jp306

Some of you will like this and some will not.

http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=23917

temeteus82

The Bible and some other religious books has nothing to do with history ...
At least that's my point of view.

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Dowaco

I agree with everything that was presented, but disagree with the way it was presented. I would rather listen to the scientist guy speak rationally about the subject than Penn and Teller's disrespectful approach.

It's OK to debunk religeous ideas, but stomping on the Bible in a mud pit is going a little too far. I understand they did it for shock value, but considering how some other religions forbid descecration of their holy objects (for example) by yelling jihad if a cartoon of Mohammad is shown, Christians are pretty tolerant.

Even if we don't agree with what people believe, we should still respect their right to believe what they wish. It's equivalent to having an arguement on a serious subject and calling the other person a moron. Argue the facts and leave the mean spiritedness at the door.

Pluvious

Amen.

Good video..

IMHO, there is more evidence of UFO's then God.

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Dark Lord

i knew there was a reason i loved penn and teller so much

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SFOSOK

Hey looks its me, and I still believe in God.

And I find it hard to smile after watching this video and reading all of your replies

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OmegaRED

Some day I'm gonna have to pencil in some time to read fiction like Harry Potter and The Bible.

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jp306

I have to say that I thought I would get attacked when I posted this, but I'm pleased that I wasn't.

SFOSOK

Naw, the only religious assholes on these forums don't believe in God or very much at all

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Randomletters

Love thy E-Neighbor Sfosok

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jp306

Yea...I'm just another fool...Like the others in this Video...
http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=7657

Necrosis

Science is it's own religion even has it's own saints.

SFOSOK

yep, pretty much my point.

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OmegaRED

If science is like religion then I pray to the Mythbusters.

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Pompey

Im actually planning to read the old and new testament over the holidays, now I just need to get a hold of copies of them.

None of my religious friends will give me a copy, and I would feel guilty getting one from my religious grandma, knowing that she would get very distressed and "disappointed" when she found out my motives.

Im sure if I walk into a church they will give me copies if I pretend im thinking of converting, I wouldn’t feel guilty lying to them.

But before all that, I need to figure our which version(s) of the truth to get

Then I can desecrate it with highlighters and post-it notes

I think hot pink would me most appropriate, don’t you?

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SFOSOK

You sound very proud of yourself. All I can do is smile at those like you and hope things work out for you in the end. Your more than welcome to have one of my copies of the Holy Bible.


You can desecrate or do what ever you like to what ever book you like. Is your objective to make someone who believes a certain thing angry? Because I know personally I have nothing but compasion these days when speaking about religion keeping in mind those who do not believe the same as me and respecting what they believe.




Pompey, I hope you find what ever your looking for. If its some sort of reaction from your statement I don't believe you will get it here.

I will pray for you.

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OmegaRED

If you're going to find inaccuracies in the Bible for your own personal use then have at it but if it's to attack anothers beliefs that's just wrong.

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Pompey

I wasnt looking for a reaction, and its not to attack others beleifs.

Im always hearing conflicting accounts of what the bible says. People are constantly using it (or warping it) to justify their own prejudices and attitudes, and I want to read it (or them) myself to see what it actualy does and dosent say. And in addition to the bible, I plan to read biographys and stuff about the various authors of the different parts of the bible to understand the contect each chapter was written in. I will hopefuly do some reading on people like emperor Constantine if I have time too.

I was kind of joking in the last 3 sentacnes, but I am genuinly having trouble figuring out which versions to get. But I am planning to highlight verses that I think are significant.

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Maddogg6

Consider this....
if your being cheated, and someone points out someone cheating you - is the intent meant to belittle to 'cheated' - or to stop the cheater? No one usually cares in this case right?

I didn't see it so much as disrespectful - but as opposing opinion backed it up with facts. Their 'tone' was no different than when they debunk anyone(thing) else. (Actually they seems to have toned it down for that one - watch the one about psychics... )

Now...
Killing people in the name of god/religion...
Guilting grandma out of her estate to buy her way into heaven...
Manipulating people, or using your position for personal / political gains or sexual gratification....

