Iraq: U.S. POWs to be shown on TV

Dom · Mar 23, 2003, 04:27 PM

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Video of American prisoners of war is to be shown on Iraqi television, Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan said Sunday.

Story at CNN.com

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 04:41 PM

Yeah i saw it in our main newspaper here too.

This is getting more and more shitty everyday and i fear this is just the beginning....Fxck!!!

Bluelight

FuNsTeR · Mar 23, 2003, 05:40 PM

UK TV showed Iraqis prisoners being frisked etc and being told to walk to X point with their hands on their head .... Rumsfeld was on TV he looked very edgy when asked questions ... at one point i thought he was a borg ... telling the Iraqis that resistance is futile over and over again ..... war sux that is the reality of it ... its brutal and many people die

shuki · Mar 23, 2003, 05:47 PM

"Iraqi television showed film Sunday of at least four bodies, said to be U.S. soldiers, and five prisoners who said they were American troops.

Two of the prisoners, including a woman, appeared to be wounded. One was lying on the floor on a rug.

They were the first U.S. prisoners known to have been taken by Iraq. The prisoners were questioned on air and gave their names, military identification numbers and home towns.

The bodies and prisoners were shown on Iraqi television, and relayed by Al-Jazeera Arab satellite channel.

The first prisoner shown gave his name as Miller and said he was from Kansas.

Asked why he had come to Iraq he replied: "Because I was told to come here. I was just under orders. I was told to shoot - only if I'm shot at. I don't want to kill anybody."

In Washington, U.S. defense officials said a small number of U.S. troops have apparently been captured and others killed by the Iraqi military in southern Iraq.

The officials, who asked not to be identified, said the tape from the Al Jazeera showed some U.S. soldiers being interrogated and some dead from gunshots to the head.

The officials said there was no direct confirmation of the capture, apparently involving as many as 10 U.S. troops from an American Army maintenance unit, but that notifications were being made to families based on the tape.

"To me, it [the tape] was convincing," said one of the defense officials. Others said the tape could have been made by the Iraqi military and provided to Al Jazeera."

Iraqi TV shows images of U.S. prisoners,

digitalwanderer · Mar 23, 2003, 07:29 PM

....you're about to see what happens when the US gets pissed off!

Zardon · Mar 23, 2003, 07:51 PM

im praying to god they abide by the geneva convention and dont torture them.......

***craig5320*** · Mar 23, 2003, 07:57 PM

Well on the news they only showed still pictures, and the newsman said they weren't going to show the footage because it violated the geneva convention

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 08:12 PM

I have seen it just small fragments of it and it showed some dead bodies they clsaimed were Americans and a couple of people that were obviously caught and Americans.

Showing images like this is not according to the Geneva convention if it applies to a nation...but for a tv company it is ok to publish images like this.

Usa has many many times during and after the Gulf war showed images of captured Iraq`is.All according to the rules.So.....Rumsfield is a liar.

The reason they dont show the images is possibly of respect for the relaitves of the prisoners and out of fear of what the opinion will be.

I hardly think they will be either tortured or killed.

Iraq has nothing to gain on doing so.Nothing whatsoever.Not here or in the Arab world.

At the moment they are in need of showing that "We follow the rules" to gain opinion but.......when this show arrives at Bagdad.....i fear all hell will break loose.

The Iraq`is arent surrendering as your goverenment claimed they would.The soldiers in the south was expected to be the ones not motivated at all....Well they obviously are...Those in Bagdad are supporsed to the ones...most motivated....

Bluelight

digitalwanderer · Mar 23, 2003, 08:14 PM

...if there are Americans in the hands of the Iraqis right now my feeling will do a 180 degree turn-about and I will support WHATEVER is neccessary to get them home safely. We don't abandon our own, it is just NOT right.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 08:28 PM

Well they lied to you when they said it was gonna be a walkover victory.They probably lied to themself too.

Bluelight

Dom · Mar 23, 2003, 08:36 PM

I'm sure the US is using torture to get info from Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

JavaFox · Mar 23, 2003, 09:07 PM

Nah, Dom. We might have let the Pakistanis torture him, though

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Nah, Dom. We might have let the Pakistanis torture him, though

From what I've read the CIA would use drugs first as they are more effective.

