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BWX · Apr 18, 2003, 05:28 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
"Our Nation's cause has always been larger than our Nation's defense. We fight, as we always fight, for a just peace—a peace that favors liberty. We will defend the peace against the threats from terrorists and tyrants. We will preserve the peace by building good relations among the great powers. And we will extend the peace by encouraging free and open societies on every continent."

The United States possesses unprecedented— and unequaled—strength and influence in the world. Sustained by faith in the principles of liberty, and the value of a free society, this position comes with unparalleled responsibilities, obligations, and opportunity. The great strength of this nation must be used to promote a balance of power that favors freedom.

For most of the twentieth century, the world was divided by a great struggle over ideas: destructive totalitarian visions versus freedom and equality.

That great struggle is over. The militant visions of class, nation, and race which promised utopia and delivered misery have been defeated and discredited. America is now threatened less by conquering states than we are by failing ones. We are menaced less by fleets and armies than by catastrophic technologies in the hands of the embittered few.We must defeat these threats to our Nation, allies, and friends.

This is also a time of opportunity for America. We will work to translate this moment of influence into decades of peace, prosperity, and liberty. The U.S. national security strategy will be based on a distinctly American internationalism that reflects the union of our values and our national interests. The aim of this strategy is to help make the world not just safer but better. Our goals on the path to progress are clear: political and economic freedom, peaceful relations with other states, and respect for human dignity.

And this path is not America’s alone. It is open to all. To achieve these goals, the United States will:

champion aspirations for human dignity;
strengthen alliances to defeat global terrorism and work to prevent attacks against us and our friends;
work with others to defuse regional conflicts;
prevent our enemies from threatening us, our allies, and our friends, with weapons of mass destruction;
ignite a new era of global economic growth through free markets and free trade;
expand the circle of development by opening societies and building the infrastructure of democracy;
develop agendas for cooperative action with other main centers of global power; and
transform America’s national security institutions to meet the challenges and opportunities of the twenty-first century.

President Bush, West Point, New York June 1, 2002????

Falstaff · Apr 18, 2003, 05:42 AM

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America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them. And every immigrant, by embracing these ideals, makes our country more, not less, American.

My favorite president so far.....George W. Bush...

Bill Clinton...most misguided president so far...

BWX · Apr 18, 2003, 06:01 AM

Who wrote this?

"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be"

BWX · Apr 18, 2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. Every child must be taught these principles. Every citizen must uphold them. And every immigrant, by embracing these ideals, makes our country more, not less, American.

Inaugural Address of George W. Bush

Falstaff · Apr 18, 2003, 07:13 AM

are you a jeffersonian, ha ha.....

~~bluelight~~ · Apr 18, 2003, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
I have not alienated him-- He sais "bye BWX" every time I come down hard on his Anti-Americanism. He is the one that runs away after insulting my country and president- I don't take back anything I said. I just think it's ridiculous that I have to hear people bash and insult my country every day, and I will call people out on it- that's all.

I agree with nothing after the comma begining with the letter B- and if one doesn't want to be provoked, one should not batantly insult other peoples' government and country.

No i have said tnat a couple of times when you insulted me personally.

For a while i thoufght you had understood the difference beyeen personal insults and discussing a topic from different wiews

Yesterday i realised you had not and that you never will.

You are the type that cant discuss anything without personally insulting the one you are talking with.

It happens to me occasionalklty that i insult people but....im man enough to excuse myself.

You arent.

Bluelight

BWX · Apr 18, 2003, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
are you a jeffersonian, ha ha.....

No, what if I was? Define Jeffersonian...

Oh, and blulight I am ignoring you because of your anti-Americanism and your refusal to acknowledge plain facts displayed for you.

