bush and blair

sinjin · Mar 27, 2003, 07:09 PM

anyone watch these two puppets give their news conference from camp david this morning?

an endless love...(4mb)

digitalwanderer · Mar 27, 2003, 07:26 PM

...I finally got to see Michael Moore's press conference from after the Emmy's and loved every stinking second of it!

FuNsTeR · Mar 27, 2003, 07:46 PM

already posted that ages ago sinjin .. in the off topic forum ... still makes me p1ss masel laughing

JavaFox · Mar 27, 2003, 08:10 PM

I cannot believe anyone respects Michael Moore.

sinjin · Mar 27, 2003, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
...I finally got to see Michael Moore's press conference from after the Emmy's and loved every stinking second of it!

dig is correct.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 27, 2003, 08:15 PM

I have seen one of his Tv shows...hilarious but not the best documentary in the world..His "Columbine" filmdidnt get the Oscar for nothing.....his speech at the Oscar...gala...pefect just bleeding perfect that someone actullay stands up and actually uses the freedonm of speech that you always take such pride un defending....

Bluelight

digitalwanderer · Mar 27, 2003, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
I cannot believe anyone respects Michael Moore.

And just why the hell not? The man stands behind his principles, tries like hell to find out the truth, and isn't afraid to speak his opinion no matter how unpopular.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 27, 2003, 09:26 PM

I saw the face of Indiana Jones in the audience....he was smiling.....a big....smile while Moore spoke.

Bluelight

raid517 · Mar 27, 2003, 10:27 PM

Well it looks like Blair is now back pedalling on his insistence that the UN would be involved in the administration of post war Iraq from the start. Now instead there will definitely be a US imposed military governorship. There really does seem to be some people in this administration with a genuine stick up their asses over the UN. They have never taken it seriously from the start by making it clear on multiple occasions that no matter what happened at the UN there would be a war anyway. Now they are looking to marginalise it, or to perhaps even destroy it, by taking away what is one of its most fundamental roles, that of nation building and developing and promoting peaceful free democratic institutions. It is also now clear that any government imposed after the American and British military leave (whenever that may be, though I doubt it will be quick) is likely only to be selected from an American approved list of candidates and parties. There will be no, for example, fundamentalist Muslim candidates and no candidates from the extreme left in Iraq, of which there are several supportive factions. If any of these groups do attempt to gain office, they no doubt will instantly be threatened with military force and reminded of what happened last time an unpopular regime in the eyes of the US gained power in Iraq. No doubt other candidates will be vetted for their past allegiances and/or political sympathies too. What I wonder kind of democracy will that be? Also so far I have not seen the Iraqis lining the streets, or singing in joy, or throwing flowers in the path of our advancing troops. What I have seen is angry people shouting their opposition to the invasion (and I'm talking about the so called 'liberated' areas of Iraq) and basically telling our troops to bog off back to where they came from. I think what the US underestimated that as much as they hate Saddam Hussein they equally and utterly despise American and British involvement in their affairs.

As for the Oscars I think that is disgusting. Those who won were deliberately limited to 45 seconds in order to make a speech, just so that they didn't have enough time to say anything bad about this administration or the war. What on Earth is happening to the notion of free speech in America?

Here in the UK it wasn't much better. All the networks expressly refused to show Moor's speech for the first 32 hours after he made it - and it is only after a number of complaints were made that the speech was aired.

We have still not seen Moor's press conference in this country yet.

Personally I think he is a genius and has exposed countless acts of hypocrisy by the political classes in America and if you want an example of what true integrity is he is the best example I can imagine.

I am not surprised certain people here don't like him, because he regularly exposes everything they stand for. No doubt though there will be a concerted effort on behalf of the CIA to discredit him for expressing these views. What a fine example of freedom that will set.