- is SOOOO much more disrespectful - imo. All made possible by 'religion', and the tool of choice is their interpreted text from the bible, that not only helps facilitate the above but offers their justification for doing so.

But it isn't the 'religion' that abuses, its abusive people that use religion to abuse. The bible, in this instance, is just a tool. But is only a tool - if one takes the bible too literally - which was part of the message I got from it.

Matth

I'm sticking with apathetic agnosticism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathetic_agnostic

All religions twist the unprovable accounts of whatever book they take as their gospel to suit the ends of those who declare themselves to be arbiters of such "truths", then twist their gullible followers that same way.

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Sandok

Yeah... The difference in between religion and science is that in one, everything can be proven... The other, you must close your eyes and believe.

And is Einstein a saint? I love it when people lose arguments and just try to show that science is a religion in itself... Conspiracy!

Necrosis

Um everything in science CAN'T be proven most of it is theory. It's a matter of mathematics but funny enough that all breaks down at a the center of a black hole. I simply stated the belief system is much the same. When science can explain everything (plus do everything) then it'll have a lot more ground to stand on. Mathematically speaking I can disappear right now, and reappear on Mars. However, is that going to happen, nope.

Um he believed in God. You love what now? Yeah I figured as much...

jp306

sci·ence
1.a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2.systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3.any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4.systematized knowledge in general.
5.knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6.a particular branch of knowledge.
7.skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

You're right everything in science can't be proven, but alot of it can be and it is based from using facts. Unlike blind faith or believing in something with no proof or fact at all backing it up.

Necrosis

Indeed but most science is too advanced for laymen to prove it for themselves. So you indeed go the same blind faith since you're incapable to prove it yourself. You do it because some one told you to since they can prove it, and remember quite a few theories have been proven wrong. Just look at String theory for example.

I'm not attacking science saying it's wrong but the point of science isn't to prove if a god exits or not. It's just how "things work". Or at least a limited of view of how they are supposed to with our limited understanding of physics. Either way you can't prove a god exists nor can you prove one does not. Science at it's basic form doesn't care about any religion.

My point is those who do believe use it as their doctrine to prove religion is false, when it does no such thing. It's all based on theory, and formulas to prove if one or more solutions is possible. Just like I said before when every thing can be explained then it will hold more ground for me. For now it's just a manual on how the universe works, not who made it.

SFOSOK

If everything can be proven, then prove it...

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Maddogg6

That sounds like your volunteering to check facts... ??

SFOSOK

I'm not the one stating that everything can be proven now am I?

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Maddogg6

And if they did - without fact checking - how would you know if they 'proved' anything?

Its actually a point I want to make....

Many people will believe religious AND scientific non-sense solely because;
1) they want to believe it and
2) not willing to investigate/gain needed knowledge to understand reasoning or 'evidence' behind claims supporting the non-sense.

Its that part of people that make them susceptible to 'cons'. Its that part of human nature 'abusers' embrace and exploit.

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Additionally - in science - things are looked at as '% of likelyhood' - and unless its an idea like - combustables and sparks = flames - few would DIE over a scientific idea - unless its an experiment where at least some good (like knowledge) can come out of.
Now compare that to how many died in the name of god - and what good came from it? - lower world population is all that comes to mind?

Example - In science you'll hear something like:
'This appears to be evidence that supports.......
In religion - you'll hear more like:
'God told me....' or 'The (insert religious text here) says....' or 'Questioning god is blasphemous and you'll burn in hell for it'

Sandok

So gravity and the earth being a plent and not the center of the universe also wrong? Dude, a theory isn't a WILD guess that sounds plausible.

It's a caclulation of scientific probabilities that try to come closest to 1. If the probibility that God created the universe is 0.0000001 and that the bigbang is 0.2, then one theory is more PLAUSIBLE than the other.

But you know, the moment you believe in faith, it's as if you're talking to a deaf man... No point in even arguing the least bit, since no proof of ANY sort will make you guys change your tune.

Maddogg6

Thats not entirely true - it just takes a LONG time for the scientific evidence that debunks religious notions to become 'common knowledge'.
We still hear about greek and roman gods to this day - but now its called 'mythology' but WAS theology at one point in time.

It seems there was a lesson there that many people refuse to learn from.