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
....you're about to see what happens when the US gets pissed off!

Yes this pisses ppeople but I think the war policy will remain basicly unchanged because of it. Shit like this is normal in war. If it happen alot more then we would do somethings different.

Necrosis · Mar 23, 2003, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
The Iraq`is arent surrendering as your goverenment claimed they would.The soldiers in the south was expected to be the ones not motivated at all....Well they obviously are...Those in Bagdad are supporsed to the ones...most motivated....Bluelight

Um, yes they are surrendering and no one ever stated this would be a push over war. In war this kind of thing is going to happen. You have a small group of people out in the desert who is support for main troops. Perfect oppurtunity for an ambush...just think about it.

digitalwanderer · Mar 23, 2003, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ByteMe
Yes this pisses ppeople but I think the war policy will remain basicly unchanged because of it. Shit like this is normal in war. If it happen alot more then we would do somethings different.

Normally I'd agree with you on that as I do understand it's normal and not really that big a part of a much larger thing.....but this is a different kind of war methinks than any that have been fought before. I don't even remember 'Nam having such up-close, 24/7 coverage or more contraversy over the "why's" of it.

I think that public reaction is going to play a BIG part in our strategy, as stupid as that may be I just got a gut feeling it's going to happen.

Falstaff · Mar 23, 2003, 10:47 PM

that is why we have imbedded media, this sort of thing happens all the time in war..but now, under military control, the media can give the whole world something better than "surviver" to watch now....this raised reality T.V. to a new morbid level....I wish all the journalist would stay the heck out but then that would be unrealistic...the IRAQI's know we have journalists and could use them to their advantage as well....

Dom · Mar 23, 2003, 11:24 PM

I just saw the video that was aired on Al-jazeerah, it wasn't gross at all, however I don't know if it was the whole video. If you would like to see it right click here and press save taget as.

Thanks to Ogrish.com

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 23, 2003, 11:25 PM

As long as we get to see saddam eat a bullet/bomb ... the media coverage will be fine by my book. if they miss that I will be disappointed.

Falstaff · Mar 24, 2003, 12:44 AM

He finallly did it, he just couldn't wait till it was over...we saw two dead IRAQI's in civilian clothes and sandled feet, sheesh...this is gonna backfire I am afraid, maybe the marines got some toasts in their names at bars all over the U.S. but the muslims are going to use this in such a creative and devisive way.....and it's gonna get nastier...

Falstaff · Mar 24, 2003, 12:46 AM

I could care less, WAR is hell, maybe americans who support and who whine and complain (protest) will develope the same opinion about war...I have been there and done that and it really really sucks...but it is much better to be the winner......and we will win!!

Dom · Mar 24, 2003, 01:54 AM

I heard on the news that there is definitely one US soldier dead, possibly executed by Iraqi soldiers. Eleven missing, four presumed dead and five captured. Also today at Nasiriyah ten more US soldiers were killed and forty injured.

MSNBC has a nice report on it here

Dom · Mar 24, 2003, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dom
I just saw the video that was aired on Al-jazeerah, it wasn't gross at all, however I don't know if it was the whole video. If you would like to see it right click here and press save taget as.

Thanks to Ogrish.com

BTW. This video has been edited.

Vampyromaniac · Mar 24, 2003, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fallang_jeff
He finallly did it, he just couldn't wait till it was over...we saw two dead IRAQI's in civilian clothes and sandled feet

Do they know who killed them?
Is it below Hussein's regime to kill their own people and pretend their enemy did?

Dom · Mar 24, 2003, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Do they know who killed them?
Is it below Hussein's regime to kill their own people and pretend their enemy did?

Could have been and probally was Iraqi soldiers dressed as civilians. The US soldiers were ambushed by Iraqi soldiers this very way.

Vampyromaniac · Mar 24, 2003, 05:23 AM

ah, another interesting theory

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 24, 2003, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
....you're about to see what happens when the US gets pissed off!

