bluelight

raid517 · Mar 12, 2003, 07:29 AM

Talking about sanctions is it fair and just that only American companies are being awarded any contracts to help rebuild Iraq after the war is over? http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=386222 Isnâ€™t this just going to add to accusations of profiteering by US companies? Also if US companies are going to benefit, is it just that other partners would gain next to nothing from the venture? It seems it is moral and just for US companies to profit, but not for anyone else. So far the UK has not been awarded a single business or a single oil contract. I am not saying that this is all the British are interested in, it just makes it look bad that the US is apparently setting itself up as the only benefactor in any eventual resolution. Far better I would think to try to at least make it look like an international effort.

Q

Smoothdrive · Mar 12, 2003, 08:28 AM

I'm getting sick & tired of all the propaganda being used these days..the mass has never been more eager to believe a hype since WWII. ..can't believe anything you hear or read in the news anymore without doublechecking it for details yet most people do believe without checking.

Oh well..detailed news is not entertaining and even boring..so the commercial stations, newspapers and magazines stick to shouting a twisted headline and only tell the juicy details if any.

One madman with enough charisma could do well these days.

Why did they ever call it French fries anyway (i know somebody tried to explain..i did not understand the explanation)?

It is called "Patat" or "Friet" originally.

edit : not referring to your comment Raid

raid517 · Mar 12, 2003, 08:43 AM

Lol... Well OK, fair enough, I always try to carefully pick my sources. (If they aren't reliable even I doubt them). But these were just a couple of popularist congressmen fishing for a few extra votes. On the whole silly. I'm sure people like the NeonCowboy and ByteMe will be impressed, but most others just regard it for the silliness that it is. If you want to witch hunt, itâ€™s silly to pick on American's favourite food. I don't know why their called French fries in the UK they are just called 'chips' as in chipped potatoes. Seems easier to say anyway. I think they first came out in Belgium, but someone gave an answer that linked them with France too. It was too silly to even remember or think about. Still if we are going to talk about sanctions, maybe this would be a good place to do it. Though hopefully chips won't figure too big in the final outcome.

Q

Smoothdrive · Mar 12, 2003, 09:07 AM

While we are on the topic of snacks anyway..i saw the most amazing thing a few weeks back..we have a snack called "Frikandel" which is quite popular and you can get it at every corner here for about 1 Euro. Don't know why but we have many snack that only seem to be available in Holland..

Now the thing i saw was that there is a Ducth restaurant in New York selling this Frikandel for around 15 Euro

and the New Yorkers actually buy it thinking they are eating some exotic exclusive dish..man are they in for a shock when they visit Amsterdam

Vampyromaniac · Mar 12, 2003, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by HsuGotaQ
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I think a friend of mine summed it up best, when I showed him the link . . . : "what a bunch of nimrods."

FuNsTeR · Mar 12, 2003, 11:46 AM

works both ways remember ... how much of the USA economy would be affected if Europeans boycotted American goods .. quite a bit actually IMO

boycotting other countries goods for the reason that the country your buying from does not see eye to eye with yours is in short very childish in the least

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 12, 2003, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by raid517
Talking about sanctions is it fair and just that only American companies are being awarded any contracts to help rebuild Iraq after the war is over? http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=386222 Isnâ€™t this just going to add to accusations of profiteering by US companies? Also if US companies are going to benefit, is it just that other partners would gain next to nothing from the venture? It seems it is moral and just for US companies to profit, but not for anyone else. So far the UK has not been awarded a single business or a single oil contract. I am not saying that this is all the British are interested in, it just makes it look bad that the US is apparently setting itself up as the only benefactor in any eventual resolution. Far better I would think to try to at least make it look like an international effort.

Q

of course what are you thinking? no were not going to pay other countrys 900 million to rebuild Iraq .... we pay our own bussines to rebuild that is much more smart and better for our economy... I guess if another country wants to pay for it they could chose who the contracts go to...( I bet you it would be companies on thier own soil !!!!!!!!!!!!!) Well there not puts out the $$$ so they can deal with it... not to meantion the 100's or billions the war likely cost us ...........

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 12, 2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by raid517
Lol... Well OK, fair enough, I always try to carefully pick my sources. (If they aren't reliable even I doubt them). But these were just a couple of popularist congressmen fishing for a few extra votes. On the whole silly. I'm sure people like the NeonCowboy and ByteMe will be impressed, but most others just regard it for the silliness that it is. If you want to witch hunt, itâ€™s silly to pick on American's favourite food. I don't know why their called French fries in the UK they are just called 'chips' as in chipped potatoes. Seems easier to say anyway. I think they first came out in Belgium, but someone gave an answer that linked them with France too. It was too silly to even remember or think about. Still if we are going to talk about sanctions, maybe this would be a good place to do it. Though hopefully chips won't figure too big in the final outcome.