I am sure whatever you said was Anti-American anyway, it is 99% of the time..

as you say:
Bye bluelight
Boo Hoo

Falstaff · Apr 18, 2003, 02:39 PM

Thomas Jefferson was an enigma, he was argueably a renaissance man, because of his influences during his early years of education and travel. he was opinionated, pompous and oppurtunistic, we ignore his faults and perhaps focus on his accomplishments. he was however not close minded, and welcomed opinions from others, even the french...ha ha...but he never agreed with most of them. (influences). He simply reinvented what he considered valid, politically and scientifically and put his name on it. but that is of course a groos generalization. It might be easier of course to compare our Pres. Bush with leaders of the past, it would make an interesting thread...and ignoring Bluelight is a mistake of course, because he just might be just as opinionated as you and as intractable shouldn't exclude him from a friendly debate...unless of course he hurt your feelings...

~~SH4President~~ · Apr 18, 2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Can't argue with that--

*PS- to SH4President-- I still can't hear you and don't think it is worth hearing you. You are the only person on my ignore list, and will stay there until you eventually go away like Saddam has. know I'll be around much longer than you.

Falstaff · Apr 19, 2003, 12:32 AM

I know you speak english, and understand the text....somehow, you will develope your voice...somehow you will pull the cerebral and cranial and parietal portions of your skull of an oriface and say something, ha ha.

BWX · Apr 19, 2003, 09:28 AM

Kinda boring now, I liked fighting an unfightable fight better-- oh well,

<--------------------I need about 2 solid days of that now anyways, lest I turn into a vampire. Or worse a 540043 follower-

I need to go reinstall windows, yay--

~~SH4President~~ · Apr 19, 2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
I know you speak english, and understand the text....somehow, you will develope your voice...somehow you will pull the cerebral and cranial and parietal portions of your skull of an oriface and say something, ha ha.

~~SH4President~~ · Apr 19, 2003, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Kinda boring now, I liked fighting an unfightable fight better-- oh well, <--------------------I need about 2 solid days of that now anyways, lest I turn into a vampire. Or worse a 540043 follower- I need to go reinstall windows, yay--

PoopyTheJ · Apr 20, 2003, 11:53 PM

Why all these Globalist candidates for president? Why not a real American and patriot? Like Ron Paul? Harry Brown? Someone who actually cares about this country, not some f-ing crook out to shaft the entire country?

Falstaff · Apr 21, 2003, 01:14 AM

The Ron Paul
FREEDOM PRINCIPLES
Rights belong to individuals, not groups.

Property should be owned by people, not government.

All voluntary associations should be permissionable -- economic and social.

The government's monetary role is to maintain the integrity of the monetary unit, not participate in fraud.

Government exists to protect liberty, not to redistribute wealth or to grant special privileges.

The lives and actions of people are their own responsibility, not the government's.

( you mean this Ron Paul, 14th district...republican from texas? hmmmmmmmm

PoopyTheJ · Apr 21, 2003, 02:33 AM

That Ron Paul. About the only guy in Congress today who gives a damn about the principles this country was founded on. Constitution it means something to Rep. Paul, Not just a set of guidelines to be thrown out the window when they are inconvenient.

Falstaff · Apr 21, 2003, 03:41 AM

even though he clearly comes from Texas....what has he done for the U.S.? only asking because I am not familiar with him at all, except in a few pro republican mags....I don't care for libertarian though...

PoopyTheJ · Apr 21, 2003, 03:57 AM

He's the only guy in congress fighting for constitutional reform in this country, Gold backed currency put out by the treasury, getting the US out of the UN, getting Israel the hell out of congress, declaring WAR rather than a police action, repeal of the misnamed Patriot Act, the homeland (in)security bill. Ron Paul is the only guy who's done anything FOR the US. All the rest of em pull their shit ON the US.

Falstaff · Apr 21, 2003, 04:18 AM

Oh yeh, you mean the party line right...gonna do some research, this isn't a wacko is he? Do you think he and Lieberman would get along? sounds wiierd but you never know when Dashole will surface and embrace a republican,

going here right now....http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/welcome.htm

PoopyTheJ · Apr 21, 2003, 05:27 AM

I don't know whats a wacko? People who get all their news from the major Media in my book are wackos, so I guess wacko is subjective.

