The most anti-American country?

Dom · Apr 8, 2003, 10:27 PM

Just curious what country you guys think is the most anti-American.

JavaFox · Apr 9, 2003, 12:08 AM

France, of course. France has had books such as "Our American Enemy" and "The Obsession with Anti-Americanism" grace their best-seller lists. They are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, instead of working towards resolution.

BWX · Apr 9, 2003, 12:15 AM

You forgot to add Cananda to the list. But france is more Anti-American.

Highwood · Apr 9, 2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
You forgot to add Cananda to the list. But france is more Anti-American.

I donâ€™t think itâ€™s fair to call Canada an anti-American country, true there has been some anti-American sentiments expressed in the province of Quebec but please remember that they are French with a mentality that is much closer to the mentality of the people of France then it is to the mentality of the people of the rest of Canada, they donâ€™t much care for the people in the rest of Canada either. As for Canadaâ€™s decision not to join the coalition in the war, we have a French Prime minister, need I say more? The latest polls show that 72% of Canadians outside of the province of Quebec support what the US is doing in Iraq and think our prime minister made a horrible mistake when he decided not to support the USA in the War in Iraq. The last few weeks there have been several rallies in support of the USA in Canada but I guess they donâ€™t get as the same kind of press that the negative comments of a few individuals does.
Here is a web site where average Canadians are showing there support for the USA http://www.wesupporttheusa.ca/

HsuGotaQ · Apr 9, 2003, 01:38 AM

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Originally posted by Highwood
I donâ€™t think itâ€™s fair to call Canada an anti-American country, true there has been some anti-American sentiments expressed in the province of Quebec but please remember that they are French with a mentality that is much closer to the mentality of the people of France then it is to the mentality of the people of the rest of Canada, they donâ€™t much care for the people in the rest of Canada either. As for Canadaâ€™s decision not to join the coalition in the war, we have a French Prime minister, need I say more? The latest polls show that 72% of Canadians outside of the province of Quebec support what the US is doing in Iraq and think our prime minister made a horrible mistake when he decided not to support the USA in the War in Iraq. The last few weeks there have been several rallies in support of the USA in Canada but I guess they donâ€™t get as the same kind of press that the negative comments of a few individuals does.
Here is a web site where average Canadians are showing there support for the USA http://www.wesupporttheusa.ca/

I beg to differ.

1. First off, quebecers are pissed off (generaly) against both the french and the english thus breaking any "relation" with that country (and some part of the supposed "hill billy" Canada).
2. Your link might have somewhat actual "statistics", but the site itself is clearly biased to the war movement thus making it not that much of a reliable source. Give out some more stats and I might reconsider.
3. I was born in Toronto and move to Montreal. I am english first, quebecois second (my dads a scot and my mom is a quebecer). Your generalisation on behalf of the french speaking community of Canada is a disgrace. Sorry, but you offended me and your country.

LeanWolf · Apr 9, 2003, 01:39 AM

Wah! Who hates us the most, then listing the countries that won't support your war for oil and yet more power?! Wake up! Most middle east countries should rank a hell of a lot higher than Canada!

Gee, and I wonder why?!

Asmoday · Apr 9, 2003, 01:43 AM

Hey..!!..(sorry to hijack the thread)...do you live in Lulea Andy?...

BWX · Apr 9, 2003, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by luleandy
Wah! Who hates us the most, then listing the countries that won't support your war for oil and yet more power?! Wake up! Most middle east countries should rank a hell of a lot higher than Canada! Gee, and I wonder why?!

Must you ask why? Because they are jealous of our freedom and power.

LeanWolf · Apr 9, 2003, 01:48 AM

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Hey..!!..(sorry to hijack the thread)...do you live in Lulea Andy?...

Jepp! Give the man a prize! Heja Pite!

HsuGotaQ · Apr 9, 2003, 01:51 AM

Here are some statistics that might prove otherwise (for the canadian perspective that just is farkin dumb to start with) Leger Marketing Statistics .

Question: Do you believe that the United States is still justified in launching a war against Iraq when the Iraqis have come to an agreement with the UN for the return of inspectors?

Canada
YES: 25% NO: 51% DON'T KNOW: 25%

Question: If the United States were to launch a war against Iraq, do you agree or disagree with Canada actively participating in this war along with the United States?

Canada
YES: 33% NO: 52% DON'T KNOW: 14%

Historically, Quebecers never wanted to be part of any war. They have had enough with both there ex-motherland (france) and there new motherland (england/english canada).

