The_Neon_Cowboy

NEW POLL OUT 33% of french want U.S. to loose this war and for saddam to stay in power .... So what your guys take on this???

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Necrosis

I find it amazing that 33% of french people polled would want Saddam to win. Of course I could also say that Iraq is sure putting up a bigger fight than the french did in WWII too.

BWX

I would have thought it was higher than 33%.

tragic

So true......

Falstaff

anything that crap comes out of....

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Vampyromaniac

I want to own an F1, an M5, a WRX, a few high-end Intel/AMD/Apple computers, and homes in Boston, San Diego, Seattle, and Miami.

Much like me, the 33% in that poll want something that's not gonna happen.

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toddsmack2k

An excellent way to look at it Vampy, i agree with ya there!

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Falstaff

It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this sovereign US embassy set the stage for the events to follow for the next 23 years.
America was still reeling from the aftermath of the Viet Nam experience and had a serious threat from the Soviet Union when then, President Carter, had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine
raid in the desert. The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's inability to deal with terrorism.
America's military had been decimated and downsized / right sized since the end of the Viet Nam war. A poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly organized military was called on to execute a complex mission that was doomed from the start.
Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her citizens living and working abroad. The attacks against US soil continued. In April of 1983 a large vehicle packed with high explosives was driven into the US Embassy compound in Beirut. When it explodes, it kills 63 people. The alarm went off again and
Then just six short months later a large truck heavily laden down with over 2500 pounds of TNT smashed through the main gate of the US Marine Corps headquarters in Beirut. 241 US servicemen are killed.
Two months later in December 1983, another truck loaded with explosives is driven into the US Embassy in Kuwait.
The following year, in September 1984, another van was driven into the gates of the US Embassy in Beirut.
In April 1985 a bomb explodes in a restaurant frequented by US soldiers in Madrid.
Then in August a Volkswagen loaded with explosives is driven into the main gate of the US Air Force Base at Rhein-Main, 22 are killed and the Snooze Alarm is buzzing louder and louder as US soil is continually attacked.
Fifty-nine days later a cruise ship, the Achille Lauro is hijacked and we watched as an American in a wheelchair is singled out of the passenger list and executed.
The terrorists then shift their tactics to bombing civilian airliners when they bomb TWA Flight 840 in April of 1986 that killed 4 and the most tragic bombing, Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988, killing 259. America wants to treat these terrorist acts as crimes; in fact we are still trying to bring these people to trial. These are acts of war.
The terrorists decide to bring the fight to America. In January 1993, two CIA agents are shot and killed as they enter CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
The following month, February 1993, a group of terrorists are arrested after a rented van packed with explosives is driven into the underground parking garage of the World Trade Center in New York City. Six people are killed and over 1000 are injured. Still this is a crime and not an act of war?
Then in November 1995 a car bomb explodes at a US military complex in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia killing seven service men and women.
A few months later in June of 1996, another truck bomb explodes only 35 yards from the US military compound in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia. It destroys the Khobar Towers, a US Air Force barracks, killing 19 and injuring over 500.
They move to coordinate their attacks in a simultaneous attack on two US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. These attacks were planned with precision. They kill 224. America responds with cruise missile attacks and goes back to sleep.
The USS Cole was docked in the port of Aden, Yemen for refueling on 12 October 2000, when a small craft pulled along side the ship and exploded killing 17 US Navy Sailors. Attacking a US War Ship is an act of war, but we sent the FBI to investigate the crime and went back to sleep.
And of course the events of 11 September 2001. Most Americans think this was the first attack against US soil or in America. How wrong they are. America has been under a constant attack since 1979.
Regardless of how many polls are taken, the truth is we have set the wheels in motion, there will be no place for terrorists to hide anywhere. Afghanistan, Iraq, where ever the terrorist can hide and recieve succor, we will prevail..

bluelight

Well have you checked how many Americans that want to bomb France after your fasict campaign against free speech and free will that was aimed at France?

Id like to see such a poll.It would explain things.

