%5 US soldiers killed.

~~SH4President~~ · Mar 29, 2003, 12:19 PM

5 US soldiers killed in suicideattack.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, wounder if this gonna happen more times when the coalition go into Bhagdad?
But it should be easy, Bhagdad only got 5,6 millions citizens.

100 000 of these will be soldiers in civilian clothes.

Falstaff · Mar 29, 2003, 01:07 PM

This is getting uglier and uglier....

~~SH4President~~ · Mar 29, 2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fallang_jeff
This is getting uglier and uglier....

Well, what did you ecspect??
This is war.
And I dont see how killing 4 Us soldiers is uglier than bombing 50 civilians too death.

dipstick · Mar 29, 2003, 05:20 PM

And you know for a fact that the bomb was from the US side???
What's uglier is that they use human shields and that they shot their own people trying to leave

~~Optimummind~~ · Mar 29, 2003, 05:34 PM

Yeah, how do you know the bomb was from U.S.? In the news, it says that according to intelligence, the bomb might have actually come from Iraq. And you know Saddam wouldn't hesitate to bomb his own people.

GOG · Mar 29, 2003, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
Yeah, how do you know the bomb was from U.S.? In the news, it says that according to intelligence, the bomb might have actually come from Iraq. And you know Saddam wouldn't hesitate to bomb his own people.

"Intelligence"?, Are these the same guys that made a British plane and a bus with Syrian civilians targets?

~~SH4President~~ · Mar 29, 2003, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
Yeah, how do you know the bomb was from U.S.? In the news, it says that according to intelligence, the bomb might have actually come from Iraq. And you know Saddam wouldn't hesitate to bomb his own people.

You are saying that the US dont know where their bombs are dropping?

They cant know if they are saying that it might have been an Iraqi bomb.
And for the news, what news are you reading?
I bet its american newscover like CNN?
Am I right?
I can only tell you that they arent telling the hole picture.
Did you know for instance that coalition troops has been halted on there way too Bhagdad?
And that they will stand still now for 4-6 days?
And one reason for this is that the logistics aint working. For instance the US-troop usually get 3 package of food per day, and now they get 1 package of food per day!!
Have they told you that on CNN?
Have they told you on CNN about the 3 Brittish reporters that were gunned down by US troops?

FuNsTeR · Mar 29, 2003, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
Yeah, how do you know the bomb was from U.S.? In the news, it says that according to intelligence, the bomb might have actually come from Iraq. And you know Saddam wouldn't hesitate to bomb his own people.

that wouldn't be the same intelligance network that told its bombers to target the Chineese Embassy in Belgrade ... US Intelligance is akin to the keystone coppers

Falstaff · Mar 30, 2003, 04:13 AM

we intionally bombed the chinese embassy? I have given it lots of thought, good or bad intelligence, we hit the building we were aiming for..

raid517 · Mar 30, 2003, 05:48 AM

Well they used billion dollar satellite technology to determine suitable targets... But really why bother, when they could have just looked up their targets in that years copy of the Belgrade Yellow Pages?

Lol military intelligence, aren't those two words pretty much a contradiction in terms? I'll tell you a little story about how smart the military are. In the old days when the first H-bombs were developed pilots of early versions of B52s were schooled in a bomb run technique. This technique basically involved them undertaking a long run up toward their target before dropping their bombs and then immediately after their weapons had been released, they had to do a fairly radical twisting loop that enabled them to avoid the blast from the bomb and to head back in the direction from which they came. However tests later showed that this manoeuvre placed a lot of stress on the aircraft's wings and usually resulted in potentially dangerous stress fractures. The manoeuvre was therefore abandoned. Now can anyone see the flaw in this chain of reasoning yet? Either they do the manoeuvre and potentially save their own lives, albeit with a possibly damaged airplane, or they continue on a level path and fly straight into the blast wave of the bomb and thereby face certain destruction. So given this dilemma what did the military do? Yep, they decided that because the manoeuvre was too risky it should be abandoned - and instead the pilots should fly straight into the blast wave. Now that's what you call smart...