Q

well actually for your info it was started in the state of Texas and spread like wildfire when it hit the news.........

here is where french fries came from if you really want to know..........

'Do you want Belgian fries with that?" That's what you might be hearing at fast-food restaurants today if it hadn't been for World War I. The Belgians claim to have invented "French" fries, though no one knows for sure. The dish was first prepared as early as the 1700s and was simply called fried potatoes. Thomas Jefferson sampled them in Paris and brought the recipe home. At a White House dinner in 1802, the menu included "potatoes served in the French manner." But that's not how they got their name.

Their commercial success began in 1864, when Joseph Malines of London put "fish and chips" (French fries) on the menu. His success inspired others across Europe. But they weren't French fries until 1918 or so. American soldiers stationed in France gobbled up fried potatoes. They dubbed them "French fries" and liked them so much they wanted to have them at home, too.

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http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/durable/2000/05/02/p18s1.htm

Mar 12, 2003, 12:51 AM	#3
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Anyone who doesn't buy Freedom Fries from this day forward is a pinko communist hippie bastard and must be shot __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 12, 2003, 01:24 AM	#5
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Hey raid, ^^^ is your 500th post You going to get an avatar now? __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 12, 2003, 03:54 AM	#10
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	McCarthyism? Clarify McCarthyism?...just sounds like lame marketing to me.

Mar 12, 2003, 04:01 AM	#13
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Just lame marketing Come on people...what is so political about a fried product? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 12, 2003, 04:25 AM	#15
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I don't know but they sure have been pouring lots of wine down the gutters of american streets in california, ha ha..yes, I can see it now....Renaut cars will be vandalized, and french will no longer be spoken in college....right...I still recall from history just how much President Thomas Jefferson held the french government in contempt for spying in the lands of the Louisiana purchase....There is no real prescedent, just more idiocy...We americans after all are reactionary and irrational...ha ha... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 12, 2003, 12:39 AM	#2
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	No comment

Mar 12, 2003, 01:22 AM	#4
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	This is a form of McCarthyism gone nuts. Boy it really shows how much people are looking for scapegoats over all this. Its estimated that something like 25% of the English Language is French in origin. What are they going to do, cut it all out? Very nuts... and strabgely scary too... Q

Mar 12, 2003, 01:42 AM	Thread Starter #6
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	Merry 500 postings raid Anyway, it is just completely absurd of a move from a part of an elected official. It just shows you how much some elected officials are as un-educated and do very very poor research. Reading the letter from www.house.gov just makes things look dumber. Either this is a bad publicity stunt from that particular elected official or Bush really is desperate for "a vote'o'confidence of the puabualic". The americans that are against this war should start standing up more firmly for crying out loud. This event is a mockery to the american government system.

Mar 12, 2003, 03:09 AM	#7
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Give me a break. "McCarthyism gone nuts"? Could I call racist jokes "Hitlerism gone nuts"? This is obviously not serious news and has nothing to do with the Bush administration. Can't you people think of something better than to be shocked about?

Mar 12, 2003, 03:43 AM	#8
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Erm... So the Republican party have nothing to do with the Bush administration? Hmm... I think someone ought to tell Mr Bush this... I think the only think that is shocking is how dumb this is. Perhaps I should have said McCarthyism taken to new levels of absudity? I agree it isn't serious news, but it does show how low some people are prepared to stoop to appeal to the basest instincts of popularist opinion. If it might win a vote, it has to be good... Oh well, as you said JF, not worth giving any serious time to. Q

Mar 12, 2003, 03:54 AM	Thread Starter #11
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	It might not be that serious, but the fact still stands that no one in the republican camp did not think of mentionning to Ney that this act is just counter productive and that is just as disgracefull as name calling in kindergarden. It's a very small issue that is truly not that important compared to "us test that big boom somewhere and it goes boom", but it is a combination of many of these small "stupidities" that give the US the reputation that every other country sees, therefore giving the general public the sense that the US is a bunch of mumbling idiots. (this is just an example and I personnaly believe the opposite)

Mar 12, 2003, 04:19 AM	#14
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Dunno... Does America import any potatos from France? Maybe they will be on the banned list next... Q