Maybe you should go back to your own posts (several of them) where you included an image of Chirac being fucked by Saddam.

If you still dont understand then i dont have any answer for you.



Bluelight

Falstaff

Chirac and Hussein, almost as bad as Bush and Blair, I find that offensive Blue, but it's no worse than pencil doodles on desktops in highschool. I turned all my graphics off because of some of the offensive things you might see, but that is the risk you take..you should start a thread, haven't seen one in awhile..

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bluelight

I gave him a highly relevant answer as to why there might be 30 percent in France that thinks Saddam ought to win.

The French arent idiots and those that are debating this at the same gutter level as Mr Neon in France certainly does not want Usa to win.

They use the same tactics as Neon himself does.


They have eyes..and ears...and know about the facistoid campaign against France.

Why should they want Usa to win ?




Blielight

Falstaff

I think France might have alot to gain from Coalition victory, especially during the rebuilding process that will undoubtedly be soon. French have a reputation for being shrewd business people, I doubt this little international speed bump between the French Prime Minister and the Coalition will not amount to much, regardless of amount of discontent one may see or read about in the media. When it's over (the war) life may return to normal again, and I am not saying the path back to international partnership will be swift, but in spite of the bantering and foul epithets, we will embrace again, like arguing spouses. The relationship between France and the U.S. has many little twists and turns and dead ends, but we all are strange bedfellows...

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bluelight

I think all of that is depending on how youy plan to lay out the future after Saddam is goine.

Currently you are planning to have an American general as head of Iraq and no influence (other than omoney) from the UN.

That will hardly be accepted by anyone including the Iraq`is.


I have seen Iraq ì exile politicians that you yourself support that say the best soltuion is to hav internatiobnal presence until rteal electons etc e are held.


Btw..I Just hear reports saying the Iraq `i military resistance from the "major" divisions is dead due to the heavy bombings of them .I hope that is true and that they arent inside Bagdad in thousands.

And....God be with all of them...forced in to this..that now are dead in thousands.


Bluey

Falstaff

Saddams legacy is terrible, maybe just maybe there is a small flame of honor within in him and he will save his people...but he can't run anywhere..

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BWX

I feel so sorry for the people who willingly carried out Saddam's orders to kill babies, rape women, and kill anyone who says anything bad about Saddam.

They have their own minds, they can choose to surrender or not carrie out his orders. These are the same group of people who came up w/ the idea to have proffesional rapists to spread fear about Saddam or cut peoples' toungs out who spoke negatively about him.
Oh, I feel so sorry for these low life scumbags. If they want to fight a suicide mission, fine. Let them die- they deserve to for killing all the people they have for Saddam in the past years.

So quick to forgive the murderers and rapists, so hesitant to understand reason. They weren't forced into anything- they had a choice, the world gave them 12 years to disarm, their choice was no, they would rather die in a hopeless war. I am glad you side w/ murderers and people who torture and rape for hobbies. What a great person you are for this.

But those damn bastard Americans, who do they think they are trying to free a population so afraid they can't even say what they think without losing bodyparts. Who do they think they are- thay should loose this war----do you realize how stupid this sounds and how no matter what you say you cannot possibly rationalize this train of thought? Maybe if you weren't lied to in your decieving newspapers and slanted television news. That is the only reason I can think of to want the coalition to loose this war. And then you defend the 33 percent who are comletely lost. Unbelievable. I bet you yourself want the coalition to lose the war, don't you?

bluelight

You have no idea of what you are talking about.


None at all.

This is probably due to the total lack of connectin with reality in your media today.


Saddam has had an army consisting of tems of thousands of people.

Only a small pert of these troops have been recriuted willingly.The willing are those that have profited from being paid by him.


The overwhelming majority have been forced to fight for him at the threat of being shot if they did not.

Saddam and his leading clique comes fom a minority of people.The rest of the population has little or no say at all.



These are the people that are now being slaugheterd in tens of thousands by clusterbombs that are condemend internationally just as they were slaughtered in tens of thousands in similar ways last time.

Anyone feeling happy about this has a serious problem.


Blueligfht

bluelight

And when it comes to the 33 percent in France......

You didnt read the post i wrote or are your eyes so blinded with the fascistoid hate campaign that Neon gladly took part of here by posying images of Chirac being fucked by Saddam??

Do you think the French find this type of arguments is funny??!!

What do you expect them to reply??


When you ask ignorant French people what they think about ignorant American fascistoid " french fries campaigns saddam fucking chirac camnpaigns"do you seriously think they will fall on their knees and kiss your feet?


Forget it


Those that die in tens of thousands are people between 16 and 50 years...(90 percent of them have nothing at all to do with the Saddam requieme other than that they are forced to fight) they get their heads blown off and they die for nothing at all...and you are happy about it.....


Yeah right..America....Totyally out of touch with reality.


Maybe that depends on the fact that 80 percent of the reporting that you get from the "embedded " journalists are images of the journalists and nothing...about real death and those that ...do die in this war.

So far about 100 peole from the alliance is dead..and probably between 10-20 000 Irai soldiers are dead.

Their death is just as ugly as your deaths.

Now go have a sandwich install yourself in front of the tv and watch the continuing adventures of your herioc Fox journalists.

Bluelight

BWX

They have free will, they are not robots. Once they get out on the battlefield, we don't shoot them if they are surrendering, in fact, they have tried to fake a surrender then blow our troops up. What else should we do? Just let them shoot at us and kill us? I guess you wouldn't feel the same about American deaths. Because we are evil right?

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BWX

Who says I am happy about it? I just think that they should comply. Lay down your weapons and we will feed, clothe, and give you medical attention.

That is a lot better than what our POW's get from them!! Our POW's get torture, broken bones, sitting in the same clothes for days until they are made to sit in there own excrement and not allowed to clean themselves! Then they get what they pray for since they were tortured for days on end, they get executed. Killed for no reason.

Well I sure do feel sorry for those Iraqi soldiers, but we get what we deserve right? What do you say about that? You feel sorry for people that could treat another person like that? But you do not support the coalition forces that go out of their way to spare innocent human life, even the lives and COMFORT of the enemy that was just trying to KILL them, or worse, take them as a POW?? How is it possible to feel sorry for people like that? How I will never know. I do feel sorry for innocent lives lost- I do not feel sorry for Iraqi soldiers that would love to get their hands on anyone in the US and torture, rape, and kill them, as they have done many many times. You have not heard the truth, this is the truth. I have heard it from POW's mouths. It is not a lie what these people have been through. I canot feel sorry for the people that would carry out orders such as these.

bluelight

They have a free will??Cool...

So.....then please explain whaty your business in Iraq is?



All i am trying to tell you is that in this moment tens of thousands Iraq`i soldiers that probably knew they would loose and that had no option whatsoever than to fight....has been killed by your clusterbombs.

Not in heroic fight on some battlefields where they in man to man figt were gunned down by your heroic soldiers.

But by single bombs that are capabale of blowing several thousand people into oblivion in one instance.


Most of these soldiers are young just like the captured 18 year old girl you sent to fight for you and that was rescued.

Only difference is that these eighteen year olds...are dying like pigs in thousands.


I want Saddam gone....and as soon as possible so that no more people whichever side is slaughtered.


I have been looking on the net witout finding it for an image of two Iraq´i soldiers i recently saw in a newspaper.

They were both sitting dead...in a trench...their bodies all shattered...in front of them they had a white flag....


Wonder how many eighteen year old Iraq`i kids that were waving white flags against the blind sky last week.

To bad cluster bombs dont see...white flags.


Bluelight






Bluelight

The_Neon_Cowboy

Yea they allready told us that they sould get a hand and a say in rebuilding iraq ... and have contracts awarded to them... HA HA HA thier very funny. Not going to happen... when have they helped? the've fought us more than anyone so france
um..it's called martial law... until a real govermant can be put in place made up of iraqys.... other wise a warloard wil just raise up and take saddams place....



yea dont forget to mention about 350,000 iraqy troops there of those 10,000 elite republican guard not to mention the fetayeam .. malishia... and millions of armed citizens ... of couse who choses not to fight or surenders is another story


I wouldn't post anything like that would be funny



It's just saying there in bed to geather... and in very many ways they are...

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bluelight

Which 350 000 troops? And...If there exists or more right if there used to exist 350 000 ...

How many percent is ten thousand out of 350 000??


Yeah keep posting you fascist nazi propaganda images.

Each time you do youy ditch whatever credibility you have a liitloe more and eventually it will end of in the garbage bin.

Bluelight

The_Neon_Cowboy

How many percent is ten thousand out of 350 000? = 35,000 whats your point? you seem to know an afull alot about nazi propaganda

your so funny you need a "liitloe more" sence of humor

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Scoop

How quickly they forgot eh! It was only about 60 years ago that our brave soilders liberated them in the second world war against a similar oppression. I find it disgusting what they did to the war memorial in France saying and I quote " Dig up your rubbish it is polluting our land" What a shower of Bastads. Hmmm pardon the language.

Im sorry if I have offened any one and Im sure the other 67% of French will be horrified at there countrys response.

That is all.

Kind regards
Scoop

bluelight

Yes they will ..just as horrified as they are over the insinuations in America that says the French are Nazis.

The 30 percent were are talking about are probably reacting against this.

I most certainly would have done the same.


And Neon.....the thirty percent ....well they probably saw it as a joke when hey said they`d prever that Usa looses the war...just as you see your insults against their nation as finny jokes....

Yeah that must be it...jokes.


Bluelight

bluelight

1. Yes i know an awful lot about Nazi propaganda.

2. If you read my post and your own posts you will understand what the 10 percent is about.The ten per cent is about ten percent of Saddams army being devoted (or brainwashed..it is as you like it) to defending Saddam.

The rest are there because they have no option inless they want to be shot.


Your cluster bombs certaily will not give any of them a possibility too wave any white flags and to cheer wheter they want or not.

The only option these people have is to die as animals.

Last time 30 000 of them died and abour 150 of yours.


I will certainly feel relief when Bagdad is liberated from Saddam...but..you will not see me smiling or yelling...he price paid by innocents is to high for that.


Finally....Saddam....350 000 peole in his army......

Hardly.Had that been the case then you would stll all have been in Basra.




Bluelight

Falstaff

Hitler had Goebels, and I often wonder if Hussein did'nt use Terik Aziz for the same purpose...there is pro Hussein propoganda out there..but if you want a parallel, it might be interesting to know that Saddam really enjoyed the politics of Stalin and Tito, there you may find rough comparison readily available..

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Malus

Do you even know what a fascist is?

fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

Last time I checked, pictures of Saddam sleeping with Chirac don't really support fascism in any way. Also, what do Nazis have anything to do with this picture? Last time I checked, they were forcing Jews into concentration camps, not Iraqi dictators and French presidents. If anything, I think Sadaam is more of a fascist than any American or British leader.

If your going to insult a (funny) picture, at least come up with an insult that actually applies to it. I wouldn't be surprised if you like to call people communistic fascists. . .

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bluelight

No they do not as such promote fascims...But they use a language commonly used by Nazis and Fascist to discredit anything they do not like.In doing so they use language and graphics meant to degrade the victim.

If ...you....know anything about this...and have ever seen real Fascist or Nazi propaganda then it is plain obvious what i am talking about.

Furter more if Nazism has nothing to do with France ...how is it then that i have seen loads af allegations in images saying that they are just that??

Images in American media with swastikas coupled to Chirac the French flag...and the French people?


Loads of them.

Ususally posted on the net by " real patriots" in UsofA.

Well send your patriots to school........They need it.


Bluelight

bluelight

Last time you checked....they didnt support.....


Ok so what does the garbage that you defend support then??

Boycotting french fries??


Bluelight