Q

~~Optimummind~~ · Mar 30, 2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
Well they used billion dollar satellite technology to determine suitable targets... But really why bother, when they could have just looked up their targets in that years copy of the Belgrade Yellow Pages? Lol military intelligence, aren't those two words pretty much a contradiction in terms? I'll tell you a little story about how smart the military are. In the old days when the first H-bombs were developed pilots of early versions of B52s were schooled in a bomb run technique. This technique basically involved them undertaking a long run up toward their target before dropping their bombs and then immediately after their weapons had been released, they had to do a fairly radical twisting loop that enabled them to avoid the blast from the bomb and to head back in the direction from which they came. However tests later showed that this manoeuvre placed a lot of stress on the aircraft's wings and usually resulted in potentially dangerous stress fractures. The manoeuvre was therefore abandoned. Now can anyone see the flaw in this chain of reasoning yet? Either they do the manoeuvre and potentially save their own lives, albeit with a possibly damaged airplane, or they continue on a level path and fly straight into the blast wave of the bomb and thereby face certain destruction. So given this dilemma what did the military do? Yep, they decided that because the manoeuvre was too risky it should be abandoned - and instead the pilots should fly straight into the blast wave. Now that's what you call smart...

Q

So, what's your point? That was the old days. These days they use different procedures. Are you some kinda old fogy or something? All these irrelevant stuff spewing from your mouth. Go to school, ignoramus.

~~Optimummind~~ · Mar 30, 2003, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SH4President
You are saying that the US dont know where their bombs are dropping?
They cant know if they are saying that it might have been an Iraqi bomb.
And for the news, what news are you reading?
I bet its american newscover like CNN?
Am I right?
I can only tell you that they arent telling the hole picture.
Did you know for instance that coalition troops has been halted on there way too Bhagdad?
And that they will stand still now for 4-6 days?
And one reason for this is that the logistics aint working. For instance the US-troop usually get 3 package of food per day, and now they get 1 package of food per day!!
Have they told you that on CNN?
Have they told you on CNN about the 3 Brittish reporters that were gunned down by US troops?

Uh...CNN actually did report all that stuff..you camel lover!!

Vampyromaniac · Mar 30, 2003, 09:09 AM

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=12735

ToshiroOC · Mar 30, 2003, 09:29 AM

Optimummind, please refer to the link that Vampy kindly provided, and refrain from ANY personal attacks in the future, joking or not. We want this forum to be a safe and friendly place for everyone, and those posts are not conducive towards the helpful environment that we strive to achieve here at Driverheaven.

~~bluelight~~ · Mar 30, 2003, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
So, what's your point? That was the old days. These days they use different procedures. Are you some kinda old fogy or something? All these irrelevant stuff spewing from your mouth. Go to school, ignoramus.

Yeah i figure that is why you managed to kill 50 civilia s i a square where there was no target.

Technology...the humane war...forget it...it is just aprt of the warmongers propaganda.

Most wars has been portrayed when they were to be sold to the public as humane...they werent and this one isnt either.

Bluelight

raid517 · Mar 30, 2003, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
So, what's your point? That was the old days. These days they use different procedures. Are you some kinda old fogy or something? All these irrelevant stuff spewing from your mouth. Go to school, ignoramus.

Oh dear, it looks like we've got another byteme on our hands... Its called irony dude, though I don't expect you to appreciate this. It is also an example of how some people in the military at times have sh*t for brains. I could say how I think certain people around here have sh*t for brains too, but as TC said this is supposed to be an open, friendly forum - and if you want to descend to that level I suggest you take it to the Flame Warzone and leave it there. We have a special place on DH for 'debaters' like you.

Q

GOG · Mar 30, 2003, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
Uh...CNN actually did report all that stuff..you camel lover!!

What's wrong with camels? A little strong for my taste, even with filter.

Falstaff · Mar 30, 2003, 08:13 PM

A horse designed by committee, haha.....

