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Apr 2, 2003, 06:21 AM
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He's been sacked before
Like some Javaman said before, he can still speak his mind, his audience isn't really diminished anymore than it already is, and it's about time for him to go, and the Geraldo Rivera too, ha ha...
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Apr 2, 2003, 06:21 AM
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Beacause NBC loves what he said- they held on until they started taking the heat, then boom- they canned him. They are going to try to "show" they disagree with what he said be firing him. You know NBC knew what he was going to say the whole time, they just didn't think it would cross the line. It did, and they sacrificed the reporter, simple- now they know where the line is.
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Apr 2, 2003, 06:24 AM
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Yep its pretty far right of centre...
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Apr 2, 2003, 06:28 AM
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Apr 2, 2003, 06:46 AM
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DOH!
oooooooo, I am gonna use that one, ha ha....now now....this will digress into snappy comebacks and "your momma jokes"
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Apr 2, 2003, 07:15 AM
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Yes Peter Arnett has been sacked before.
He was actually sacked by CNN after Pentagon had explained to CNN that if they kept Arnett on their payroll....CNN would be forbidden to report from Iraq by Pentagon. That is what is generally refered to as "Freedom of speech" and i think you generally think very higly of yourselves for this..."Freedom of speech"...yeah...right. Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Apr 2, 2003 at 07:53 AM. |
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Apr 2, 2003, 07:18 AM
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Peter Arnett is one of the few Amrican journalists that arent led like a dog by your establishment.Of course it must be seen to that he cant do what he has successfully done for 20 years. Bluelight |
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Apr 2, 2003, 07:52 AM
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Yeah they know that in an empire you do as the emperor says.If not.....no dough... Bluelight |
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Apr 2, 2003, 08:01 AM
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Like dogs
hardly, He isn't a moutthpiece for anyone except his own agenda, that is why he gets into so much trouble sometimes. He can still say anything he wants, but not without impunity of course. He should work for someone that isn't concerned about advertisers dropping support, thats capitalism man, he has to know where the line is. .....Emperor who?, perhaps his own boss I suppose...
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Apr 2, 2003, 08:17 AM
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Re: NBC Fires Peter Arnett Over Iraqi TV Interview
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Apr 2, 2003, 08:17 AM
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Yeah that is capitalism....freedom of speech can be directed...cut off...by bargaining with money...and yes ultimatly the Pentagon stopped him from working at the CNN...
Well Jeff to me that isnt Freedom of speech. To me that is corporate dictatorship. If the same thing had happened in my country......the corporation for who he worked...would have taken up fight against the government unless a totally obvious tresspass had taken place. That is more like ...freedom of speech to me....media...are never ever to eat from the hands of the rulers. The emperor...well his name is Bush and he behaves like one. Bluelight |
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Apr 2, 2003, 11:37 AM
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I really enjoyed watching him. I hope NBC/MSNBC & NGE rehire him.
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Apr 2, 2003, 12:08 PM
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I just read that he has been hired by a British major media company.
That probably means he will go on reporting from Iraq. He will no more be reflecting the official American version of this. Good. Bluelight |
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Apr 2, 2003, 02:43 PM
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Peter Arnett this and Peter Arnett that, read his bio, read his history (with the press) he wasn't warmly embraced by many. And nothing he said or did was any different than his contemporarys. I say with some validation that he wasn't appreciated by Americans for years..I am glad someone put his wet nose in his own excrement for a change, he isn't an institution, just a news reporter and he used to be a respected journalist..
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Apr 2, 2003, 05:42 PM
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The important is not Peter Arnett .The important is that some of your media is led by your government and sees making money more important than looking for the truth.
Why else would Fox Cnn etc etc refuse to sell ad space to antiwar organisations? Independent media ..is one of the most important things i a nation,Sacking a journalist for tne reasons Arnett was sacked..(for saying what evryone..including Iraq knows) is weird . Also refusing actors contracts and telling them to shut up.....is also ....weird...for a democracy. Bluelight |
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Apr 2, 2003, 06:58 PM
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Apr 2, 2003, 08:36 PM
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Actors and Newscasters or reporters. have incredible egos, and where you might think that their strong commitmet to pricipals and values plays such a great role in their lives might be diminished by the knowlege that it's the money and the prestige that drive them....I am not altruistic and neither are the media and their representatives...but in America they enjoy unprescedented latitude when it comes to reporting. But they have to collect a paycheck too....
