Wack job trys to kill his platoon commander

NaumoJR · Mar 23, 2003, 03:51 AM

I don't know if you guys have been watching the news today so I'll post what I know.

According to all the news sites. Some wack job US soldier chucked 3 grenades into commanding officers' tents while they were sleeping at camp Pennsylvania in northern Kuwait.

He ended up injuring 13 soldiers, 6 criticaly. He also exchanged small arms fire. They cought the bastard and he now is being guarded, while a army jacket is blanketed over his head. If you turn on CNN right now you can see him. You'll probably see a shot of him eventually. All of this is just what I've heard from while wwatching the news so don't take it to the grave or anything

This is earlly similar to things that took place in Vietnam. With soldiers attcking commanders because of their orders etc...

What do you guys think about this whole mess?

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 04:02 AM

It goes to show that there is a lot of division about the entire war.

Pro-War or Anti-War

It's a given that the majority of the US and UK are pro war. And these two nations make up the majority of the "co-alition". I dunno if Spain is part of it.

However, both the US and the UK are pretty much divided between pro and anti-war with the general populous - although the pro's seem to have it in both countries.

But the point is that the divide is not all that much. Hence you will get extremists for anti-war in the army.

Why is this? Many people join up because an army is as much a deterrant as it is a fighting machine.

raid517 · Mar 23, 2003, 04:09 AM

I think the guy probably just fell out with his C/O. You get crazies wherever you go...

Q

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
I think the guy probably just fell out with his C/O. You get crazies wherever you go...

Q

True, but army screening and training normally gets the wackos out after a few weeks. I doubt that any military currently in the Gulf (co-alition) are greener than 6 months

raid517 · Mar 23, 2003, 04:18 AM

Well he was still a nutter - and he still slipped through the net. The testing can't be that good.

Q

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 04:20 AM

I hope they strap his a$$ to one of the bombs that gets droped in Iraq.

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
Well he was still a nutter - and he still slipped through the net. The testing can't be that good.

Q

Or - and this may be easier to swallow - a significant ammount of the populous (around 45% UK and 40% USA) don't want the war?

Even if those numbers are rough, the numbers in the army aren't going to be that much lower.

The point is that many people don't like this war - and when members of the army don't agree then doesn't that say something?

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ByteMe
I hope they strap his a$$ to one of the bombs that gets droped in Iraq.

Or they could lock him in a room with you. Nah - thats far too cruel

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
Or they could lock him in a room with you. Nah - thats far too cruel

I'd kill him faster. On the bomb he'd atleast have a bit before they got over target. Maybe for torture I'd first make him read your posts.

UberLord · Mar 23, 2003, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ByteMe
I'd kill him faster. On the bomb he'd atleast have a bit before they got over target. Maybe for torture I'd first make him read your posts.

So you favour a long painful death then?
So much for the humane killing

NaumoJR · Mar 23, 2003, 05:09 AM

They're reporting now that one of the 13 soldiers has died.

JavaFox · Mar 23, 2003, 05:24 AM

NaumoJR · Mar 23, 2003, 05:29 AM

here he is

from www.cnn.com

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 05:29 AM

This fellow's motives are unknown and based on the limited information, he was a disciplinary problem, is he the first....no way...I am sure we will find out that his ability to respond to stress or adapt to stress was comprimised somehow by internal and external factors....but some realy crazy people have emerged from military service in the 101st airborne, these guys are professionals, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see many more..

FuNsTeR · Mar 23, 2003, 02:40 PM

US forces are full of Blondes fact

how can the yanks shoot down a british Tornado jet when theirs been no Iraqis Airforce or any Iraqis missiles been fired in 2 days .... are your forces that bloody dumb ??

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 03:47 PM

An unfortunate aspect of war, I suppose the tornado pilots and the U.S. pilots turn off their IFF squawk when they bomb, becasue some soviet made antiair systems home in on it..It's a hell of thing, but it happens...