I see MOAB's droping all over ...

no really the us is still holding back the shock and aw campain is the tip of what they plan to unleash upon saddom and his troops

just wait and see..... mabe they should just level bagdad and get this all over with

Smoothdrive · Mar 24, 2003, 10:02 AM

I saw a couple of minutes of the footage on the news here..dead Ameican soldiers in the street as close-up as half a body in the screen..gross..but reality of war

Also saw the POW's and heard them answering a few questions..seems the are support staff..mechanics and such who apperently took a wrong turn..they looked terrified and sounded scared(in my observation as if they have been tortured already)..The Iraqi interviewer asked one of them something like "Why are you here to kill Iraqi people ?" he replied in the manner of "I'm not..i'm a mechanic and only trained to return fire when fired upon..they started shooting at us so we shot back."

The footage strongly speaks against Iraq if you ask me..these soldiers did not look at ease at all..they had a lot of fear in their eyes..as if they were afraid to answer the question but were afraid to keep silent as well.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 24, 2003, 11:07 AM

hey look it's daytime BAGHDAD.........

GOG · Mar 24, 2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
I see MOAB's droping all over ... no really the us is still holding back the shock and aw campain is the tip of what they plan to unleash upon saddom and his troops just wait and see..... mabe they should just level bagdad and get this all over with

Yes, you level that city with all the civilians in it, it wouldn't be the first time you killed civilians when an inferior, outnumbered army is holding up to your "elite soldiers". Holding back, pffft... The eagerness here is so big that you have started to shoot at your allies. You can't handle the power you possess, it's just as simple as that.

Mar 23, 2003, 04:27 PM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Iraq: U.S. POWs to be shown on TV BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Video of American prisoners of war is to be shown on Iraqi television, Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan said Sunday. Story at CNN.com

Mar 23, 2003, 05:40 PM	#3
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	UK TV showed Iraqis prisoners being frisked etc and being told to walk to X point with their hands on their head .... Rumsfeld was on TV he looked very edgy when asked questions ... at one point i thought he was a borg ... telling the Iraqis that resistance is futile over and over again ..... war sux that is the reality of it ... its brutal and many people die __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Mar 23, 2003, 05:47 PM	#4
shuki DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: in the hidden place Posts: 1,975 Rep Power: 0	Iraqi TV shows images of US prisoners "Iraqi television showed film Sunday of at least four bodies, said to be U.S. soldiers, and five prisoners who said they were American troops. Two of the prisoners, including a woman, appeared to be wounded. One was lying on the floor on a rug. They were the first U.S. prisoners known to have been taken by Iraq. The prisoners were questioned on air and gave their names, military identification numbers and home towns. The bodies and prisoners were shown on Iraqi television, and relayed by Al-Jazeera Arab satellite channel. The first prisoner shown gave his name as Miller and said he was from Kansas. Asked why he had come to Iraq he replied: "Because I was told to come here. I was just under orders. I was told to shoot - only if I'm shot at. I don't want to kill anybody." In Washington, U.S. defense officials said a small number of U.S. troops have apparently been captured and others killed by the Iraqi military in southern Iraq. The officials, who asked not to be identified, said the tape from the Al Jazeera showed some U.S. soldiers being interrogated and some dead from gunshots to the head. The officials said there was no direct confirmation of the capture, apparently involving as many as 10 U.S. troops from an American Army maintenance unit, but that notifications were being made to families based on the tape. "To me, it [the tape] was convincing," said one of the defense officials. Others said the tape could have been made by the Iraqi military and provided to Al Jazeera." Iraqi TV shows images of U.S. prisoners,

Mar 23, 2003, 07:29 PM	#5
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Mar 23, 2003, 07:57 PM	#7
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,579 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	Well on the news they only showed still pictures, and the newsman said they weren't going to show the footage because it violated the geneva convention __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Mar 23, 2003, 04:41 PM	#2
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Yeah i saw it in our main newspaper here too. This is getting more and more shitty everyday and i fear this is just the beginning....Fxck!!! Bluelight

Mar 23, 2003, 07:51 PM	#6
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	im praying to god they abide by the geneva convention and dont torture them.......

