raid517

Well they pretty much hate American's already, so your going to have to go an awful long way to impress them. Generally America doesn't tend to care too much what happens after a war is over and the initial outlay for this thing is going to be massive. $100 billion plus is the estimated cost of this first phase of the war. Will America and Americans want to keep paying after the war is over? And the longer America stays the more she will be hated and the more suicide attacks and armed resistance there will be. So I don't see how winning is possible. If you stay you will be hated for occupying Arab land. If you leave you will be accused of abandoning Iraqi's to their fate. Either way you will still be hated.

The best move of all was not to play the game in the fist place.

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ByteMe

I hope we stay and fix Iraq right. If we didn't "play" then we would be guaranteed more events like 9/11. Since half of them hate us now we have little to lose by trying to fix Iraq.

Why is it that more people are willing to fight the USA outside Iraq than inside it?

raid517

That aint the way to fix anything Byte. Blair was promised that he would have the UN involved in reconstructing Iraq from the start and that they would be involved in overseeing the democratic institutions in the post war era and that Bush would push progress on a road map towards peace in Israel and the Middle East. I doubt he will get either. Fail these two tests and there will be many more instances like 9/11 that you ever imagined possible. Fail the second test especially - and this whole war will have been utterly meaningless.

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Falstaff

We care man, we care....we will try to create a framework for IRAQ to rebuild itself, that is the best way...but tribal difference may tear the entire thing apart...

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The_Neon_Cowboy

western media, eastern media, british media, all around the world with internet the world is my oyster ......


I belive the may be killed on accident, or if the put in and around millitary targets then Yes... I don thik they just be gunned down.... Now if thier holding weapons I fully support shoot first ask questions later....


Fact is the coalition bombed a building where there were buildng full of 200+ Iraqy soldgers in a meeting .... and there has not been any indipendant comformation and by time there is you et the Iraqs will have altered the seen to match thier story.
There stoy is also that there is 6 MO. food and water in every city and viliage avaiable now (now thats a plain out lie you wanna belive that too)

like those who did the sept 11th atack said "allah be prasied" before the crshed into the twin towers... they belive killing them selfs and takeing as many innocent lives with them with give them a better palce in the afterlife.

yes but for all the wrong reasons .... "The best move of all was not to play the game in the fist place" tell that to saddam


Yea they wanting to fight agenast SADDOM not the U.S. ..... the flag waving happy welcome Rumsfield expected is still happing try watching cnn live reports from the field useing video phones etc... the happy crowds greeting soldgers .... yea some tend not to be to joyful considering that for example a woman waved at soldgers and was later hung for it!


and how many have been killed by saddon/iraq? a whole lot more where the how many people killed by sadam and his goverment website????

I also love the qute in the rencent talk form iraq says quoteing french book and french arthor ... ge wiz could had a better commercial


for that matter the serians,french,germans,russians,china, etc whould stop sellig the arms, nightvision, weapons/tech ect.... the was a huge shipment of martar shells headed most likely to Iraq sezed in italy becouse the papers were forged. we seen russian tanks, scuds, frogs... chinese ship to ship misles debraree still had the chinese markings/writeing on it.... it seems that those contrys like saddom in power and are trying to help him....

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raid517

Saddam wasn't playing the game. As far as I remember it was the US who insisted on taking the game to him.

Well I do watch CNN dude, and I haven't seen them singing and dancing yet. At the start I saw pictures of four old guys who looked like they had been asked to dance for their next meal. But so far that's it, In any case its hardly the outpouring of joy that a lot of people seem to have expected.

And your way off the mark about these guys if you think they're crossing the border to fight Saddam. I watched the interviews and those traffic jams with buses full of young men returning to Iraq all said they were returning to defend their country against the invaders. Now I don't like that either, but I can understand it. What if someone you hated were elected as president? Would you welcome in a foreign army to liberate and occupy your country in order to get rid of them? Or would you take up arms to defend your country. I don't really see where there is any choice in this. The Iraqis are only doing what any other right thinking person would. They care about their country and would do anything to defend it, particularly against an invader most Arabs see as an embodiment of satanic principals. Would you welcome the devil into your country to get rid of an evil dictator? Even if you did, you would want him to get the hell out asap.

I don't know about the rest of what you said. It was a very long post and I am tired.

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Falstaff

Take a break man...I'm listening to the Grateful Dead...Blues for allah, ha ha....goodnight

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GOG

Uhm Jeff, it's "stor Svensk" not "stor Svenska", "Svenska" means our female inhabitants, "Svensk" our males

Falstaff

Grandpa might have been picking on me, ha ha

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