Asmoday · Apr 9, 2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by luleandy

Jepp! Give the man a prize! Heja Pite!

Hehehe....tack,tack..

LeanWolf · Apr 9, 2003, 02:05 AM

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Must you ask why? Because they are jealous of our freedom and power.

Exactly! As the richest country in the world, you have the freedom and power to commit attrocities in whatever country you want, usually the poor ones with something to exploit.
Don't get me wrong, all rich countries use their power this way, it's human nature! As the richest, you just have to accept being the most hated. What actually pisses me off is the propaganda bullshit that is painted over what really goes on, not to mention the idiots that actually buy it. Of course national pride makes people want to believe said bullshit, but the rest of the world doesn't have that problem.

Dom · Apr 9, 2003, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by luleandy
Exactly! As the richest country in the world, you have the freedom and power to commit attrocities in whatever country you want, usually the poor ones with something to exploit.
Don't get me wrong, all rich countries use their power this way, it's human nature! As the richest, you just have to accept being the most hated. What actually pisses me off is the propaganda bullshit that is painted over what really goes on, not to mention the idiots that actually buy it. Of course national pride makes people want to believe said bullshit, but the rest of the world doesn't have that problem.

I have to agree with that.

BWX · Apr 9, 2003, 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by luleandy
Exactly! As the richest country in the world, you have the freedom and power to commit attrocities in whatever country you want, usually the poor ones with something to exploit.
Don't get me wrong, all rich countries use their power this way, it's human nature! As the richest, you just have to accept being the most hated. .

Yeah, we are going to spend 100+billion on a war for oil. OK, do you actually believe that? Just because your country is spineless don't be mad at a country because we have a backbone, sheeesh.

quote- "What actually pisses me off is the propaganda bullshit that is painted over what really goes on, not to mention the idiots that actually buy it."--- Like the things you just said.

Falstaff · Apr 9, 2003, 03:01 AM

N. Korea, come on people! anyone watching the news, reading the papers, any of them...please...

edperks · Apr 9, 2003, 03:15 AM

Look I support the WAR in IRAQ but I do not like bashing Canada or the French they have their right not to agree with us. Let just leave it at that.

Apr 9, 2003, 04:30 AM

screw those jealous french... they are just jealous of us for what we can do. Any other country can become just as powerful as we are. And they can have the same economy. Hell they could be better than us! We are just the only country probably in history to really ALWAYS drive forward! If France would just have more small business owners and stop focusing on clothes then they could be like us. Instead of the wimps and winers they are!

Dom · Apr 9, 2003, 04:43 AM

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Originally posted by edperks
Look I support the WAR in IRAQ but I do not like bashing Canada or the French they have their right not to agree with us. Let just leave it at that.

I agree...atleast they're standing-up for what they believe in.

Vampyromaniac · Apr 9, 2003, 04:46 AM

Seems like this is not a poll of who is most anti-American, but rather who is America most "anti-" towards? Looks like anti-France.
Do you think Chirac hates America? Don't you think Hussein or maybe the Ayatollah Khamenei might hate America more?

I wonder if Al-Qaeda was included in the list (yes I know it's not a country

), would France still be winning?

EDIT: ditto Dom

Dom · Apr 9, 2003, 05:00 AM

America does not follow any countries order, America pioneers it's own way. France is not following Americas order, they've chose not to fight in this war. Since France is trying to make it's own way, just like America. Since they are acting like America in choosing to do what they want...people see this as being anti-American?

BWX · Apr 9, 2003, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Dom
America does not follow any countries order, America pioneers it's own way. France is not following Americas order, they've chose not to fight in this war. Since France is trying to make it's own way, just like America. Since they are acting like America in choosing to do what they want...people see this as being anti-American?

NO NO NO- All wrong, France is JEALOUS because they have almost no real power in the world compared to the US so they want to try to chop us down a few notches w/ their antics. They also want to try to *embarass us. So don't confuse what France is trying to do with what the US is trying to do- you cannot compare them.
France is purposefully trying to block any international leadership the US employs- that is nothing like what we are trying to do by taking a stand against terrorism. France is only out to protect it's bank account. Not the same as trying to protect the innocent lives of the entire world, let's not be ridiculous here.

* LOL- definition is: [French embarrasser, to encumber, hamper, from Spanish embarazar, from Italian imbarazzare, from imbarazzo, obstacle, obstruction, from imbarrare, to block, bar : in-, in (from Latin. See en-1) + barra, bar (from Vulgar Latin *barra).]