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Apr 2, 2003, 09:07 PM
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Jeff...excuse me....but..you are wrong.
The actors that strive for money in your country....are keeping their mouths fairly shut...or they join the choir that sings praise to Bush. You do not have the situation you had during the Mc Carthy era but...at that time...all of those that "talked" had their careers destroyed and it wasnt until McCarthy was gone that they were accepted again. You are right that actors have big egos. Thats what they are paid to have and it is part of why...they are actors. Having a big ego doesnt necessarliy mean having no mind . BWX....says "poor misgiuded souls"... As if he was a priest...i know this war is like religion to some ....but...Dont ever make the mistake to believe that your values...are worth more than any of you fellow countrymen that does not agree with your idea of this war. It may just proove ...that you will end up on the side...that will be the one history will judge as those who were totally wrong. It has happened to you several times before....and this time ..im telling you you are messing with some real heavy stuff.It happened in Vietnam,Chile,Nicaragua etc etc etc... The nationalsts in Russia have woken up...they do not like your idea of ruling the world.If this continues and Putin is evenually changed against anyone of them....there will be Russian ships in the Gulf... And ..no there is no point in saying...We`ll nuke them too... You should have run this business with the UN. That is about the only chance there is to settle this. The muslims....dont want you.They dont trust you...and they have a reason. Bluelight |
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Apr 2, 2003, 11:24 PM
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Apr 3, 2003, 12:26 AM
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All we are saying.....
is give Bush a chance.......
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Apr 3, 2003, 07:09 AM
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No im not giving Bush and his adimistration a chance.He is as far as im concerned am ultrarightwing politician and his politics as such is enough for me to dismiss him.
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Apr 3, 2003, 07:11 AM
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Yeah there are "prominent" peole praising Bush.... Bluelight |
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Apr 3, 2003, 08:30 AM
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Forgive me
but I didn't know you were so critical of Bush....
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Apr 3, 2003, 08:36 AM
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Heres a bone
more anti bush crap, but you might find it intersting, just an example of the leftwing democratic crap that oozes out of the festering sores of liberal whiners..http://www.cydewaze.org/ramblings/accomplish.php....
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I am left wing.I dont support his wiew of reality and how to handle it.I dont want fully free enterprises.I do want taxes that finance an official sector to the benefit of all. I want the state to have influence on the common good for people. I do not helieve ( as he does) that fr4ee enterprise can take care of every aspect in society. I believe that such a system has already been tried and dismissed....250 years ago. It took 150 years to get rid of it...and im not giving up my part without saying what i think. And...The bottom line of the war against Iraq ...is that it is initiated by an extreme right wing government...against the will of the international community and against the idea of letting international instances like the UN handle things like this. Ideas that Usa were among the first to initiate after WW2. This could have been handlked within the frame of the UN.Usa would..like last time still have the main initiative ..and they would..control the military side of the operation. Such a mission would...just like last time....have international support and it would also have bigger support among muslim countries than the current ever will have. A government does not...all of a sudden become independent of its political values...just because it goes to war. Right now 70 percent of Americas population support a war powered by rightwing ideology...although..30 percent of them are democrats.... Funny..how war by illusion hides things... Finally...I do also have a big problem with Bush claiming he has a mission from God....in Iraq.... I thought things like that were reserved for those that planned 9 11 and...it doesnt exactly look good in the eyes of muslims....when you tell them that this has nothing to do with religion...... I figure they yake him by his words...just as you take the word of extremist muslim leaders about having a mission from god to go to war against you.... Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Apr 3, 2003 at 11:55 AM. |
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Apr 3, 2003, 09:22 PM
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bluelight, you and people who think like you love to label the Bush Administration as "ultraright wing" and as far as I am concerned, this is abjectly absurd. Pat Buchanan can be considered "ultra-right wing" but if you think that Bush is "ultra-right wing," I can't help but think that you don't know what the term means. "Ultra-right wing" people do not support AIDS relief packages, they wouldn't support the formation of a large new government agency (Dept. of Homeland Security), they wouldn't increase federal spending, they wouldn't support government funding of charities at all...