Q

sinjin · Mar 27, 2003, 10:33 PM

this war serves 2 purposes. it gives the states an incredible amount of access to oil in iraq and more importantly the caspian sea fuel reserves....as well as raises public outcry over a domestic body/casulty list. after all is said and done, blair and bush will be able to pass more spending legisture on the military and toss in a few more amendments to rip apart our constitution which will infringe and out right take away our freedom and civil liberties for more 'security'.

the united nations signed a doctrine in quito in which in was agreed that the world's population should be capped at 500mil. that figure is determined to be just the right amount to keep us from sucking the earth dry of resources. its public record.

countries all over the world are slaughtering citizens and herding out thousands more and building camps to aid in the weeding out of our population. laws have been passed since the patriot act last year that allows the military and groups such as FEMA to gather us up into arenas and rebuilt hangers to do just this.

flouide, aspartame...they are toxins. which are added to our drinking water and just about every packaged food without our permission by the government. they cause cancer.

our leadership doesnt have our best interest in mind. instead they are money hungry and control freaks.

if you need me, i'll be building myself a houseboat.

raid517 · Mar 27, 2003, 10:56 PM

I think you mean five thousand million, or 5 Billion... 500 million would be nice... But it would mean that most of us would have to leave the planet...

As it stands its estimated that we currently need 3 and a half Earths to sustain the current world population levels. Pretty soon we will end up like a plague of locusts and will consume every valuable natural resource this planet has to offer.

What I wonder will the greedy people of this earth say then?

But oh well, it will be too late to worry about it I guess - and in any case this is probably a topic for another thread.

Q

raid517 · Mar 27, 2003, 11:54 PM

Now I seriously hope this doesn't happen. Are we vandals or liberators?

Q

digitalwanderer · Mar 28, 2003, 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by raid517
[IMG] Are we vandals or liberators?

Yes.

Falstaff · Mar 28, 2003, 06:06 AM

Certainly has the right to say anything he wants to about anyone he wants too, in America...you can be a crank, absurd, and even call yourself a creative genius, if you want to, as long as people keep visiting your websight.
Michael Moore keeps cranking out his "informaiton" and perspectives on things, he can enjoy all the freedoms that anyone else does...beyond that..he is no different than anyone else.
I think it is unfortunate that he decided to make his remarks during the Academy awards, since he certainly has lots of oppurtunities to do this anywhere else, I am afraid it will backfire on him..I have no respect for his remarks just for his feelings, he has the right to say he is unhappy about something. But he has no political clout, except within the sphere of his influence...I actually saw some of his documentaries and read some of his stuff, I wasn't impressed as much by what he had to say but more by the fact that it made it to the shelf of my favorite book store...
I think Michael Moore is creative, but so is a teenager with an attitude, with the exception of his very candid and touching eulogy for his mother, he contributes no more than any other person with a sense of humour, I hope he made someone giggle and laugh.....but not me..
As for his views on politics, "who cares"...
what contribution has he made to improve the world...
except taking cheap shots at politicians and those he doesn't like.
I hope he has more to contribute than his own diatribe on world events, we get enough of that anyway..
If he had real courage, he would have faced a group of his detracters..
but he decided to perform a kind of public urination on the Bush administration...and the war..
I would like to see some of these Oscar winners express concern about the people and put their money where their mouth is...
It is easy to bash politicians, and I am sure lots of those criticize, slept through the final balloting process and were shocked when they saw that their candidate didn't win....
Tony Blair is brilliant and a man of conviction, and Bush is well, firm in his resolve, and he will see this whole thing through. He is my president, whether I voted for him or not.
I laugh at little manufactured mpegs and video of both of them in some kind of embrace..
It isn't appropriate but who knows, maybe it will help the silent homophobes deal with their own fears and come out...into the light..I could care less.
I think there is a certain hypocracy in criticizing the government, but not really becoming part of the process, I suspect that many of the complainers are among those that wished they had...

Falstaff · Mar 28, 2003, 06:19 AM

One Moore stupid white man
With his factually challenged bestseller, Michael Moore becomes an unfortunate poster boy for dissent.
By Ben Fritz (ben@spinsanity.org)

Michael Moore's latest success might be his most remarkable. At a time when the public remains strongly supportive of the Bush administration -- and few dissenting voices have risen above the din -- his book "Stupid White Men" stands atop the New York Times bestseller list for a third week running.

And at a time when some Republican leaders are using Bush's popularity to equate any criticism of U.S. policy with treason, Moore's success should be a reason for any democracy-loving American to cheer.

It should be, but it isn't.

If you really want to know anything about M. Moore, visit his website..or read his latest, I did, and quietly dropped it into the used book store....sheesh

BWX · Mar 28, 2003, 06:25 AM

Michael Moore is a pathetic excuse for an American that will say anything for publicity and PROFIT.

toddsmack2k · Mar 28, 2003, 06:41 AM

Michael Moore can say whatever he wants wherever he wants. That is freedom of speech. However i put not one more ounce of clout in anything he says just because he is a actor. Who cares what he says he is just another human being like any of us. So he stood up there and spoke his mind whoopde doo, good for him its his right, but i dont personally think what he said means anything. Just more typical hollywood BS. I am glad they cut them off when they did it wasnt a show about personal beliefs in hollywood it was a award show. Nothing more as i believe most of them will go with whatever is the current anti-theme.