Falstaff · Mar 30, 2003, 08:14 PM

has byteme reemerged, reincarnated? oh my god I just mentioned his name, and typed it too....aaaagh.....wheres the soap, calling my analyst....ha ha

raid517 · Mar 30, 2003, 09:41 PM

Well he walks like ByteMe, he talks like ByteMe, hell he even does hit and run insults like ByteMe where he makes a remark, or insults someone and then sometimes doesn't repond again for days. Erm.. ByteMe... are you there...?

Q

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Optimummind, please refer to the link that Vampy kindly provided, and refrain from ANY personal attacks in the future, joking or not. We want this forum to be a safe and friendly place for everyone, and those posts are not conducive towards the helpful environment that we strive to achieve here at Driverheaven.

Jesus, you pervert. If someone calls you an "animal lover" is it an insult? It could be... it just depends on how you take it. You turd burglar. As an example THAT was an insult. See the difference?

raid517 · Mar 31, 2003, 04:46 AM

Erm sooo Byte, are you saying that TC actually goes hunting in other people's houses simply to steal the odd floating turd from them? As far as I am able to understand it, that its what a 'turd burglar' would be.

Lot Byte, you sure do like to push the envelope.

Nice to see you dropped your fake name though...

Q

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 04:50 AM

The other "fake" was not me. I always use this nick.

raid517 · Mar 31, 2003, 04:58 AM

Lol.

Q

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
Lol.

Q

I'll buy you a beer if you'll drink somewhere else?

an edit?

raid517 · Mar 31, 2003, 05:03 AM

Yeah well Byte, for a second I forgot we weren't in the flame warzone. But you do make that very easy to forget.

Q

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by raid517
Yeah well Byte, for a second I forgot we weren't in the flame warzone. But you do make that very easy to forget.

Q

Stop it, you'll get me banned. Ever see zar in leather?

ToshiroOC · Mar 31, 2003, 05:15 AM

Look, Byteme, we are trying to have a nice CIVIL and FRIENDLY political debate forum here. That precludes any insulting, or anything that is likely to be insulting or offense to someone, no matter how joking. Oh, and my moderator-sixth-sense tells me that Byteme and Optimummind aren't the same person.

EDIT: Wow, you guys posted 4 times since I first saw what Byteme said...

EDIT: One more post that is completely off topic, and I close the thread. Please, just stay on topic, and if you simply must say something off-topic, go to the off-topic or the FW, whichever is the most appropriate for what you need to say.

EDIT: Byteme, I'll be in the IRC for an hour or so. If you want to talk about this, you're welcome to come into there.

~~ByteMe~~ · Mar 31, 2003, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Look, Byteme, we are trying to have a nice CIVIL and FRIENDLY political debate forum here. That precludes any insulting, or anything that is likely to be insulting or offense to someone, no matter how joking. Oh, and my moderator-sixth-sense tells me that Byteme and Optimummind aren't the same person.

EDIT: Wow, you guys posted 4 times since I first saw what Byteme said...

wow, your just tooo slow. If I was real careful to not offend anyone.... I couldn't say anything. (shut up people that think THAT would be a good idea)

Falstaff · Mar 31, 2003, 06:16 AM

must be something here to make him disappear...wheres buffy when you need her...

Mar 29, 2003, 12:19 PM	#1
~~SH4President~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 111 Rep Power: 0	%5 US soldiers killed. 5 US soldiers killed in suicideattack. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, wounder if this gonna happen more times when the coalition go into Bhagdad? But it should be easy, Bhagdad only got 5,6 millions citizens. 100 000 of these will be soldiers in civilian clothes.