Falstaff · Apr 21, 2003, 08:17 AM

taking political ideology to exstremes, nothing more..

Apr 18, 2003, 07:13 AM	#155
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Thomas Jefferson are you a jeffersonian, ha ha.....

Apr 18, 2003, 02:39 PM	#158
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Jeffersononians Thomas Jefferson was an enigma, he was argueably a renaissance man, because of his influences during his early years of education and travel. he was opinionated, pompous and oppurtunistic, we ignore his faults and perhaps focus on his accomplishments. he was however not close minded, and welcomed opinions from others, even the french...ha ha...but he never agreed with most of them. (influences). He simply reinvented what he considered valid, politically and scientifically and put his name on it. but that is of course a groos generalization. It might be easier of course to compare our Pres. Bush with leaders of the past, it would make an interesting thread...and ignoring Bluelight is a mistake of course, because he just might be just as opinionated as you and as intractable shouldn't exclude him from a friendly debate...unless of course he hurt your feelings... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 19, 2003, 12:32 AM	#160
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Saddam I know you speak english, and understand the text....somehow, you will develope your voice...somehow you will pull the cerebral and cranial and parietal portions of your skull of an oriface and say something, ha ha. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 19, 2003, 09:28 AM	#161
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Kinda boring now, I liked fighting an unfightable fight better-- oh well, <--------------------I need about 2 solid days of that now anyways, lest I turn into a vampire. Or worse a 540043 follower- I need to go reinstall windows, yay-- __________________

Apr 21, 2003, 01:14 AM	#165
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Ron Paul? The Ron Paul FREEDOM PRINCIPLES Rights belong to individuals, not groups. Property should be owned by people, not government. All voluntary associations should be permissionable -- economic and social. The government's monetary role is to maintain the integrity of the monetary unit, not participate in fraud. Government exists to protect liberty, not to redistribute wealth or to grant special privileges. The lives and actions of people are their own responsibility, not the government's. ( you mean this Ron Paul, 14th district...republican from texas? hmmmmmmmm __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 18, 2003, 06:01 AM	#153
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Who wrote this? "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be"

Apr 20, 2003, 11:53 PM	#164
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	Why all these Globalist candidates for president? Why not a real American and patriot? Like Ron Paul? Harry Brown? Someone who actually cares about this country, not some f-ing crook out to shaft the entire country?

Apr 21, 2003, 02:33 AM	#166
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	That Ron Paul. About the only guy in Congress today who gives a damn about the principles this country was founded on. Constitution it means something to Rep. Paul, Not just a set of guidelines to be thrown out the window when they are inconvenient.

Apr 21, 2003, 03:41 AM	#167
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I have never herad of this guy, even though he clearly comes from Texas....what has he done for the U.S.? only asking because I am not familiar with him at all, except in a few pro republican mags....I don't care for libertarian though... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 21, 2003, 03:57 AM	#168
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	He's the only guy in congress fighting for constitutional reform in this country, Gold backed currency put out by the treasury, getting the US out of the UN, getting Israel the hell out of congress, declaring WAR rather than a police action, repeal of the misnamed Patriot Act, the homeland (in)security bill. Ron Paul is the only guy who's done anything FOR the US. All the rest of em pull their shit ON the US.

Apr 21, 2003, 04:18 AM	#169
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	The bus? Oh yeh, you mean the party line right...gonna do some research, this isn't a wacko is he? Do you think he and Lieberman would get along? sounds wiierd but you never know when Dashole will surface and embrace a republican, going here right now....http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/welcome.htm __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 21, 2003, 05:27 AM	#170
PoopyTheJ DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,588 Rep Power: 66	I don't know whats a wacko? People who get all their news from the major Media in my book are wackos, so I guess wacko is subjective.

Apr 21, 2003, 08:17 AM	#171
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I mean taking political ideology to exstremes, nothing more.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."