Frodo301 · Mar 23, 2003, 03:55 PM

I just heard on Fox News he was reprimanded earlier in the week for some yet unknown offense and not being allowed to go forward. At this point he is believed to have made the attack out of anger, but I'm sure we will here 20 more stories as to exactly why he did it before the actual facts are found. And Funster, even with today's modern technology accidents can and will happen with any war. I remeber very well in the first Gulf War receiving soldiers in our CSH unit who were victims of friendly fire. I recall it was due to commo problems between two tank brigades.

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 04:04 PM

On Al Jazeera television.....americans being tortured then shot.....Terrible, absolutely terrible.....but not the first time.....I can describe in detail IRAQI's that drew americans into firefights after they attempted to surrender, after that, many units, operating independently for the most part, eliminating the burden of being responsible for surrendering IRAQI's allowing them to run for their lives before they shot them in the back.....saw lots of IRAQI's shot in the back...and not all of them were killed by their own commanders.....WAR IS HELL, it has to be terrible, or we would be too fond of it....My only beef, and I will catch some real flak over this.......but they should limit the freedom of journalists in country...but I guess in this day and age its unrealistic...

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 04:08 PM

The chilling video, of an Apache pilot, perhaps the leader of the unit...sitting for several minutes, asking for permission to fire on an armoured unit behind enemy lines......then to find out, after he had destroyed these vehicles....that they were friendlies....it was sickening..and sobering...Brave men and women, take incredible risks just getting there tot he front..and then take further risks with Apache choppers overhead, and prosecuting missions.....God bless them all....I pray their sacrifice was not in vain...

raid517 · Mar 23, 2003, 05:06 PM

Yeah I thought that was a bit rough using a patriot to shoot down a Tornado. I mean the Iraqi air force is non existent. If there was anything left of it, it would be the first thing to be obliterated. In any case how could they be confused? The trajectory of a Scud is very different from that of a fast jet. Heck you would have to think their radar signature is very different too. It sounds like some hot headed young trigger happy raw recruit looking for their first kill if you ask me... Anyway there's a big stink about it in the UK, as at the very best it means an entire missile battery on 'auto' while there were allied aircraft in the area. Not clever. Indeed I think more British servicemen have been killed in these last 3 wars through American firepower than have ever been killed through enemy action. (Heck I think more Americans have been killed in these last 3 wars by American fire power than any enemy could ever hope to achieve).
I remember that attack on that convoy in Bosnia Jeff. That was nuts. 3 British Harrier pilots checked out the convoy and radioed to all the other pilots in the area not to attack it. 20 minutes later 2 F16 stumbled on them and were passed intelligence that key government members were hiding among the convoy and also that the convoy was military in nature. (I don't know, it must have been those armoured donkey carts or something). A short while later the result was utter obliteration. So while eyes in the sky looked and saw one thing, intelligence from HQ said another and they were instructed to attack anyway.

I remember too the attack on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Billions of dollars worth of satellite technology were used in determining the validity of various targets. These images were poured over by teams of dedicate analysts who had spent years training in the art of target recognition and designation. Consultations between the military, the CIA and the government took place and finally a decision was taken to attack the suspect target. But really they needn't have bothered, if they really had been interested in which buildings were which all they really had to do was look it up in that years edition of the Belgrade Yellow Pages. By the time the allied attacked Bosnia perestroika and privatisation in Yugoslavia were already old news.

Well anyway, I hope some real controls are placed on this sort of thing and any similar future incidents can be avoided.

Q

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 11:04 PM

My brother served with a patriot unit during the gulf war, they use the same three phase status for weapons that everyone else uses...We will probably find out that some kid, left the switch on "auto"....once the pack 2 birds acquire a target you have to pretty fast to self destruct the missle, my guess is they sat behind the console with open mouths and hoped the sub sonic blip on their screens was a hostile...and started weeping when they knew for damn sure that it wasn't...Inside the box, all the patriot crew can see are unconfirmed and confirmed targets.. there are fail safes, if you have time....perhaps seconds at most...someone will pay...you just can't launch without someone noticing what type of target it is......has this ever happened before....oh yes....When both silkworm missles were downed that were fired at my ship, the CIWS, or close in support weapon system from another allied ship, I think it was the USS Nicholas or Fife....sent a stream of depleted uranium into the skin of the wardroom and made those poor sailors duck.....The british ship that brought the missles down had mere seconds to react....pretty damn scary, we didn't find out till days afterward whether or not it was the bad guys or the good guys...but then that was twelve years ago..

