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| a theocracy, possibly oppressive |
   
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| a monarchy, the royal house still exists. |
  
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| a democracy, with new freedoms for the people. |
  
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| dictatorship, similiar to previous government that was in power for two generations. |
  
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| Occupation government, similiar to the MacArthur occupation style of postwar Japan... |
  
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| Other-please specify or clarify in threads.. |
  
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Apr 20, 2003, 04:53 PM
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Theocracy?
Iraq has become a nation divided again, though occupation forces attempt to keep the peace and finish the task of finding all the faces on the deck of cards, the IRAQI people are rising up, albiet with the influence of IRANIAN activists and muslim fundamentalists. The coalition may well be able to finish the job of finding any evidence of WMD, but as the clock ticks away, IRAQI's are exercising their right to self determination. This may accelerate the time table and be the most profound catalyst for change in IRAQ.
What government should the IRAQI people place themselves under..? Can they successfully rebuild a government based on a theocracy, that is historically oppressive? Is IRAQ in danger of dissolving away into factions of fueding religious groups? What would you do if someone put you in charge of rebuilding IRAQ's government..
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Other, Whatever the Iraqi's decide. Supposedly we went over there to give them freedom, get the hell out now that our job is done and let them figure it out. Yes we'll spend money on rebuilding, but if we're serious about offering them freedom then let them have it.
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Apr 20, 2003, 05:28 PM
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There is a big risk as i see it that we will see the same thing as in Algeria happening.They voted in favour of a muslim state.
That wasnt what was expected of the people to vote for.....so..the militaery took over and since then they are a full blown dictatorship...nobody in the west has any problems with this dictatorship... That is called double standards.The muslims of the world know aboutr this game.That is also why they donty trust us. Some of them hate us for it. Free elections...that do not give the expected results....well often they lead to dictatorship...from the other side. Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Apr 20, 2003 at 05:33 PM. |
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Apr 20, 2003, 06:19 PM
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My feeling entirely, however the problem remains, religious fundamentalists are a real threat, but the soldiers for that fundamentalist message, a regrouped terrorist organization or perhaps even. A strong theocracy, however oppressive, might throttle or perhaps focus the IRAQI people, Sunni or Shiite? Quote:
yes, I am afraid the IRAQI people have always know we were once allies with Saddam, and perhaps they might blame us for the suffering they endured..Had IRAN won, would there have been a powerful allie to the U.S. now, or a more powerful allie to Al Quida, or would Al Quida have even existed..what went through Bin Ladens mind, when he decided that the real threat to the muslim world were infidels like Russia, Germany, France and the USA?, did our support of the Shah of IRAN, and then Saddam inspire him to wage war on the free world, but that is what surely has come to pass...
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Why, after all those WWII paralels, nobody thinks of a post-WWII solution?
It's way too early for democracy, sad, but that's the way it is. Lumpens all over the place, looting and what not - if you lived in Iraq, wouldn't you vote for whoever guarantees order... Religious or secular. The Iraqi society is sick, it needs some time to heal. It needs a Nurenberg, imo.
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It needs a Nurembureg surely but the Americans have flushed that solutiuon down the toilet by keeping the UN outside.
There can not be a Nuremberg solution administred by the USA. Whatsmore....if there was one...then Americans would be charged for crimes against humanity too while supporting Saddam so...there will be no such thing as a Nuremberg trial. There was none in Afghanistan...either...had there been...then the full story about Usa`s support for Bin Laden would have been revealed. Bluelight |
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Apr 21, 2003, 02:47 PM
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I don't think the U.N. is outside per se..But the coalition wants to root out the bad guys first... Quote:
Yes, Saddam held them all together with an iron hand...the IRAQI people are familiar with democracy, but how well it might work is anyones guess, lots of criminals and banished and expatriated citizens are returning with aspirations and concerns...and there are also "carpet baggers" bringing solutions in a suitcase, they will take what they need and leave......
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Bit off topic but....Russia now says...they will veto against lifting the sanctions against Iraq...unless the UN gets an adquate role whyen it comes to WMD´search etc.
Very very good. That means Wolfwitz will put on his "punishersuite" as he did with France. That is also good.Nice to see him show his trueself. Bluelight |
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Apr 22, 2003, 01:01 AM
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punishersuite?
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What? please explain this word? Punishersuite? If I don't understand this term, I am afraid that would be a disastrophy...ha ha... Seriously, do you think Russia will get away with it? What Putin is doing is very Russian anyway..
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Punisher suite....well...working clothes for someone with that specific job :-)
' Wolfwitz said earlier that France "was gonna pay" a high price for not accepting the Us dictates in the UN..so i figure he see`s it as his job to "punish". Seems now France is slowly changing tone.The economic pressure and blackmail from Usa is starting to work. Bluelight |
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A high price
It seems that Russia, Germany, France and even the U.S. have paid a high price, if not in money, at least in prestige..The coaltion forces can recover it pending the final outcome of the objectives and goals in the last war, but money.....gone I am afraid...
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