Mar 29, 2003, 01:07 PM	#2
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	yep This is getting uglier and uglier.... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 30, 2003, 04:13 AM	#9
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	would it surprise you if we intionally bombed the chinese embassy? I have given it lots of thought, good or bad intelligence, we hit the building we were aiming for.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 30, 2003, 09:09 AM	#13
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Optimummind http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showthre...threadid=12735

Mar 30, 2003, 09:29 AM	#14
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Optimummind, please refer to the link that Vampy kindly provided, and refrain from ANY personal attacks in the future, joking or not. We want this forum to be a safe and friendly place for everyone, and those posts are not conducive towards the helpful environment that we strive to achieve here at Driverheaven. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 29, 2003, 05:20 PM	#4
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	And you know for a fact that the bomb was from the US side??? What's uglier is that they use human shields and that they shot their own people trying to leave

Mar 29, 2003, 05:34 PM	#5
~~Optimummind~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orange, California Posts: 632 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, how do you know the bomb was from U.S.? In the news, it says that according to intelligence, the bomb might have actually come from Iraq. And you know Saddam wouldn't hesitate to bomb his own people.

Mar 30, 2003, 05:48 AM	#10
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well they used billion dollar satellite technology to determine suitable targets... But really why bother, when they could have just looked up their targets in that years copy of the Belgrade Yellow Pages? Lol military intelligence, aren't those two words pretty much a contradiction in terms? I'll tell you a little story about how smart the military are. In the old days when the first H-bombs were developed pilots of early versions of B52s were schooled in a bomb run technique. This technique basically involved them undertaking a long run up toward their target before dropping their bombs and then immediately after their weapons had been released, they had to do a fairly radical twisting loop that enabled them to avoid the blast from the bomb and to head back in the direction from which they came. However tests later showed that this manoeuvre placed a lot of stress on the aircraft's wings and usually resulted in potentially dangerous stress fractures. The manoeuvre was therefore abandoned. Now can anyone see the flaw in this chain of reasoning yet? Either they do the manoeuvre and potentially save their own lives, albeit with a possibly damaged airplane, or they continue on a level path and fly straight into the blast wave of the bomb and thereby face certain destruction. So given this dilemma what did the military do? Yep, they decided that because the manoeuvre was too risky it should be abandoned - and instead the pilots should fly straight into the blast wave. Now that's what you call smart... Q

Mar 30, 2003, 08:13 PM	#18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Camels are.... A horse designed by committee, haha..... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 30, 2003, 08:14 PM	#19
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	RAID 517 has byteme reemerged, reincarnated? oh my god I just mentioned his name, and typed it too....aaaagh.....wheres the soap, calling my analyst....ha ha __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Mar 30, 2003, 09:41 PM	#20
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well he walks like ByteMe, he talks like ByteMe, hell he even does hit and run insults like ByteMe where he makes a remark, or insults someone and then sometimes doesn't repond again for days. Erm.. ByteMe... are you there...? Q

Mar 31, 2003, 04:46 AM	#22
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Erm sooo Byte, are you saying that TC actually goes hunting in other people's houses simply to steal the odd floating turd from them? As far as I am able to understand it, that its what a 'turd burglar' would be. Lot Byte, you sure do like to push the envelope. Nice to see you dropped your fake name though... Q

Mar 31, 2003, 04:50 AM	#23
~~ByteMe~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 0	The other "fake" was not me. I always use this nick.

Mar 31, 2003, 04:58 AM	#24
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Lol. Q

Mar 31, 2003, 05:03 AM	#26
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Yeah well Byte, for a second I forgot we weren't in the flame warzone. But you do make that very easy to forget. Q

Mar 31, 2003, 05:15 AM	#28
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Look, Byteme, we are trying to have a nice CIVIL and FRIENDLY political debate forum here. That precludes any insulting, or anything that is likely to be insulting or offense to someone, no matter how joking. Oh, and my moderator-sixth-sense tells me that Byteme and Optimummind aren't the same person. EDIT: Wow, you guys posted 4 times since I first saw what Byteme said... EDIT: One more post that is completely off topic, and I close the thread. Please, just stay on topic, and if you simply must say something off-topic, go to the off-topic or the FW, whichever is the most appropriate for what you need to say. EDIT: Byteme, I'll be in the IRC for an hour or so. If you want to talk about this, you're welcome to come into there. __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Mar 31, 2003, 06:16 AM	#30
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	going through the book of spells must be something here to make him disappear...wheres buffy when you need her... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."