Mar 12, 2003, 05:53 AM	#17
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Right....... there is no way in 'H' 'E' DOUBLE TOOTH PICKS, that we could possibly make a difference boycotting french products, ha ha...ha ha ......LOL __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 12, 2003, 06:09 AM	#19
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Nah.... Americans are first and foremost consumers of any darn thing that they can stick into an oriface on their bodies, digest, and excrete, ha ha...they don't give a flying rats fanny about much else. I think the majority get a little charge out of watching some reationaries protest about French products though...can you recall Japanese car bashing in the 70's, and yet we bought boo coo japanese cars....nah...we could care less.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 12, 2003, 06:26 AM	#21
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I might get the little guys I am sure that their are captians of american capitalism that might squash a few little guys, but hey, anyone that can cook worth a hoot knows how darn good french cooking really is....can you imagine the impact at the deli, the candy shop, the liquor store? I can't, ha ha, nah....americans just want to consume, regardless of where it came from, if it tastes good, feels good and gives you an enormous buzz and raises your social standing or your "cool points" we are going to get it....viva la consumer!!!!! __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 12, 2003, 06:45 AM	#22
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Inside the house of representatives.... A joke.....funny....fuynny...funny If these type of things are done...on the street or similar by average Joe...then i can have at least some understanding....but when people at high levels who ought to have a brain...start doing this crap waltz................. Well the "jokes" including portraying the French as Nazis has been going on for a while and it escalates all the time. The way this is done....and it is deliberate...rersemblesd nothing else than the Nazi propaganda made by the Germans in the twenties and thirties about the jews. What else can one expect from a nation that has a leader with a mission from God. Well maybe i should propose that we start using American flags as carpets in our public restaurants..and that we start making comic images of Bush dressed up as Hitler? Wouldnt that be funny?? I mean you would uncderstand that this would be a joke and nothing else?? Good that we agree on that. Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Mar 12, 2003 at 07:07 AM.

Mar 12, 2003, 07:29 AM	#23
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Talking about sanctions is it fair and just that only American companies are being awarded any contracts to help rebuild Iraq after the war is over? http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=386222 Isnâ€™t this just going to add to accusations of profiteering by US companies? Also if US companies are going to benefit, is it just that other partners would gain next to nothing from the venture? It seems it is moral and just for US companies to profit, but not for anyone else. So far the UK has not been awarded a single business or a single oil contract. I am not saying that this is all the British are interested in, it just makes it look bad that the US is apparently setting itself up as the only benefactor in any eventual resolution. Far better I would think to try to at least make it look like an international effort. Q

Mar 12, 2003, 08:28 AM	#24
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	I'm getting sick & tired of all the propaganda being used these days..the mass has never been more eager to believe a hype since WWII. ..can't believe anything you hear or read in the news anymore without doublechecking it for details yet most people do believe without checking. Oh well..detailed news is not entertaining and even boring..so the commercial stations, newspapers and magazines stick to shouting a twisted headline and only tell the juicy details if any. One madman with enough charisma could do well these days. Why did they ever call it French fries anyway (i know somebody tried to explain..i did not understand the explanation)? It is called "Patat" or "Friet" originally. edit : not referring to your comment Raid __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Mar 12, 2003, 08:43 AM	#25
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Lol... Well OK, fair enough, I always try to carefully pick my sources. (If they aren't reliable even I doubt them). But these were just a couple of popularist congressmen fishing for a few extra votes. On the whole silly. I'm sure people like the NeonCowboy and ByteMe will be impressed, but most others just regard it for the silliness that it is. If you want to witch hunt, itâ€™s silly to pick on American's favourite food. I don't know why their called French fries in the UK they are just called 'chips' as in chipped potatoes. Seems easier to say anyway. I think they first came out in Belgium, but someone gave an answer that linked them with France too. It was too silly to even remember or think about. Still if we are going to talk about sanctions, maybe this would be a good place to do it. Though hopefully chips won't figure too big in the final outcome. Q

Mar 12, 2003, 09:07 AM	#26
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	While we are on the topic of snacks anyway..i saw the most amazing thing a few weeks back..we have a snack called "Frikandel" which is quite popular and you can get it at every corner here for about 1 Euro. Don't know why but we have many snack that only seem to be available in Holland.. Now the thing i saw was that there is a Ducth restaurant in New York selling this Frikandel for around 15 Euro and the New Yorkers actually buy it thinking they are eating some exotic exclusive dish..man are they in for a shock when they visit Amsterdam __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Mar 12, 2003, 11:46 AM	#28
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	works both ways remember ... how much of the USA economy would be affected if Europeans boycotted American goods .. quite a bit actually IMO boycotting other countries goods for the reason that the country your buying from does not see eye to eye with yours is in short very childish in the least __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"