The most anti-American country?

BWX

Things I have seen about why France is Jealous and mad at the US.

France is irrelevant and they know it, and they hate it. And every time there is a modern war, they are exposed as being unable to participate. This is because they lack military technology. Because right at the end of the Cold War, they opted for social services and welfare stateism all over Europe, and they opted out of defense. They spend 1 percent of their budget on defense, which is not even enough to pay the salaries of the people they have in uniform in most of the European countries. So, they can't fight a modern war. They hate it that the US has more power militarily than they do.

Something I heard in a report:

Before Afghanistan, we went to NATO, and said we're going into Afghanistan. We know a lot of you have political problems with it. Not to worry. We don't need you. We'll do it by ourselves. And a lot of them jumped up and down and said, no way. We don't want to be left out of this, give us something to do. And we sort of invented roles for them. Now it's years later and we're even more powerful and more advanced and so the gap between our military power and technology and theirs has grown greater. And we really don't need them and in many ways, we don't want them. And this infuriates them because they are now irrelevant.

The only influence France has in world affairs right now is the ability to veto things in the Security Council.

So if the U.S. goes ahead and has a successful event with a coalition not sponsored by the U.N., the U.N. looks shrunken and France's influence is, therefore, accordingly shrunken.
Again they think they are superior to us, yet they can't stand it that we are in most ways superior to them.

HERE is a quote from President Jacques Chirac: from right before the war- it sounds like he wants nothing to do with war- The above statments tell you why.
..................I believe that we do not need another war in that region. With this being said, I repeat that we consider -- I consider we should wait. We have got a strategy, which is inspections.................

We would have inspectors in there until 2020 if it were up to France because they don't want there to be a war they are unable to paticipate in.

They are jealous because of this--------> In fact, life today in America in most every way represents the zenith of human achievement. Even our "poor" are more affluent, well-fed and have access to more creature comforts and amenities than most of the rest of the world’s "middle class." The poor in America today in many ways live better than royalty did just a century ago. In fact, by most standards, poor Americans today live better than average Americans did just 50 years ago.

They are jealous because of things like this------>
The numbers are similar as you move down the list of amenities. Today, the poorest of Americans are more likely to own televisions, refrigerators, automobiles, air conditioning, dishwashers and washing machines than average Americans were in 1950.

They are jealous of us because we have achieved so much in the last century because of our freedom.

I could give you example after example why I think the Frebch are jealous of the US, No one can prove how someone else feels, but the proof is in the pudding. The French are doing everything in their power to block the US diplomatically, now they want in on the oil deals and control of a free Iraq.

The French have hated the US for a long time- I have known that since I was a little kid. Everybody knows that. It is no secret. Where does this hatred stem from? Is it because we did something wrong to them? No- we saved their buts many times. It is because they hate the fact that we are more powerful, and they probably don't like the fact that our economy is in much better shape than their's even on a good day.

Sorry I didn't elaberate when I said France is jealous, I thought it was common knowledge. Do you think they are the only ones?

bluelight

Checked the results without voting.....

Obviously the propaganda works.

Bluelight

LeanWolf

WHO's being ridiculous? Everything in that statement is totally ass-backwards! Now I KNOW that you're just trying to piss people off, that's actually funny! Nobody could have their head that far up their own ass!

Hats off to Dom who made some good points, especially that this seems to be a 'who does america hate most' poll rather than the other way around. All you frog-haters should grab your flags and head over to the middle east and see how long you live.

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BWX

OMG what is it with you people?!?!?

So according to you France is taking a stand against terrorism and the US is just trying to protect our bank account????

We spend 100 billion or more on a war to free the world of a terrorist regime and France (who has billions in OIL DEALS WITH SADDAM!!! try to block our every move- but you think that statement you quoted by me is backwards?? Wow- I say Prove me wrong. Let's hear it, I am waiting.

LeanWolf

Well I stand corrected, your head really is jammed up there!

Dude the writing is on the wall, you just refuse to see it. We've got better things to do with our time than try to drag your head out of your butt while you're clenching so tight!

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BWX

Wow, very good argument there- Too bad you can't do anything but throw insults, not even long enough to TRY to debate your hopelessly uninformed rants. Good job, you really have proven your point. I just saw a whole bunch of American Soldiers roll into the center of Bagdad while Iraqi people looked on an cheered and waved and threw things at Saddam's statue which is going to be bulldozed soon.

France is looking pretty bad now. You look even worse with your insults.

Dom

I ment NY.

FuNsTeR

my answer is .... who gives a monkey's f**k .... i hate the US Governent .... what a bunch of arogant p*1cks

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generalstupid

yes... let's... USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Falstaff

Put your bloody Claymore away mate, your acting like a Jacobite..

Vampyromaniac

BWX, you wrote a lot, but it comes down to the fact that you are just assuming that they are jealous, that there is no concrete evidence that they really are.
Sure, you have some facts that might be reason for them to be jealous, but you can't just assume that: just because those reasons exist, they HAVE to be jealous.

How would you respond if A Japanese fellow posted about Japan making autos that are more advanced, reliable, better engineered than American autos, and it naturally follows that all America is jealous of the Japanese auto industry? See even if some of the things he posted were true, it doesn't necessarily mean that America MUST be jealous.

As for what you said about everyone knowing that France hates the US . . . actually I've been far more aware of America's dislike of the French, from very early on.

You should also see that luleandy, just like you, is making assumptions, but from the other side. Of course, he is not being as civil as you But you are both just assuming things from information that does NOT NECESSARILY lead to those assumptions.