Dom · Apr 9, 2003, 05:49 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
NO NO NO- All wrong, France is JEALOUS because they have almost no real power in the world compared to the US so they want to try to chop us down a few notches w/ their antics. They also want to try to *embarass us. So don't confuse what France is trying to do with what the US is trying to do- you cannot compare them.
France is purposefully trying to block any international leadership the US employs- that is nothing like what we are trying to do by taking a stand against terrorism. France is only out to protect it's bank account. Not the same as trying to protect the innocent lives of the entire world, let's not be ridiculous here.

* LOL- definition is: [French embarrasser, to encumber, hamper, from Spanish embarazar, from Italian imbarazzare, from imbarazzo, obstacle, obstruction, from imbarrare, to block, bar : in-, in (from Latin. See en-1) + barra, bar (from Vulgar Latin *barra).]

You're brainwashed. You only see what you want to see, I won't try and change your mind because you are hopeless. You think America is always right and anyone whom opposes her is worng.

France is jealous. America owns the world because they are the olny super power.

Let's all shout USA, USA, and pretend we don't brainwash our children with this crap.

BWX · Apr 9, 2003, 05:59 AM

Oh you don't think France is jealous? Come on- You don't think they blocked us in the UN w/ their pitiful vetoes? Who is brainwashed? Well lets make this a fair discussion, where on earth do you live?

Dom · Apr 9, 2003, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Oh you don't think France is jealous? Come on- You don't think they blocked us in the UN w/ their pitiful vetoes? Who is brainwashed? Well lets make this a fair discussion, where on earth do you live?

They blocked the vote because they wanted to, just as the US would if there was a vote on something we didn't like. Don't try and act like America is innocent.

I used to think just like you, I used to defend the US's actions right and left no matter what they did. The truth is out there, not to be lame, but if you're too blind to see it then there is no reason to discuss this.

Oh, and I live in the same place you do.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Apr 9, 2003, 06:47 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
You forgot to add Cananda to the list. But france is more Anti-American.

canadins are mostly french anyway

BWX · Apr 9, 2003, 09:01 AM

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Originally posted by Dom
They blocked the vote because they wanted to, just as the US would if there was a vote on something we didn't like. Don't try and act like America is innocent.

I used to think just like you, I used to defend the US's actions right and left no matter what they did. The truth is out there, not to be lame, but if you're too blind to see it then there is no reason to discuss this.

Oh, and I live in the same place you do.

I never said I agree with everything they do- far from it-

BUT I do agree with some things they do, I am very pleasantly surprised that my government has basically said f' off to the UN and France- I think it is great- they got exactly what they deserve.

So anyway, you say you disagree with this?:

France is JEALOUS because they have almost no real power in the world compared to the US so they want to try to chop us down a few notches w/ their antics. They also want to try to embarass us. So don't confuse what France is trying to do with what the US is trying to do- you cannot compare them.
France is purposefully trying to block any international leadership the US employs- that is nothing like what we are trying to do by taking a stand against terrorism. France is only out to protect it's bank account. Not the same as trying to protect the innocent lives of the entire world, let's not be ridiculous here.

You live on planet earth? Is that what you meant by "the same place" or do you live outside the US? If you don't want to say I understand and won't ask you again, but you refered to where I live so maybe you will tell me where you live.

Falstaff · Apr 9, 2003, 09:01 AM

Canadians? nah.......N. Korea!...ah jeez...

Vampyromaniac · Apr 9, 2003, 09:42 AM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
canadins are mostly french anyway

That is incorrect.

BWX, why do you think France is jealous?

Falstaff · Apr 9, 2003, 09:55 AM

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France is JEALOUS because they have almost no real power in the world compared to the US so they want to try to chop us down a few notches w/ their antics. They also want to try to embarass us. So don't confuse what France is trying to do with what the US is trying to do- you cannot compare them.
France is purposefully trying to block any international leadership the US employs- that is nothing like what we are trying to do by taking a stand against terrorism. France is only out to protect it's bank account. Not the same as trying to protect the innocent lives of the entire world, let's not be ridiculous here.

You live on planet earth? Is that what you meant by "the same place" or do you live outside the US? If you don't want to say I understand and won't ask you again, but you refered to where I live so maybe you will tell me where you live.- BWX232

The French Jealous?......

I will ask the same question......

