Pick-A-Prez

Vampyromaniac · Mar 22, 2003, 02:38 AM

I was curious if anyone thinks someone else would be doing a better job

calling the shots in the White House on the Iraq situation

and everything else the US needs to deal with.

Dom · Mar 22, 2003, 03:12 AM

Gore

NaumoJR · Mar 22, 2003, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by Dom
Gore

good one

Dom · Mar 22, 2003, 03:21 AM

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Originally posted by Naumo_JR
good one

Thanks, didn't know I did anything funny.

Frodo301 · Mar 22, 2003, 04:40 AM

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Originally posted by Dom
Gore

And exactly how and why do you think Mr. Inventer of the Internet would do better? I'm not trying to flame, just curious. If I were to pick, it would be a president from our past, with a dead heat tie between John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. Kennedy just knew how and when to play his cards, it seemed that if he made a threat of force people knew he would use it. Mr. Reagan seemed to know how to pull people together but at the same time he also knew when and how to use force if needed. Somehow I think both would have waited a bit longer for a political solution, but I believe both would have ended up using somekind of military action.

WyreTheWolf · Mar 22, 2003, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by Frodo301
And exactly how and why do you think Mr. Inventer of the Internet would do better? I'm not trying to flame, just curious. If I was to pick it would be a president from our past, it would be a dead heat tie between John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. Kennedy just knew how and when to play his cards, it seemed that if he made a threat of force people knew he would use it. Mr. Reagan seemed to know how to pull people together but at the same time he also knew when and how to use force if needed.

Frodo, I am going to have to agree with you on this one. I can't see Gore making a good president. He doesnt know people, and he doesnt know when to open his mouth, and when to keep it shut.

Vampyromaniac · Mar 22, 2003, 05:10 AM

Wow, GwB/Cheney/Gore/Clinton/Nader 5-way tie
Hopefully Florida will turn in their results soon

Frodo301 · Mar 22, 2003, 05:41 AM

And at 12:44am Saturday morning Florida says George W. Bush

And for the ones who voted Ralph Nader I gotta hear the opinions on that one.

Dom · Mar 22, 2003, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by Frodo301
And exactly how and why do you think Mr. Inventer of the Internet would do better? I'm not trying to flame, just curious. If I were to pick, it would be a president from our past, with a dead heat tie between John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. Kennedy just knew how and when to play his cards, it seemed that if he made a threat of force people knew he would use it. Mr. Reagan seemed to know how to pull people together but at the same time he also knew when and how to use force if needed. Somehow I think both would have waited a bit longer for a political solution, but I believe both would have ended up using somekind of military action.

This not a political debate. I do not need to give you reasons why I picked him, It's my opinion.

BWX · Mar 22, 2003, 07:17 AM

Gore would have tried to SUE Usama and fine Saddam, maybe some community service. .

happy now? didn't realize I was in a spelling bee.

Dom · Mar 22, 2003, 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Gore would have tried to sew Usama and fine Saddam, maybe some community service. .

"sue".

Oblivious · Mar 22, 2003, 07:23 PM

I went with Bill Clinton. He did a good job and i would pick him over any of the other candidates. Although if i could pick others i would have to say that Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were probably the two most SANE presidents of the 20th century.

BWX · Mar 22, 2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by Dom
This not a political debate. I do not need to give you reasons why I picked him, It's my opinion.

This SHOULD be in the political debate forum though.

BWX · Mar 22, 2003, 07:46 PM

Looks like GW is winning! Imagine that.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 22, 2003, 09:18 PM

In six months he wont.

Bluelight

raid517 · Mar 22, 2003, 09:30 PM

Well I can't vote as I'm not American. But to be honset I don't see any credible oppsition on the left right now in America. The left are good at producing charismatic clever politicians like the Kenedys, or Clinton, so maybe they will need someone like this to come along and make an impact before America can turn away again from this lurch to the far right. I'll say one thing for Ronald Reagan, he may have been none too smart himself, but as a president he was in a totally different legue from Bush. He played and won much bigger battles than Bush Jnr could ever dream of - and what's more, he won most of them without having to fire a single shot. That's pretty damn impressive.

Q

BWX · Mar 22, 2003, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by bluelight
In six months he wont.

Bluelight

bet 50

JavaFox · Mar 23, 2003, 12:49 AM

It's hard to take someone seriously when the label the current Bush as "far right." Perhaps, Raid, you are unfamiliar with what the term "far right" means in America?

BWX · Mar 23, 2003, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
It's hard to take someone seriously when the label the current Bush as "far right." Perhaps, Raid, you are unfamiliar with what the term "far right" means in America?

I think COMPARED to Raid, Pres. Bush IS far right-LOL

raid517 · Mar 23, 2003, 01:54 AM

Well when I say far right I mean about as far right as its possible to get without goose stepping your way around the Presidential lawn. I think Bush is probably somewhere right of Reagan and somewhere left of Beelzebub incarnate.