Mar 23, 2003, 08:12 PM	#8
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	I have seen it just small fragments of it and it showed some dead bodies they clsaimed were Americans and a couple of people that were obviously caught and Americans. Showing images like this is not according to the Geneva convention if it applies to a nation...but for a tv company it is ok to publish images like this. Usa has many many times during and after the Gulf war showed images of captured Iraq`is.All according to the rules.So.....Rumsfield is a liar. The reason they dont show the images is possibly of respect for the relaitves of the prisoners and out of fear of what the opinion will be. I hardly think they will be either tortured or killed. Iraq has nothing to gain on doing so.Nothing whatsoever.Not here or in the Arab world. At the moment they are in need of showing that "We follow the rules" to gain opinion but.......when this show arrives at Bagdad.....i fear all hell will break loose. The Iraq`is arent surrendering as your goverenment claimed they would.The soldiers in the south was expected to be the ones not motivated at all....Well they obviously are...Those in Bagdad are supporsed to the ones...most motivated.... Bluelight

Mar 23, 2003, 08:14 PM	#9
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I don't support this war, but... ...if there are Americans in the hands of the Iraqis right now my feeling will do a 180 degree turn-about and I will support WHATEVER is neccessary to get them home safely. We don't abandon our own, it is just NOT right. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Mar 23, 2003, 08:28 PM	#10
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Well they lied to you when they said it was gonna be a walkover victory.They probably lied to themself too. Bluelight

Mar 23, 2003, 08:36 PM	Thread Starter #11
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	I'm sure the US is using torture to get info from Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

Mar 23, 2003, 09:07 PM	#12
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Nah, Dom. We might have let the Pakistanis torture him, though

Mar 23, 2003, 10:47 PM	#17
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	already happening that is why we have imbedded media, this sort of thing happens all the time in war..but now, under military control, the media can give the whole world something better than "surviver" to watch now....this raised reality T.V. to a new morbid level....I wish all the journalist would stay the heck out but then that would be unrealistic...the IRAQI's know we have journalists and could use them to their advantage as well.... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 23, 2003, 11:24 PM	Thread Starter #18
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	I just saw the video that was aired on Al-jazeerah, it wasn't gross at all, however I don't know if it was the whole video. If you would like to see it right click here and press save taget as. Thanks to Ogrish.com

Mar 23, 2003, 11:25 PM	#19
~~ByteMe~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 0	As long as we get to see saddam eat a bullet/bomb ... the media coverage will be fine by my book. if they miss that I will be disappointed.

Mar 24, 2003, 12:44 AM	#20
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Ted Kopel He finallly did it, he just couldn't wait till it was over...we saw two dead IRAQI's in civilian clothes and sandled feet, sheesh...this is gonna backfire I am afraid, maybe the marines got some toasts in their names at bars all over the U.S. but the muslims are going to use this in such a creative and devisive way.....and it's gonna get nastier... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 24, 2003, 12:46 AM	#21
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	But then I could care less, WAR is hell, maybe americans who support and who whine and complain (protest) will develope the same opinion about war...I have been there and done that and it really really sucks...but it is much better to be the winner......and we will win!! __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 24, 2003, 01:54 AM	Thread Starter #22
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	I heard on the news that there is definitely one US soldier dead, possibly executed by Iraqi soldiers. Eleven missing, four presumed dead and five captured. Also today at Nasiriyah ten more US soldiers were killed and forty injured. MSNBC has a nice report on it here

Mar 24, 2003, 05:23 AM	#26
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Dom ah, another interesting theory

Mar 24, 2003, 10:02 AM	#28
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	I saw a couple of minutes of the footage on the news here..dead Ameican soldiers in the street as close-up as half a body in the screen..gross..but reality of war Also saw the POW's and heard them answering a few questions..seems the are support staff..mechanics and such who apperently took a wrong turn..they looked terrified and sounded scared(in my observation as if they have been tortured already)..The Iraqi interviewer asked one of them something like "Why are you here to kill Iraqi people ?" he replied in the manner of "I'm not..i'm a mechanic and only trained to return fire when fired upon..they started shooting at us so we shot back." The footage strongly speaks against Iraq if you ask me..these soldiers did not look at ease at all..they had a lot of fear in their eyes..as if they were afraid to answer the question but were afraid to keep silent as well. __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Mar 24, 2003, 11:07 AM	#29
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	hey look it's daytime BAGHDAD......... __________________