Falstaff · Mar 28, 2003, 06:59 AM

Read what the BBC said about his book, they admire his writing I suppose, but again, who cares, ha ha....Just watch the BBC news, it's almost like getting the National Inquirer to do a reality T.V. show and call it war coverage...I love the footage, but the dissinformation and slanted views are world renowned for enflaming world opinion, whether it is factual or not...

Oblivious · Mar 28, 2003, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Michael Moore is a pathetic excuse for an American that will say anything for publicity and PROFIT.

Excuse? I'm sorry i thought that is what America was all about? It's just that this guy makes an ass of himself at the same time.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 28, 2003, 05:28 PM

No he is not making an ass of himself.

He is using the rights that you are constantly using as arguments to protect your own interests.

When he does so and it is not in accordance with the ultra conservative politics (im starting to call things for what they are now....i dont care if they represent you or not...if you support them...then you are ultra conservatives to....) then...you claim people are making asses out of themselves.

This is not only an "American issue" about american ideals or anything similar.

It is an issue of a ultra conservative government conducting fundamentalist ultra conservative politics.

Moore did a good thing standing up saying what he thinks about that.

The ultra conservatives have enough space voicing their message 24 hours a day.

Having a problem with someone from "Ther other side" saying what he thinks....only shows how narrow minded the conservative side is.

Bluelight

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 28, 2003, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toddsmack2k
Michael Moore can say whatever he wants wherever he wants. That is freedom of speech. However i put not one more ounce of clout in anything he says just because he is a actor. Who cares what he says he is just another human being like any of us. So he stood up there and spoke his mind whoopde doo, good for him its his right, but i dont personally think what he said means anything. Just more typical hollywood BS. I am glad they cut them off when they did it wasnt a show about personal beliefs in hollywood it was a award show. Nothing more as i believe most of them will go with whatever is the current anti-theme.

And some will always follow the current without questioning.AS long as the gasoline refrigerators and ram memory aren`t to expensive

Bluelight

raid517 · Mar 28, 2003, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fallang_jeff
Read what the BBC said about his book, they admire his writing I suppose, but again, who cares, ha ha....Just watch the BBC news, it's almost like getting the National Inquirer to do a reality T.V. show and call it war coverage...I love the footage, but the disinformation and slanted views are world renowned for enflaming world opinion, whether it is factual or not...

In what way Jeff? A lot of people around the world rely on the BBC as their only independent source of news. Mind you, they did refuse to report on Moor's speech for the first 36 hours or so after it was made - and it took complaints from viewers before they opted to show it. They do only give one slant on the news, which is the allied slant, but oh well, propaganda is an inescapable consequence of war. I think we will all probably only get the real story when this war is over.

Q

digitalwanderer · Mar 28, 2003, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
No he is not making an ass of himself.

He is using the rights that you are constantly using as arguments to protect your owen interests.

When he does so and it is not...in accordance with the ultra conservative politics (im starting to call things for what they are now....dont care if they represent ypou or not...if you support them...then you are ultra conservatives to....) then...you claim people are making asses out of themselves.

This is not only an "American issue" about american ideals or anything similar.

It is an issue of a ultra conservative government conducting fundamentalist ultra conservative politics.

Moore did a good thing standing up saying what he thinks about that.

The ultra conservatives have enough space voicing their message 24 hours a day.

Having a problem with someone from "Ther other side" saying what he thinks....only shows how narrow minded the conservative side is.

Bluelight

Alright, BLUELIGHT IS BACK!

Good words, you express my feelings far better than I could. I'm getting tired of people accusing me of being anti-patriotic for questioning King George II and his actions/policies.

I ain't got nothing but respect for all our troops over there and wish them nothing but the best and a speedy return home safely, but I STILL think this whole war is the wrong path and I don't see why I shouldn't feel free to express myself.

It's just SOOO blatant, c'mon!

ToshiroOC · Mar 28, 2003, 07:40 PM

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We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

-- Herman Goering as related to Gustave Gilbert at the Nuremberg trials, from the book Nuremberg Diary.

