zaim

(i want this thread CLEAN, no talk about terrorism, or any other bullshit which doesn't relate to the current topic in wish I want answered. THANK YOU.)

Ok. I myself am a son of Allah (lol), well, a muslim, but don't practice it as much as I probably should.

As most likely you know, we can't:

smoke, drink, swear, take drugs, eat pork/shark, commit adultry, all that stuff right...

Honostly, I don't follow any of it beside not eating the pork part and I do celebrate ramadan.. to an extent.

BUT MY QUESTION IS THIS...

Why can't us Muslims eat shark?

The pig reason is because it's considered as a dirty animal, thus unallowed to eat it... but shark is a little confusing. (I love my flake with my fish 'n chips!)

My logic tells me that we perhaps see the shark as a scavanger of the sea? a scrap eater? a man eater? ... I dunno... that's why I ask here =) seeing as this is a busy forum, I'm sure someone would be able to help me out.

thanks =)

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Necrosis

No I'm not Muslim but I find this interesting. Is there any other predators you folks are not allowed to eat? First time I've heard about this myself.

cozumel

This is according to the Sahih Muslim No.1934. Any predatory beast that kills with its teeth, claws or talons is prohibited (haram). I suppose it could be due to the pain caused during death.

However, it is also written that all sea-animals are Haram except for fish. It will be permitted to eat a fish even without slaughtering it according to the rules of Shariah. However, a fish that dies naturally without an external cause and begins to float on the surface of the water (Samak al-Tafi) is also considered Haram. This I assume would be to with hygiene and the spread of disease/bacteria.

Basically according to some teachings shark is okay, whilst in other areas it is not. It all depends on the interpretation.

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zaim

Hey that's probably some accurate information you've supplied me thank you..
This your knowledge? Or did you read it up somewhere just now..

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Necrosis

The predator does make sense, wow guess I was right about that w/o having a clue.

zaim

Islam is built a lot on common sense.. so if you got that, then you'll understand our religion quite well

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BlueMak

I had no idea muslims were not supposed to eat shark. Live and learn.


BTW, who eats shark?

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dj_stick

i eat shark (flake) regularly

it's interesting to read/hear about different culture's prohibited foods, because there's usually a good historical reason for it

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cozumel

Some of the clients I represent are Muslim (asylum seekers) so I learn a lot from them and a tiny bit of arabic too.

The precise Haram and Halal rules I googled. I then cross referenced with stuff from the Hanafi Madhab school. I t will help me and increase my understanding of the cultural needs of my clients. So thank you for submitting an interesting question

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cozumel

Some muslims will eat shark as it all depends on interpretation. IE you can all eat all fish so it's okay. On the other hand it is a beast that hunts with its teeth. This is a minor conflict.

I eat shark. I eat (and will try) anything that moves.

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Maddogg6

Hmm - I too find it interesting that 'shark' is mentioned specifically

I mean... Pike (a fish) has teeth and feed on living creature (worms, smaller fish) - is that allowed?
Or how about sword fish (yum)..??


Cant say I see that here... seems like 'sharks' are specified for additional reasons, or cozumels post was too generalized... ??

zaim

Wel I said a lot.. not all

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SaberZ

I too am muslim and did not know shark was prohibited, then again I never ate it myself.

A lot of it is common sense, but then there are some items that are a bit old, that I don't think would matter much in todays times.

Such as, you can own a dog, but really shouldn't allow it into the house for hygene sakes, unlike a cat, granted it can clean up after itself, but both have foul breath and shed for the most part.


I myself am allergic to dander so keeping a dog in the house is really out of the question, but owning one always crossed my mind. But I've seen some of my friends dogs and honestly they can get annoying if they aren't trained correctly. Like trying to climb into a chair for human food, peeing on things in a room where they aren't allowed etc, its all hygenic, but i think with proper training and such it could work out....that or get a sentry gun to put the dog in its place....

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Maddogg6

Well - a dog sheds - and so do people - I read something like (edit: as much as../edit) 75% of 'household dust' is human dead skin. We shed hair as well (granted alot less - but there are breeds of dogs that don't shed much too)

And... its been proven a dogs saliva contains less bacteria than our own... and many people 'spit' when they speak (check for the DNA on your dinning room table).
And... I know plenty children, mentally ill and elderly that not only pee in their bed - but will continue to sleep in it till morning. And keep the stained mattress.

Additionally, we have cleaners and disinfectants that seem to be ok to use in hospitals. Or are those not allowed too?

So - as far as hygiene goes - not making sense to me how these things originate.
Thus, one *could* deduce that these are rules for the sake of control.

SFOSOK

A child is not a predator can you eat those?

If so then I'm converting!

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Maddogg6

I love kids too - but I never order em - cuz I can't eat a whole one - and it seems like such a waste.... and warmed over 'child' just isnt as good.

yeah - I know - Im a sick puppy.....

icymah

Here are some info about your question...!