Anyway, I think this is all based on France's recent decisions in the UN, that you are angry about.
But you have to see that the reasons for those decisions CAN possibly be other that what you are assuming.
If you just assume so, without considering other possibilities, you can come off as being arrogant or Ameri-supremist, to others.

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Falstaff

I know some French folks, they don't give a tinkers cus about what Villipen says anyway, they own businesses and laugh at the jibes and insults to the French, If you knew any French people or perhaps ever visited there, you will see that French folks are very much like americans, arrogant, self righteous, insulting and self centered too. VIVE LE FRANCE, VIVE LE AMERICA....

An excellent point, no more French bashing, or back it up with facts, not media crap but real facts man, try this one..www.francedaily.com

I personally don't like the French Prime Minister, but hey I know he's in charge there, so what? How can Frances official position have anything to do with the French people? tiresome......

BWX

Well most of that post and most of what I have beem talking about is the French government, so not all of that is directed toward the French people. It is, however, the peopl ethat put him there by voting for an ANTI-AMERICAN leader. That is what he ran on. You can't PROVE how someone feels. It is impossible, but you can make assumptions based on their actions. That is all I have done. I know the French for the most part feel they are superior to the US as most european states do. Good for them. The thing that pisses them off is that we do so much better than them in so many way, not ALL ways of course. But you can't argue with economic growth, peoples individual freedoms, military power, and democracy. Anyone here that doesn't believe the French government is spiteful towards the US really needs to examine the past 100 or so years of history. They are very ungrateful to say the least. They should do their part and forgive the debt to the Iraqi people, most of that money was for French and Russian arms anyway.

Falstaff

You just don't like the French, fair enough, more grey poupon for me, ha ha....But I have noticed generalizations on your part, not disturbing, but the other posters enjoy urls to play with, you know facts and such...On the subject of the French government it has always been the bane of their existence in France, I think the reinvented the word "Bureacracy", ha ha...(spellcheck disabled)

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BWX

I really don't dislike the French people at all. I just think that the majority of them hate the US. And I think the whole country is generally anti-American in their policies and views. Why they sided with a dictator like Saddam we will never fully know, they had more to lose than gain from that stance. We will find out more in the near future though, which should be very enlightening.

Falstaff

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BWX232-- I really don't dislike the French people at all. I just think that the majority of them hate the US. And I think the whole country is generally anti-American in their policies and views. Why they sided with a dictator like Saddam we will never fully know, they had more to lose than gain from that stance. We will find out more in the near future though, which should be very enlightening.

I would like to point out that I went to bootcamp in San Diego with a company of IRAQI sailors..no shit..
We and the French gave them aid and arms and information..
Donald Rumsfeld has shaken Husseins hand, and we have ignored the gassing of the Khurds....
The French government and our government, according to the media are at odds over IRAQ, nothing could be further from the truth....
The French have been and will always be our allies....
Just look at the Statue of Liberty....a gift from the French....

BWX

The US and French allies? Not anymore. And if that is what they say, it is for show only.

Falstaff

I can go no further......I like the French, ...Vive la Liberte...read the tale of two cities.....

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Vampyromaniac

I think you should be a little more open, and not so quick in your judgements . . . dunno where it will lead otherwise Why do you look at it like they sided with Saddam, when you say in the same breath that they have more to lose from doing so?
Maybe . . . they didn't side with Saddam, but made a decision, based on reasons having nothing to do with Saddam?
Come on.Again, so fast to throw away an ally . . . why?

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BWX

They (France) basically undermined our good-hearted effort to bring down a brutal dictator w/ WMD. Their only power was to veto and convince other countries to veto with them by paying them off. Why? Why would they want to prop up Saddam? They did help Saddam, if it wasn't for them the pressure from a UNITED United Nations we might have avoided this war altogether.

With pressure from the whole world, Saddam may have been more willing to comply. Instead with help from France and all the other countries that were helping Saddam snub his nose at the UN's resolutions, Saddam hid all his WMD's and played cat and mouse w/ inspectors -which weren't there to find weapons of MD, but to document Saddam's compliance. (and there was no comliance) I think the war was partly France's Fault, it possibly could have been avoided altogether. We will never know now, because the UN would not stand behind the resolution, it just wanted to keep writing more resolutions, which France, Germany, Russia and the others supported.

Don't think for a second I came up with this on my own, don't ask for proof, there are many who feel the same, whether they are here on this forum or not does not matter- This scenario is a real possibility.

Now they want in on all the oil deals. After they condemn the coalitions actions. Now they want in. Some ally.
With allies like this, who needs enemies?

Dom

No WMD have been found.

America helped Saddam in the Iranian war.

It didn't in the first Golf War, why would this have been different?

BWX

Did you watch the news today? If they haven't already, they WILL find them-

BWX

So what- that has nothing to do with now- in the year 2003

Dom

No, I haven't, but I have looked on MSNBC.com, and I think if any were found it would be front page news.

BWX

http://www.foxnews.com/index.html

try a fair and balanced news network

Dom

It has everything to do with it now.

We backed France up in WW2, they aren't returning the favour. That happened over 50yrs ago, but yet we still expect them to back us up.

Dom

ROFL, nice quote.

Dom

Let's look at it shall we..."WMD Materials Possibly Found". See the word possibly? You have to have solid evidence, even the US government has said that.

BWX

You are confusing to very different wars, even the staunchest supporters of infinate UN resolutions to let saddam stay in power will agree these wars are completely different in nature.

BWX

As I said, if they don't have it already, they will soon