Mar 23, 2003, 03:51 AM	#1
NaumoJR Paranoid Android Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Planet Telex Posts: 1,029 Rep Power: 0	Wack job trys to kill his platoon commander I don't know if you guys have been watching the news today so I'll post what I know. According to all the news sites. Some wack job US soldier chucked 3 grenades into commanding officers' tents while they were sleeping at camp Pennsylvania in northern Kuwait. He ended up injuring 13 soldiers, 6 criticaly. He also exchanged small arms fire. They cought the bastard and he now is being guarded, while a army jacket is blanketed over his head. If you turn on CNN right now you can see him. You'll probably see a shot of him eventually. All of this is just what I've heard from while wwatching the news so don't take it to the grave or anything This is earlly similar to things that took place in Vietnam. With soldiers attcking commanders because of their orders etc... What do you guys think about this whole mess?

Mar 23, 2003, 04:02 AM	#2
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	It goes to show that there is a lot of division about the entire war. Pro-War or Anti-War It's a given that the majority of the US and UK are pro war. And these two nations make up the majority of the "co-alition". I dunno if Spain is part of it. However, both the US and the UK are pretty much divided between pro and anti-war with the general populous - although the pro's seem to have it in both countries. But the point is that the divide is not all that much. Hence you will get extremists for anti-war in the army. Why is this? Many people join up because an army is as much a deterrant as it is a fighting machine. __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Mar 23, 2003, 05:29 AM	Thread Starter #13
NaumoJR Paranoid Android Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Planet Telex Posts: 1,029 Rep Power: 0	here he is from www.cnn.com Last edited by NaumoJR; Mar 23, 2003 at 05:35 AM.

Mar 23, 2003, 05:29 AM	#14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	A criminal This fellow's motives are unknown and based on the limited information, he was a disciplinary problem, is he the first....no way...I am sure we will find out that his ability to respond to stress or adapt to stress was comprimised somehow by internal and external factors....but some realy crazy people have emerged from military service in the 101st airborne, these guys are professionals, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see many more.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 23, 2003, 02:40 PM	#15
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	US forces are full of Blondes fact how can the yanks shoot down a british Tornado jet when theirs been no Iraqis Airforce or any Iraqis missiles been fired in 2 days .... are your forces that bloody dumb ?? __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Mar 23, 2003, 04:09 AM	#3
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	I think the guy probably just fell out with his C/O. You get crazies wherever you go... Q

Mar 23, 2003, 04:18 AM	#5
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well he was still a nutter - and he still slipped through the net. The testing can't be that good. Q

Mar 23, 2003, 04:20 AM	#6
~~ByteMe~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 0	I hope they strap his a$$ to one of the bombs that gets droped in Iraq.

Mar 23, 2003, 05:09 AM	Thread Starter #11
NaumoJR Paranoid Android Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Planet Telex Posts: 1,029 Rep Power: 0	They're reporting now that one of the 13 soldiers has died.

Mar 23, 2003, 05:24 AM	#12
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Mar 23, 2003, 03:47 PM	#16
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Fratracide An unfortunate aspect of war, I suppose the tornado pilots and the U.S. pilots turn off their IFF squawk when they bomb, becasue some soviet made antiair systems home in on it..It's a hell of thing, but it happens... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 23, 2003, 03:55 PM	#17
Frodo301 Outraged Join Date: May 2002 Location: The mountains Posts: 584 Rep Power: 0	I just heard on Fox News he was reprimanded earlier in the week for some yet unknown offense and not being allowed to go forward. At this point he is believed to have made the attack out of anger, but I'm sure we will here 20 more stories as to exactly why he did it before the actual facts are found. And Funster, even with today's modern technology accidents can and will happen with any war. I remeber very well in the first Gulf War receiving soldiers in our CSH unit who were victims of friendly fire. I recall it was due to commo problems between two tank brigades. __________________ The greatest thing you'll every learn is to love, and be loved in return.