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In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful


In the Hanafi madhab, all fish are Halal. Sharks are defined as "...any of several fast-swimming, generally large fish...". (MSN Encarta; [COLOR=#798756]http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761552860/Shark.html[/COLOR])

Since sharks are fish and all fish are Halal, sharks are also Halal. Allama Damiri (RA) has also classified sharks as fish in his work, Hayatul Hayawan.

Verily, Allah knows best.
Sikander Ziad Hashmi
Montreal, Canada

source:http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=4680&CATE=107


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

There is a difference of opinion among Muslim jurists regarding including those among the permissible seafood. The majority of scholars view that all seafood is halal, and therefore snake fish and sharks are allowed to eat.

The evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah are general. Allah says: "It is He Who has made the sea subject, that ye may eat thereof flesh that is fresh and tender." (An-Nahl: 14)

In reference to the sea, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: "Its water is pure and its dead (i.e. fish that died) are halal."

Allah Almighty knows best.


Source: http://www.islamonline.net/livefatwa...GuestID=i1gtj3

I found this one especially good:



QUESTION:
Is it Permissible to eat sharks? Aren’t man-eating animals Haram?
ANSWER:
In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful, The answer given earlier is correct indeed and something that is agreed upon by all four Sunni Schools of Islamic law. All the four major Sunni Madhabs are in agreement that consuming all types of fish is without doubt Halal, due to the explicit mention of this in the Qur’an and Sunnah. The permissibility of eating all types of fish without the need of carrying out the Islamic method of slaughter is a special dispensation given to us by Allah Most High, the All-Wise and All-Knowing.



Fish has been exempted from the general ruling of the impermissibility of eating dead animals, and it can be consumed even if it was a man-eater.
Allah Most High says:
“Lawful to you is the pursuit of water-game (fishing) and its use for food, for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel…” (Surah al-Ma’ida, V: 96)
This verse, according to the understanding of the Hanafi Mujtahids, refers to fish only, and not other animals.
Moreover, Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him eternal peace) said: “Two types of dead meat and two types of blood have been made lawful for our consumption: The two dead meats are: fish and locust, and the two types of blood are: liver and spleen.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, Musnad Ahmad, 2/97 and Sunan Ibn Majah, no: 3314)
Thus, there is complete consensus with regards to the permissibility of eating fishes of all kind, including sharks and whales, due to the above-mentioned and many other evidences found in the Sunnah. The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) and his blessed Companions (Allah be pleased with them all) have been reported in many narrations to have consumed fish. In fact, there is a renowned Hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari and elsewhere that alludes to the permissibility of eating large fishes such as the shark and whale.
Sayyiduna Jabir ibn Abd Allah (Allah be pleased with him) said: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) sent troops to the sea-coast and appointed Abu Ubayda ibn al-Jarrah (Allah be pleased with him) as their commander, and they were 300 (men). We set out, and we had covered some distance on the way, when our journey-food and provision ran short. So Abu Ubayda ordered that all the food present with the troops be collected, and it was collected. Our journey-food was dates, and Abu Ubayda kept on giving us our daily share from it little by little until it decreased to such an extent that we did not receive except a date each. I (Jabir) asked: “How did you survive on one date?” He said: “We came to know its value when even that finished.” Jabir added: “Then we reached the sea (coast) where we found a fish like a small mountain. The people (i.e. troops) ate from it for 18 nights (i.e. days). Then Abu Ubayda ordered that two of its ribs be fixed on the ground (in the form of an arch) and that a she-camel be ridden and passed under them. So it passed under them without touching them.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 4102, Kitab al-Maghazi)
In another version of this narration, Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) says:
“We set out in the army of al-Khabt and Abu Ubayda (Allah be pleased with him) was the commander of the troops. We were struck with severe hunger and the sea threw out a dead fish the like of which we had never seen, and it was called al-Anbar. We ate of it for half a month. Abu Ubayda took (and fixed) one of its bones and a rider passed underneath it (without touching it). Abu Ubayda said (to us): “Eat (of that fish).” When we arrived at Madina, we informed the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) about what had happened, and he said: “Eat, for it is food Allah has brought out for you, and feed us if you have some of it.” So some of them gave him (of that fish) and he ate it.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 4104)
The above narration clearly shows that the Anbar fish which the sea had thrown out for the consumption of the Companions (Allah be pleased with them all) was a huge and gigantic fish. Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) resembled it to a small mountain and Sayyiduna Abu Ubayda (Allah be pleased with him) made an arch with its ribs and a camel-rider passed under it without his head touching the ribs. In another narration, it is mentioned that Abu Ubayda (Allah be pleased with him) had chosen the tallest man out of them to ride the camel, in order to show the enormity of the fish. Thus, it can be said (and Allah knows best) that this fish may be some kind of a whale or shark.
In conclusion, all the Fuqaha of the four Sunni Schools of Islamic law are in agreement that all types of fish are Halal for consumption. This also includes sharks, for they are also considered to be from the fish family.
And Allah knows best Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

Source:http://www.shariahprogram.ca/eat-hal...at-halal.shtml

I hope you find this info of good use. In my country there is whale and shark and i like whale very much but the shark is kind of grose because it is prepared tradionally with amonia so imagine the taste hehe...
Asalam alaikum