But perhaps still not quite as right wing as certain board members here. So far at least he hasn't spoken of bombing protestors, or throwing them in jail, or stripping them of their civil liberties. But what the hey, its still early days I guess...

Q

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
It's hard to take someone seriously when the label the current Bush as "far right." Perhaps, Raid, you are unfamiliar with what the term "far right" means in America?

No way King George II is far right. Otherwise his administration would have continued where Clintons left off in terms of coming down hard on Microsoft in their anit-trust/monopoly trial. MS found guilty but MS dictated the terms of their "punishment". If Bushy was far right then MS wouldn't have gotten away so easily.

Still, I believe that he's just a monkey in suit along with his brown nosed Blair sidekick who looks like he should be in a Punch N Judy show. Thing I don't get is that Labour (UK) are supposed to be left wing, but their policies since they've been elected seem to be very right wing most of the time

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
Well when I say far right I mean about as far right as its possible to get without goose stepping your way around the Presidential lawn. I think Bush is probably somewhere right of Reagan and somewhere left of Beelzebub incarnate. But perhaps still not quite as right wing as certain board members here. So far at least he hasn't spoken of bombing protestors, or throwing them in jail, or stripping them of their civil liberties. But what the hey, its still early days I guess...

Q

Did you know that a poll was pulled on a website for some US polictician who asked whether they should go to war or not? A few days into the poll most votes were pro-war. A few days later it had swung a fair bit to anti-war. Then the site was pulled claming it had been "hacked by anti-war protesters". According to an analysis of the weblogs, the "hack" would have had to have been a program running on different computers to "make a vote" as nearly all of the IP addresses were unique.

Sounds like the presidential florida vote - just on a smaller scale.

BWX · Mar 23, 2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
I think Bush is probably somewhere right of Reagan and somewhere left of Beelzebub incarnate.

You mean WAY right of satan himself-- As satan would surely be far left- And what is an athiest making comparisons about satan anyways? You believe in satan, but not God? WTF? There can't be one without the other there skippy.

EDIT-- Oh, and G.W. is STILL winning!!! LOL- I love it when the truth comes out.

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 02:27 AM

An accomplished general, and a reluctant one as well, He is well like by those that criticize him and yet he has a sobering view of the present war in IRAQ too..

raid517 · Mar 23, 2003, 02:33 AM

Ahh now there's a crux of a dilemma. The left view the right as inherently evil and believe the secretly know it but just don't care. Where as the right believe, well, I don't know what the right believe... Except that they don't care... It makes me laugh when Republicans bang on about defending the human rights of the poor oppressed peoples of Iraq, when human rights in their own country, like basic access to healthcare and social welfare programs is denied to ordinary Americans and trillions of dollars of ordinary tax payers money is given away in tax cuts to the richest 3% of the American population. Since when did altruism and republicanism become compatible ideals...

As for references to the devil, lighten up dude. I think it was patently clear I wasn't being serious. It was a joke; you remember what they are donâ€™t you?

Q

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
An accomplished general, and a reluctant one as well

History shows that military personal are the last people to want a war - they know first hand what is going to happen.

BWX · Mar 23, 2003, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
Ahh now there's a crux of a dilemma. The left view the right as inherently evil and believe the secretly know it but just don't care. Where as the right believe, well, I don't know what the right believe... Except that they don't care... It makes me laugh when Republicans bang on about defending the human rights of the poor oppressed peoples of Iraq, when human rights in their own country, like basic access to healthcare and social welfare programs is denied to ordinary Americans and trillions of dollars of ordinary tax payers money is given away in tax cuts to the richest 3% of the American population. Since when did altruism and republicanism become compatible ideals...

As for references to the devil, lighten up dude. I think it was patently clear I wasn't being serious. It was a joke; you remember what they are donâ€™t you?

Q

it is the left in the US that want to give all the taxpayers money away to special interest groups and animals like owls and gofers. Oh, not to mention they want to gove money away to every country in the world that can't support their own people, and even a bunch that can.

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by raid ****and trillions of dollars of ordinary tax payers money is given away in tax cuts to the richest 3% of the American population. Since when did altruism and republicanism become compatible ideals...****

about that statement- Who is the one that made that money in the first place? The government? NO- the people! The government doesn't GIVE anybody ANYTHING, the government produces nothing, lets not forget, the only thing the government does is take, through taxation. So it is Impossible for them to give someone something they just took from them.

And about satan- I was really just wondering if you believed in satan because you compared him to Bush, just wondering.

raid517 · Mar 23, 2003, 03:21 AM

@BWX232 Well if your happy with Bush giving all your money to his rich friends that's up to you. They are probabably laughing all the way to the bank over it.

But what the hey, its not my money. Mind you I'd rather give a few bucks to a down on their luck Gopher than a filthy rich billionare. I don't know about you, but I havent seen any Billionars hanging our round any Salvation Army hostels recently. Not unless they aim to privatise them that is...