Herman Goering:

Hermann Wilhelm Göring, b. Jan. 12, 1893, d. Oct. 19, 1946, was second only to Adolf Hitler in the German National Socialist regime and the one man in Hitler's inner circle with a distinguished social and military background. The son of the first German imperial commissioner of Southwest Africa, Göring was a highly decorated World War I flyer, having succeeded Manfred von Richthofen in command of the latter's famous air squadron. Captured by the Allies in 1945, he was tried as a major war criminal by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg . He was condemned to execution but cheated the hangman by taking poison.

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Makes you think, doesn't it?

raid517 · Mar 28, 2003, 08:10 PM

I heard that quote too. It seems some things never change... The mob can always be relied on to do the leaderships bidding.

Q

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 28, 2003, 09:38 PM

Im gonna steal that qoute and post it elswehere Toshiro.It has s valid point.

Bluelight

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 28, 2003, 09:40 PM

3,7-Dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione???

Not very good at chemistry....Whats this?
Raspberry soda?

Bluelight

ToshiroOC · Mar 28, 2003, 11:42 PM

Caffeine

And bluelight - you are welcome to the quote. Makes people think - and thats always a good thing.

Falstaff · Mar 29, 2003, 04:13 AM

I am curious why you would use a quote from him? He is a poor reference in my opinion. I wonder if everyone else knows what kind of person GOERING really was, I understood him to be a poor planner, a poorer general, and a thief and drug abuser, is this an analogy? or intellectual popcorn..

toddsmack2k · Mar 29, 2003, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluelight
And some will always follow the current without questioning.AS long as the gasoline refrigerators and ram memory aren`t to expensive

Bluelight

I am saying that i dont care what he said good for him that he spoke up. The point being who cares he is no one special to me why make a big deal about what he done and said? As far as questioning goes the same applies to no one cared about anything but the economy when clinton wa in office also. Yeah we were guilty of it. No on gave a damn about anything but their 401k's growing and the economy going thru the roof for a few years. No one gave any care to actually do any research on any of there investments or anything else outside of money. Then what happened a major collapse. So yeah some people are shortsighted but not ALL OF US!!!

Mar 27, 2003, 07:09 PM	#1
sinjin the last samurai Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,086 Rep Power: 0	bush and blair anyone watch these two puppets give their news conference from camp david this morning? an endless love...(4mb) __________________

Mar 27, 2003, 07:26 PM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	No, but... ...I finally got to see Michael Moore's press conference from after the Emmy's and loved every stinking second of it! __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Mar 27, 2003, 07:46 PM	#3
FuNsTeR Caledonian and Proud Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Darkest Ayrshire Posts: 1,305 Rep Power: 88 System Specs	already posted that ages ago sinjin .. in the off topic forum ... still makes me p1ss masel laughing __________________ "They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Mar 27, 2003, 10:33 PM	Thread Starter #10
sinjin the last samurai Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,086 Rep Power: 0	this war serves 2 purposes. it gives the states an incredible amount of access to oil in iraq and more importantly the caspian sea fuel reserves....as well as raises public outcry over a domestic body/casulty list. after all is said and done, blair and bush will be able to pass more spending legisture on the military and toss in a few more amendments to rip apart our constitution which will infringe and out right take away our freedom and civil liberties for more 'security'. the united nations signed a doctrine in quito in which in was agreed that the world's population should be capped at 500mil. that figure is determined to be just the right amount to keep us from sucking the earth dry of resources. its public record. countries all over the world are slaughtering citizens and herding out thousands more and building camps to aid in the weeding out of our population. laws have been passed since the patriot act last year that allows the military and groups such as FEMA to gather us up into arenas and rebuilt hangers to do just this. flouide, aspartame...they are toxins. which are added to our drinking water and just about every packaged food without our permission by the government. they cause cancer. our leadership doesnt have our best interest in mind. instead they are money hungry and control freaks. if you need me, i'll be building myself a houseboat. __________________