Some of us on the right are actually dissapointed by how un-conservative he is on some issues. |
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Apr 3, 2003, 09:27 PM
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Pat Buchanan is to me the same thing as a fascist.
Bush is not. We have a different scale in Europe than you do.So what you consider..in the middle..is still to the right..for me. That means...Bush gets pretty far out to the right...and Buchanan and his likes...is so far off the field that i consider him a fascist. Bluelight |
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Apr 4, 2003, 06:45 AM
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Well, that is reasonable. What doesn't make sense to me is Americans that call Bush "far-right." That's just silly.
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Apr 4, 2003, 08:51 AM
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Bluelight, My America..
I think, that if you watch the mainstream media in the United States, you might get a little taste of the neo-conservative and even independent "left wing" thought from citizens that may not embrace the war or the president, but we genuinely believe that there are always two sides to every story. We achieve some sense of balance daily between our own emotions and values passed on from our own parents or family from generations that have sacrificed and endured both democratic and republican administrations as well as unpopular wars. We read history books, we learn from mistakes, we aren't that gullable.
From the images on television, our youth are either shopping at the mall, sitting in new cars with ridicously loud stereos vibrating the windows of hardworking people trying to sleep, then spending idle time at the ATM withdrawing money for a disposible lifestyle with a disposible income. Our politicians are engaged in pointless arguments about issues that have already been decided by the consituents with massive economic power and influence, and we are cynical and do not trust them. Movie stars and personalities are going on record as either antiwar or anti president or worse even demonstrating during televised media events that supposed to entertain other americans.. We are a youth driven culture, we have abandoned the elderly and the weak and deformed, and we are decadent, we abuse substances and we indulge in the cult of personalilty to the extent that we actually believe whatever "popular" figures on television tell us.. The inner core of our masses are waiting to rebel against the oppressive and demeaning influence of government. Crime is rampant, and we are in denial of the festering corruption in our cities, our government, and our churches and schools. We all carry guns, or seek violent solutions to conflicts rather than rationally accepting what we can and cannot control, rather than find a logical comprimise. Psuedo-intellectuals direct our educational institutions and manifest their own political agendas within the the framework of their own misguided curriculem. We are warmongers, choosing to believe that our military is unstoppable, above prosecution for war crimes, seeking political and economic advantage by dictating world policy and enforcing our doctrine with firepower from the air, ground and sea.. We have secret organizations that comb out dissenting americans and foriegners and deporting them or making them disappear in the swamps of New Jersey or the East River.. We are thugs, arrogant and self centered and uneducated. We have a narrow or myopic view of world politics and could care less what happens to anyone else as long as we can fill up our SUV's and continue to use our cell phones without any consideration for others... All of this might seem to be tangible proof that America is teetering on the edge of moral bandruptcy and our days are numbered, that we will be held accountable one day for our excesses, and implode economically from overspending and financial irresponsibility....all of this seems real, palpable, and inevitable.....but then....it's only T.V.....IT'S JUST NOT REAL...But I believe; Real Americans, wake up every morning and embrace those they love, embrace those things that make them feel secure, then try as hard and as often as they can to improve the quality of their lives and their own economic conditon.. Americans adapt to changing situations, and help those who can't. Americans believe that they can make changes within the scope of thier abilities and when they can't they ask for help.. Americans embrace their higher power, go to their house of worship and try a little everyday of their lives to make a positive difference in their nieghborhoods, their families, and their lives.. Americans send their children off to war, to work, to colleges and into a hostile world with a prayer and a deep hope that the world that they will leave to them will be a better place.. And no matter how bad it seems back home in the United States, we all seem to find a few coins in our pockets for the unfortunate people all over the world that can't help themselves.. Real Americans are proud of their country, embrace its failings, and problems, and either silently or loudly tell themselves or others that they wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world... We may not always believe in our president, our military or our legal and educationa system. but we love America just the same. and as the distance between international borders becomes shorter and shorter because of globalization, we may grow to understand and respect the differences between ourselves and others, and embrace those things that make us simliar and find common ground... |
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