Q

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 03:29 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
@BWX232 Well if your happy with Bush giving all your money to his rich friends that's up to you. They are probabably laughing all the way to the bank over it.

C'mon - for every straight non bribeable polictician I can show you a dozen more who are just as corrupt regardless of county/politics.

USA just gets the most flack over this because of the size of the country and the freedom the of press

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 03:45 AM

What kind of *edit for content* would pick Clinton?

Mar 22, 2003, 02:38 AM	#1
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Pick-A-Prez I was curious if anyone thinks someone else would be doing a better job calling the shots in the White House on the Iraq situation and everything else the US needs to deal with. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250 Last edited by Vampyromaniac; Mar 22, 2003 at 02:43 AM.

Mar 22, 2003, 05:10 AM	Thread Starter #7
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Wow, GwB/Cheney/Gore/Clinton/Nader 5-way tie Hopefully Florida will turn in their results soon __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Mar 22, 2003, 05:41 AM	#8
Frodo301 Outraged Join Date: May 2002 Location: The mountains Posts: 584 Rep Power: 0	And at 12:44am Saturday morning Florida says George W. Bush And for the ones who voted Ralph Nader I gotta hear the opinions on that one. __________________ The greatest thing you'll every learn is to love, and be loved in return.

Mar 22, 2003, 07:17 AM	#10
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Gore would have tried to SUE Usama and fine Saddam, maybe some community service. . happy now? didn't realize I was in a spelling bee. Last edited by BWX; Mar 22, 2003 at 07:44 PM.

Mar 22, 2003, 07:23 PM	#12
Oblivious DivrerHaeven Seinor Mebmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 236 Rep Power: 0	I went with Bill Clinton. He did a good job and i would pick him over any of the other candidates. Although if i could pick others i would have to say that Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were probably the two most SANE presidents of the 20th century. __________________ Pepole olny raed wrods. Btu oyu shuodl sitll check oyur spleling! http://realgar.hopto.org

Mar 22, 2003, 03:12 AM	#2
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Gore

Mar 22, 2003, 07:46 PM	#14
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Looks like GW is winning! Imagine that.

Mar 22, 2003, 09:18 PM	#15
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	In six months he wont. Bluelight

Mar 22, 2003, 09:30 PM	#16
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well I can't vote as I'm not American. But to be honset I don't see any credible oppsition on the left right now in America. The left are good at producing charismatic clever politicians like the Kenedys, or Clinton, so maybe they will need someone like this to come along and make an impact before America can turn away again from this lurch to the far right. I'll say one thing for Ronald Reagan, he may have been none too smart himself, but as a president he was in a totally different legue from Bush. He played and won much bigger battles than Bush Jnr could ever dream of - and what's more, he won most of them without having to fire a single shot. That's pretty damn impressive. Q

Mar 23, 2003, 12:49 AM	#18
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	It's hard to take someone seriously when the label the current Bush as "far right." Perhaps, Raid, you are unfamiliar with what the term "far right" means in America?

Mar 23, 2003, 01:54 AM	#20
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well when I say far right I mean about as far right as its possible to get without goose stepping your way around the Presidential lawn. I think Bush is probably somewhere right of Reagan and somewhere left of Beelzebub incarnate. But perhaps still not quite as right wing as certain board members here. So far at least he hasn't spoken of bombing protestors, or throwing them in jail, or stripping them of their civil liberties. But what the hey, its still early days I guess... Q

Mar 23, 2003, 02:27 AM	#24
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Colin Powell An accomplished general, and a reluctant one as well, He is well like by those that criticize him and yet he has a sobering view of the present war in IRAQ too.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 23, 2003, 02:33 AM	#25
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Ahh now there's a crux of a dilemma. The left view the right as inherently evil and believe the secretly know it but just don't care. Where as the right believe, well, I don't know what the right believe... Except that they don't care... It makes me laugh when Republicans bang on about defending the human rights of the poor oppressed peoples of Iraq, when human rights in their own country, like basic access to healthcare and social welfare programs is denied to ordinary Americans and trillions of dollars of ordinary tax payers money is given away in tax cuts to the richest 3% of the American population. Since when did altruism and republicanism become compatible ideals... As for references to the devil, lighten up dude. I think it was patently clear I wasn't being serious. It was a joke; you remember what they are donâ€™t you? Q

Mar 23, 2003, 03:21 AM	#28
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	@BWX232 Well if your happy with Bush giving all your money to his rich friends that's up to you. They are probabably laughing all the way to the bank over it. But what the hey, its not my money. Mind you I'd rather give a few bucks to a down on their luck Gopher than a filthy rich billionare. I don't know about you, but I havent seen any Billionars hanging our round any Salvation Army hostels recently. Not unless they aim to privatise them that is... Q

Mar 23, 2003, 03:45 AM	#30
~~ByteMe~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 0	What kind of edit for content would pick Clinton?