I don't like Villipen, but jeez man...have you ever been there? met any French people? Read the news?
What is the basis for your opinion......you can feel anyway you want, your right...but please, justify your position with more clarity please, I can respect that..The French by the way, deal with terrorism as well.
In the eyes of Muslim fundamentalists and our muslim allies, they are "infidels" just like Americans...

Falstaff · Apr 9, 2003, 09:57 AM

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Dom
No talent ass-clown

America does not follow any countries order, America pioneers it's own way. France is not following Americas order, they've chose not to fight in this war. Since France is trying to make it's own way, just like America. Since they are acting like America in choosing to do what they want...people see this as being anti-American?

Example of a valid point....or question...

Apr 8, 2003, 10:27 PM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	The most anti-American country? Just curious what country you guys think is the most anti-American.

Apr 9, 2003, 01:39 AM	#6
LeanWolf alpha male Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Skyrim Posts: 5,702 Rep Power: 80 System Specs	Wah! Who hates us the most, then listing the countries that won't support your war for oil and yet more power?! Wake up! Most middle east countries should rank a hell of a lot higher than Canada! Gee, and I wonder why?! __________________

Apr 9, 2003, 01:43 AM	#7
Asmoday Demonic Join Date: May 2002 Location: In the cold, dark north... Posts: 5,198 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Hey..!!..(sorry to hijack the thread)...do you live in Lulea Andy?... __________________ How You can help Hardwareheaven by using Digg

Apr 9, 2003, 03:01 AM	#15
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	Bashing the french again N. Korea, come on people! anyone watching the news, reading the papers, any of them...please... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 9, 2003, 04:46 AM	#19
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 74 System Specs	Seems like this is not a poll of who is most anti-American, but rather who is America most "anti-" towards? Looks like anti-France. Do you think Chirac hates America? Don't you think Hussein or maybe the Ayatollah Khamenei might hate America more? I wonder if Al-Qaeda was included in the list (yes I know it's not a country ), would France still be winning? EDIT: ditto Dom __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Apr 9, 2003, 12:08 AM	#2
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	France, of course. France has had books such as "Our American Enemy" and "The Obsession with Anti-Americanism" grace their best-seller lists. They are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, instead of working towards resolution.

Apr 9, 2003, 12:15 AM	#3
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	You forgot to add Cananda to the list. But france is more Anti-American.

Apr 9, 2003, 01:51 AM	#10
HsuGotaQ Hydrogenated Dumbass Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canuckland Posts: 755 Rep Power: 0	Here are some statistics that might prove otherwise (for the canadian perspective that just is farkin dumb to start with) Leger Marketing Statistics . Question: Do you believe that the United States is still justified in launching a war against Iraq when the Iraqis have come to an agreement with the UN for the return of inspectors? Canada YES: 25% NO: 51% DON'T KNOW: 25% Question: If the United States were to launch a war against Iraq, do you agree or disagree with Canada actively participating in this war along with the United States? Canada YES: 33% NO: 52% DON'T KNOW: 14% Historically, Quebecers never wanted to be part of any war. They have had enough with both there ex-motherland (france) and there new motherland (england/english canada).

Apr 9, 2003, 03:15 AM	#16
edperks HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 780 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Look I support the WAR in IRAQ but I do not like bashing Canada or the French they have their right not to agree with us. Let just leave it at that.

Apr 9, 2003, 04:30 AM	#17
generalstupid Guest Posts: n/a	screw those jealous french... they are just jealous of us for what we can do. Any other country can become just as powerful as we are. And they can have the same economy. Hell they could be better than us! We are just the only country probably in history to really ALWAYS drive forward! If France would just have more small business owners and stop focusing on clothes then they could be like us. Instead of the wimps and winers they are!

Apr 9, 2003, 05:00 AM	Thread Starter #20
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	America does not follow any countries order, America pioneers it's own way. France is not following Americas order, they've chose not to fight in this war. Since France is trying to make it's own way, just like America. Since they are acting like America in choosing to do what they want...people see this as being anti-American?

Apr 9, 2003, 05:59 AM	#23
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,665 Rep Power: 109 System Specs	Oh you don't think France is jealous? Come on- You don't think they blocked us in the UN w/ their pitiful vetoes? Who is brainwashed? Well lets make this a fair discussion, where on earth do you live?

Apr 9, 2003, 09:01 AM	#27
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	Oaks and Maples Canadians? nah.......N. Korea!...ah jeez... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."