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AMERICA...first to rebuild IRAQ
It is almost a certainty before the war ended the American corporations would rebuild IRAQ, now it is a fact as well, Germany will certainly have a large portion of the business as well. However this will be difficult with a potentiol Theocratic government rising from the Muslim's that wish to regain religiouis control. I think we should employ as many IRAQI's as possible to avoid further problems in the future. No doubt the formally oppressed peoples of IRAQ are going to have their own Jihad if the Iranians have their way...
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Im sorry but there will be no such thing as democracy in Iraq.Iraq will be occupied and ruled by Usa.
Usa has already decided that they will have a minimum of four major militray bases in Iraq in the future. Usa will also be the ones tnat will handle the reconstruction of Iraq. Usa will never allow a government that is not aloigned with the political agenda of Usa in the mideast. A democratically choose government that follows...this agenda of Usa is very likely an impossibility. So..... And yes there will probably bge a Jihad the minute you refuse the majority what they want but...i dont think your government ever calculated with anything else. Btw...... Today i read that Powell when asked in a tv show....if Usa should punish France for not having been part of the coalition....... His answer was .....Yes France must be punished. Punished...... He actually said they must be.....punished.... Well.....I say get rid of these morons before its to late.Many look upon them as fascists...soon i will too unless they cut it off... http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/N...90459/Article/ France has suggested that parts of the sanctions should be lifted. Usa want all of them to be lifted. Thats not gonna happen i hope. Bluelight Last edited by bluelight; Apr 24, 2003 at 05:40 PM. |
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Apr 25, 2003, 02:12 AM
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Im sorry but there will be no such thing as democracy in Iraq.Iraq will be occupied and ruled by Usa. Usa has already decided that they will have a minimum of four major militray bases in Iraq in the future. Usa will also be the ones tnat will handle the reconstruction of Iraq. Usa will never allow a government that is not aloigned with the political agenda of Usa in the mideast. * I understood that the bases were temporary and are in operation right now. I am sure the tenure of the other bases, regardless of size, is dependent on the continuing mission of peace keeping during a transition. But the nation of IRAQ has had years to build up a vast stores of weapons and resources that wil no doubt be revealed during inspections in country by either the U.N. or the United States. As far as the political alignment, it is certain that pro-shiia muslims might become a threat. A theocracy, even within the measure of continued U.S. support wouldn't be a bad idea, unless the people elected a leader and he gave us a timetable...that could still happen.* A democratically choose government that follows...this agenda of Usa is very likely an impossibility. * I disagree, in fact that is what the US wants but a strong and compasionete theocracy would suffice too. * And yes there will probably bge a Jihad the minute you refuse the majority what they want but...i dont think your government ever calculated with anything else. *The Jihad for all it's future impact is going on now, Jihad doesn't mean war in the truest since, it is a journey back to God* Btw...... Today i read that Powell when asked in a tv show....if Usa should punish France for not having been part of the coalition.......His answer was .....Yes France must be punished. Punished......He actually said they must be.....punished.... *The French government will be punished openly for its refusal to assist the coalition, when they too had made tremendous investments in men and material before, if you recall, Frances foriegn minister and even Chirac is changing his point of view, but I think it is all for not..* Well.....I say get rid of these morons before its to late.Many look upon them as fascists...soon i will too unless they cut it off... http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/...090459/Article/ France has suggested that parts of the sanctions should be lifted. Usa want all of them to be lifted. Thats not gonna happen i hope. