Falstaff

The clock is running down for he Hussein regime. A man who called himself the reincarnation of Sargon, Nebacanezzar, and descended from Ali, the brother of his prophet muhammed, is now hiding, and awaiting his fate. He has not come forward and made an overture for surrender. His cities are surrounded or occupied. His dream of a new Babylon has been ruined. His people suffer, and Coalition forces await further orders. Will he use his WMD, are there any to be discovered, will his people have chance at a new government. a new leader, a new chance to join the nations of the free world?
..Who will rebuild Babylon, who will unite the Christians and the Muslims and Kurds of IRAQ. Who will come forward to restore order, to restore peace, to maintain the borders, which country will make a steadfast and determined effort to bring the IRAQ people out of the Political dark ages of Husseins regime...and allow it's citizens to finally be free?

Talicni_Tom

i wonder what iraqi man who lost his whole family would say about your pathetic little rant

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The_Neon_Cowboy

Very easy who ever freed the iraqy people and removed, Hussein and his regime ... get 101% say ... looks like the U.S.A has it... I know who wont be helping that would be ..the french, gremans, russins, serians,sudia areabians, etc...

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Falstaff

Rant perhaps, but pathetic?
What I said is absolutely true, there is a wealth of propoganda to support any number of reincarnated identities for Hussein. The observation about political "dark ages" is nothing new. It was used to describe the governments of Stalin, Tito, and his successor, before he himself was shot by his own people.
If IRAQ can't rebuild itself quickly and establish a place that will no doubt be set aside for it at OPEC, it could suffer immeasurably more than it has already since Hussein took power, and his subsequent replacement.
He began an ambitious project near Bagdad of bring Nebacannezars Babylon back to its historical greatness, he spent an incredible sum to do it too..
And WMD, if he uses them, could further erode the fragile health of his nation.
Husseins strong hand kept IRAQ together, albiet through methods that best described as "iron handed".
Someone has to go there and finish rebuilding IRAQ. If the French foriegn ministers views are embraced, it will be the U.N. for sure.

And on a somber note, why would any IRAQ citizen care what I think? There will be thousands of women, looking after the welfare of their families. After their husbands are killed, for whatever reason.
when our efficient killing machine has completed it's task, and that will surely be soon. The real battle begins, and I don't mean "hearts and minds". I mean the battle to stay alive, to obtain clean water, medicine and shelter..
What I have to say to IRAQI is this...
"Do not carry weapons"
"Do not confront coalition forces"
"Stay within the prescribed boundries of your villages"
"Do not drive towards coaltion roadblocks at a high rate of speed"
"Please organize yourselves into small groups and await relief that will be coming"
That is about all I would do. And after the process of rebuilding is done, I personally will say a prayer for the unfortunates, bury the dead, and get on the first plane out of there, because the least amount of time I spend there in IRAQ the better that place will be..
History is the harshest judge of Wars, and surely we will face very harsh criticizm for along time...
The IRAQIs are Shia and Sunni Muslim with about 3% christian, and of course the remainder are Kurdish right?
I can see the nation of IRAQ utilizing the skills of those that were in power before the liberation, as long as they are not guilty of commiting atrocities in the past.

Asmoday

...French,Germans,Russians,Syrians,Saudi Arabians,etc... ....lol...








Ps. didn't mean to be rude...

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The_Neon_Cowboy

it true those agenst the war , those supporting/supplyng saddom regime with weapons during this war, will get no say or contrats $$$ in the comeing mouths unless there is some super sucking up and apoligiseing by thouse countries.... hey they didn't help sho why should they get a hand in it? thats right they shouldn't

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Talicni_Tom

you gotta be kiding

"absolutely true" hahahah

like most americans your history knowledge is sooo poor

what an ignorant you must be to put eqation between Stalin and Tito

btw.whos successor was killed Tito`s or Stalin`s or you dont know what you`re talking about


get your usual dose of cnn,fox... propaganda and dont overdose yourself (like you did before this "absolutely true" post)

do not refer to something you obviously dont have a clue

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Asmoday

Hey...i simply pointed out some error in your spelling... ......otherwise i agree with you,the ones who have taken down the Iraqi regime should also be the ones building it up again....

Regards // Cartman

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FuNsTeR

i vote for ......













Lego

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"They say when you play a Microsoft CD backwards you can hear satanic messages ..... but that's nothing, if you play it forward it will install Windows"

Talicni_Tom

what a sentence, did you cite Hitler or Goebbels?

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toddsmack2k

PLease keep it civil. No name calling or personal insults please.

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bluelight

Are you then including the arms you yourself sold him during at least 10 years and the helicopters he used to gas 5000 kurds?


Bluelight

bluelight

No you are the one that hasnt got a single clue what you are talking about.


Saddam is leading a party that to a very big extent is modeled after the Soviet model.So was Titios requiem in Yugoslavia.


His army is organised also in very much the same manner as the Red army was.So the comparisons is highly relevant.


Bluelight

bluelight

This is another obvious bollocks post.Pure garbage.


Bluelight

Falstaff

That eventually, the little political knots that Hussien tied to remain in power will untie now. I can think of five people including Tarik Aziz that might attempt to throttle political growth within IRAQ, and reinstall a "new and improved" totalitarian regime, after we are gone..I hope we find a way to sell democracy like the way we sell SUV's, And Talcni_Tom cant offend me, his remarks are similiar to the ones made by the little devil that sits on everyones shoulder, ha ha...although he might be insluted by that comparison, ha ha..."my apologies"....(snicker)

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bluelight

Well man...it is gonna be very very interesting to see how long you will end up in Iraq.It is plain to see that the UN will not be playing any role whatsoever .

Some of your leaders speak of you being present for a couple of months...I think that they are dreaming or deliberatly lying.


Bluelight

The_Neon_Cowboy

no there are many selling them wepons right now to use agenst ameican troops



We've already went over this a million times even if it was american helacopters or not hell even if he had no helacopters he would still have gased them by many many many other means of delivery 1 of wich being iraqy hellacpoters or russian ones, sucds, mortars, atrilery rounds etc etc... there are many wars so could you people drop it... ? It like the only shred of anything you people hold on to and yet where is you eveadence? I want pictue ot the hellacopers , thier markings and oh yea picure and video tapes o the hole event just like you guy wanted about proof saddam has WMD I am assuming the witnesses must of died so that leaves? no proof? yep

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Talicni_Tom

you missed the whole point

you know how is sadam army organized and that`s really amazing

what you dont know that there is a difference between Stalin who killed more Russians than Hitler and relatively harmless little dictator like Tito

and of course it was about unknown successor who was shot by his men

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The_Neon_Cowboy

this from some liveing in a monarcy

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Falstaff

quote:

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Originally posted by Talicni_Tom
what a sentence, did you cite Hitler or Goebbels?
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Neither is relevant perhaps, but here some J. Goebbels, ha ha

If the day should ever come when we [the Nazis] must go, if some day we are compelled to leave the scene of history, we will slam the door so hard that the universe will shake and mankind will stand back in stupefaction..

Intellectual activity is a danger to the building of character.

It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.

We have made the Reich by propaganda.

Whoever can conquer the street will one day conquer the state, for every form of power politics and any dictatorship-run state has its roots in the street.


I know it's intellectually flatulent to bring up comparisons between Hussein and the Nazi's. Hussein really embraced some aspects of Stalinist ideology. I know he like the way Tito ran his country as well. sigh...

Makes me wonder how hard it will be to sell democracy to a people that have only know, puppets and generals and despots...

The_Neon_Cowboy

For the 50th thousand time so If i go to sweeden and buy a gun and go to france and kill 50,000 people with it than it's your govermants fault right? no it wouldn't be . But it must be by your thinking couse they sold me the gun.. there is no logic in this you guy are driveing me nuts with this. I'll be in the flame warz zone for a bit

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bluelight

Who... apart from maybe Syria is supplying Saddam with arms?


Yes you are right....they were American helicopters and the intelligence info you gave him about Iranian troop movements made it easier for him to use gas against the Iranians whioch he did many many times...while you supported him...

Yes that is right.


Bluelight

bluelight

Well ill say it once again to you then.

If you give a gun to a man you know is a schizofrenic and is known as dangerous and this manb goes out and kills someone´with the gun that you supplied him with......then you will be charged for helping him to commit murder.


Do you understand what i am saying??

If not i might post an image of Mr Don the happy guy meeting The Green Guy and you dont want me to do that do you??

It is not morally irellevant if you sold arms to him during at least 10 years so that he would slaugher Iranians for you.

It is highly relevant.

Jesus wouldnt have liked it would he??Guns to Saddam so he could slaughter Iranians?

For you....
Bluelight

bluelight

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Bluelight

Falstaff

We all got a good look at what Mr. Helms kept on his desk, none of it was really top secret but it was eye openning...The Central Intelligence Agency help Saddam attain power to begin with. This is well know to the IRAQI government, and I think really fostered their deepest suspicions of the United States among others..see this url: http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html

If the CIA confuses covert activity with missionary work again, we are all in deep trouble..

bluelight

No problem...Ijust got a little angry at your tone with Jeff.I dont really agree with everything he says but he is a cool guy as is most people here ....

You are probably too.Nice to see you

Bluey

bluelight

You are the...the...most...incredible ...hardcore ...repulican i ever have come across....Jesus shining through i guess....

Bluey

Falstaff

I am familiar with the Central Intelligence Agency and the history of involvement in foreign affairs, but I am not expert, just cynical, After learning about the Phoenix program in Vietnam from a special forces expert, it really opened my eyes, I am surprised the world didn't go to the dustbin after the Spanish American War, another chapter in American History, but if you ask an educated fillipino about it, you sure get a both barrels!

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bluelight

This is an intersetin paper.Ill read it tomorrow.I think that most of what is ....really....happening..happens behind everybodys backs...on all sides.


Bluey

Falstaff

I am cynical of NATO invlovement in IRAQ as well after the repolarization of the Congo, somehow NATO and CIA became synonymous with assissinaiton and intrigue, and sabotoge....see this url: http://www.covertaction.org/full_text_69_04_.htm

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