Mar 28, 2003, 06:06 AM	#14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Michael Moore (who cares) Certainly has the right to say anything he wants to about anyone he wants too, in America...you can be a crank, absurd, and even call yourself a creative genius, if you want to, as long as people keep visiting your websight. Michael Moore keeps cranking out his "informaiton" and perspectives on things, he can enjoy all the freedoms that anyone else does...beyond that..he is no different than anyone else. I think it is unfortunate that he decided to make his remarks during the Academy awards, since he certainly has lots of oppurtunities to do this anywhere else, I am afraid it will backfire on him..I have no respect for his remarks just for his feelings, he has the right to say he is unhappy about something. But he has no political clout, except within the sphere of his influence...I actually saw some of his documentaries and read some of his stuff, I wasn't impressed as much by what he had to say but more by the fact that it made it to the shelf of my favorite book store... I think Michael Moore is creative, but so is a teenager with an attitude, with the exception of his very candid and touching eulogy for his mother, he contributes no more than any other person with a sense of humour, I hope he made someone giggle and laugh.....but not me.. As for his views on politics, "who cares"... what contribution has he made to improve the world... except taking cheap shots at politicians and those he doesn't like. I hope he has more to contribute than his own diatribe on world events, we get enough of that anyway.. If he had real courage, he would have faced a group of his detracters.. but he decided to perform a kind of public urination on the Bush administration...and the war.. I would like to see some of these Oscar winners express concern about the people and put their money where their mouth is... It is easy to bash politicians, and I am sure lots of those criticize, slept through the final balloting process and were shocked when they saw that their candidate didn't win.... Tony Blair is brilliant and a man of conviction, and Bush is well, firm in his resolve, and he will see this whole thing through. He is my president, whether I voted for him or not. I laugh at little manufactured mpegs and video of both of them in some kind of embrace.. It isn't appropriate but who knows, maybe it will help the silent homophobes deal with their own fears and come out...into the light..I could care less. I think there is a certain hypocracy in criticizing the government, but not really becoming part of the process, I suspect that many of the complainers are among those that wished they had...

Mar 27, 2003, 08:10 PM	#4
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	I cannot believe anyone respects Michael Moore.

Mar 27, 2003, 08:15 PM	#6
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	I have seen one of his Tv shows...hilarious but not the best documentary in the world..His "Columbine" filmdidnt get the Oscar for nothing.....his speech at the Oscar...gala...pefect just bleeding perfect that someone actullay stands up and actually uses the freedonm of speech that you always take such pride un defending.... Bluelight

Mar 27, 2003, 09:26 PM	#8
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	I saw the face of Indiana Jones in the audience....he was smiling.....a big....smile while Moore spoke. Bluelight

Mar 27, 2003, 10:27 PM	#9
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well it looks like Blair is now back pedalling on his insistence that the UN would be involved in the administration of post war Iraq from the start. Now instead there will definitely be a US imposed military governorship. There really does seem to be some people in this administration with a genuine stick up their asses over the UN. They have never taken it seriously from the start by making it clear on multiple occasions that no matter what happened at the UN there would be a war anyway. Now they are looking to marginalise it, or to perhaps even destroy it, by taking away what is one of its most fundamental roles, that of nation building and developing and promoting peaceful free democratic institutions. It is also now clear that any government imposed after the American and British military leave (whenever that may be, though I doubt it will be quick) is likely only to be selected from an American approved list of candidates and parties. There will be no, for example, fundamentalist Muslim candidates and no candidates from the extreme left in Iraq, of which there are several supportive factions. If any of these groups do attempt to gain office, they no doubt will instantly be threatened with military force and reminded of what happened last time an unpopular regime in the eyes of the US gained power in Iraq. No doubt other candidates will be vetted for their past allegiances and/or political sympathies too. What I wonder kind of democracy will that be? Also so far I have not seen the Iraqis lining the streets, or singing in joy, or throwing flowers in the path of our advancing troops. What I have seen is angry people shouting their opposition to the invasion (and I'm talking about the so called 'liberated' areas of Iraq) and basically telling our troops to bog off back to where they came from. I think what the US underestimated that as much as they hate Saddam Hussein they equally and utterly despise American and British involvement in their affairs. As for the Oscars I think that is disgusting. Those who won were deliberately limited to 45 seconds in order to make a speech, just so that they didn't have enough time to say anything bad about this administration or the war. What on Earth is happening to the notion of free speech in America? Here in the UK it wasn't much better. All the networks expressly refused to show Moor's speech for the first 32 hours after he made it - and it is only after a number of complaints were made that the speech was aired. We have still not seen Moor's press conference in this country yet. Personally I think he is a genius and has exposed countless acts of hypocrisy by the political classes in America and if you want an example of what true integrity is he is the best example I can imagine. I am not surprised certain people here don't like him, because he regularly exposes everything they stand for. No doubt though there will be a concerted effort on behalf of the CIA to discredit him for expressing these views. What a fine example of freedom that will set. Q