Mar 23, 2003, 04:04 PM	#18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	And now we see On Al Jazeera television.....americans being tortured then shot.....Terrible, absolutely terrible.....but not the first time.....I can describe in detail IRAQI's that drew americans into firefights after they attempted to surrender, after that, many units, operating independently for the most part, eliminating the burden of being responsible for surrendering IRAQI's allowing them to run for their lives before they shot them in the back.....saw lots of IRAQI's shot in the back...and not all of them were killed by their own commanders.....WAR IS HELL, it has to be terrible, or we would be too fond of it....My only beef, and I will catch some real flak over this.......but they should limit the freedom of journalists in country...but I guess in this day and age its unrealistic... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 23, 2003, 04:08 PM	#19
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I still recall The chilling video, of an Apache pilot, perhaps the leader of the unit...sitting for several minutes, asking for permission to fire on an armoured unit behind enemy lines......then to find out, after he had destroyed these vehicles....that they were friendlies....it was sickening..and sobering...Brave men and women, take incredible risks just getting there tot he front..and then take further risks with Apache choppers overhead, and prosecuting missions.....God bless them all....I pray their sacrifice was not in vain... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 23, 2003, 05:06 PM	#20
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I thought that was a bit rough using a patriot to shoot down a Tornado. I mean the Iraqi air force is non existent. If there was anything left of it, it would be the first thing to be obliterated. In any case how could they be confused? The trajectory of a Scud is very different from that of a fast jet. Heck you would have to think their radar signature is very different too. It sounds like some hot headed young trigger happy raw recruit looking for their first kill if you ask me... Anyway there's a big stink about it in the UK, as at the very best it means an entire missile battery on 'auto' while there were allied aircraft in the area. Not clever. Indeed I think more British servicemen have been killed in these last 3 wars through American firepower than have ever been killed through enemy action. (Heck I think more Americans have been killed in these last 3 wars by American fire power than any enemy could ever hope to achieve). I remember that attack on that convoy in Bosnia Jeff. That was nuts. 3 British Harrier pilots checked out the convoy and radioed to all the other pilots in the area not to attack it. 20 minutes later 2 F16 stumbled on them and were passed intelligence that key government members were hiding among the convoy and also that the convoy was military in nature. (I don't know, it must have been those armoured donkey carts or something). A short while later the result was utter obliteration. So while eyes in the sky looked and saw one thing, intelligence from HQ said another and they were instructed to attack anyway. I remember too the attack on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. Billions of dollars worth of satellite technology were used in determining the validity of various targets. These images were poured over by teams of dedicate analysts who had spent years training in the art of target recognition and designation. Consultations between the military, the CIA and the government took place and finally a decision was taken to attack the suspect target. But really they needn't have bothered, if they really had been interested in which buildings were which all they really had to do was look it up in that years edition of the Belgrade Yellow Pages. By the time the allied attacked Bosnia perestroika and privatisation in Yugoslavia were already old news. Well anyway, I hope some real controls are placed on this sort of thing and any similar future incidents can be avoided. Q

Mar 23, 2003, 11:04 PM	#21
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Human error My brother served with a patriot unit during the gulf war, they use the same three phase status for weapons that everyone else uses...We will probably find out that some kid, left the switch on "auto"....once the pack 2 birds acquire a target you have to pretty fast to self destruct the missle, my guess is they sat behind the console with open mouths and hoped the sub sonic blip on their screens was a hostile...and started weeping when they knew for damn sure that it wasn't...Inside the box, all the patriot crew can see are unconfirmed and confirmed targets.. there are fail safes, if you have time....perhaps seconds at most...someone will pay...you just can't launch without someone noticing what type of target it is......has this ever happened before....oh yes....When both silkworm missles were downed that were fired at my ship, the CIWS, or close in support weapon system from another allied ship, I think it was the USS Nicholas or Fife....sent a stream of depleted uranium into the skin of the wardroom and made those poor sailors duck.....The british ship that brought the missles down had mere seconds to react....pretty damn scary, we didn't find out till days afterward whether or not it was the bad guys or the good guys...but then that was twelve years ago.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."