Mar 27, 2003, 10:56 PM	#11
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	I think you mean five thousand million, or 5 Billion... 500 million would be nice... But it would mean that most of us would have to leave the planet... As it stands its estimated that we currently need 3 and a half Earths to sustain the current world population levels. Pretty soon we will end up like a plague of locusts and will consume every valuable natural resource this planet has to offer. What I wonder will the greedy people of this earth say then? But oh well, it will be too late to worry about it I guess - and in any case this is probably a topic for another thread. Q

Mar 27, 2003, 11:54 PM	#12
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Now I seriously hope this doesn't happen. Are we vandals or liberators? Q

Mar 28, 2003, 06:19 AM	#15
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	One Moore stupid white man One Moore stupid white man With his factually challenged bestseller, Michael Moore becomes an unfortunate poster boy for dissent. By Ben Fritz (ben@spinsanity.org) Michael Moore's latest success might be his most remarkable. At a time when the public remains strongly supportive of the Bush administration -- and few dissenting voices have risen above the din -- his book "Stupid White Men" stands atop the New York Times bestseller list for a third week running. And at a time when some Republican leaders are using Bush's popularity to equate any criticism of U.S. policy with treason, Moore's success should be a reason for any democracy-loving American to cheer. It should be, but it isn't. If you really want to know anything about M. Moore, visit his website..or read his latest, I did, and quietly dropped it into the used book store....sheesh

Mar 28, 2003, 06:25 AM	#16
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Michael Moore is a pathetic excuse for an American that will say anything for publicity and PROFIT.

Mar 28, 2003, 06:41 AM	#17
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	Michael Moore can say whatever he wants wherever he wants. That is freedom of speech. However i put not one more ounce of clout in anything he says just because he is a actor. Who cares what he says he is just another human being like any of us. So he stood up there and spoke his mind whoopde doo, good for him its his right, but i dont personally think what he said means anything. Just more typical hollywood BS. I am glad they cut them off when they did it wasnt a show about personal beliefs in hollywood it was a award show. Nothing more as i believe most of them will go with whatever is the current anti-theme. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Mar 28, 2003, 06:59 AM	#18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Really want to waste some time Read what the BBC said about his book, they admire his writing I suppose, but again, who cares, ha ha....Just watch the BBC news, it's almost like getting the National Inquirer to do a reality T.V. show and call it war coverage...I love the footage, but the dissinformation and slanted views are world renowned for enflaming world opinion, whether it is factual or not... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 28, 2003, 05:28 PM	#20
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	No he is not making an ass of himself. He is using the rights that you are constantly using as arguments to protect your own interests. When he does so and it is not in accordance with the ultra conservative politics (im starting to call things for what they are now....i dont care if they represent you or not...if you support them...then you are ultra conservatives to....) then...you claim people are making asses out of themselves. This is not only an "American issue" about american ideals or anything similar. It is an issue of a ultra conservative government conducting fundamentalist ultra conservative politics. Moore did a good thing standing up saying what he thinks about that. The ultra conservatives have enough space voicing their message 24 hours a day. Having a problem with someone from "Ther other side" saying what he thinks....only shows how narrow minded the conservative side is. Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Mar 28, 2003 at 07:23 PM.

Mar 28, 2003, 08:10 PM	#25
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	I heard that quote too. It seems some things never change... The mob can always be relied on to do the leaderships bidding. Q

Mar 28, 2003, 09:38 PM	#26
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	Im gonna steal that qoute and post it elswehere Toshiro.It has s valid point. Bluelight

Mar 28, 2003, 09:40 PM	#27
~~bluelight~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,328 Rep Power: 0	3,7-Dihydro-1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6-dione??? Not very good at chemistry....Whats this? Raspberry soda? Bluelight

Mar 28, 2003, 11:42 PM	#28
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Caffeine And bluelight - you are welcome to the quote. Makes people think - and thats always a good thing. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 29, 2003, 04:13 AM	#29
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Why GOERING? I am curious why you would use a quote from him? He is a poor reference in my opinion. I wonder if everyone else knows what kind of person GOERING really was, I understood him to be a poor planner, a poorer general, and a thief and drug abuser, is this an analogy? or intellectual popcorn.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."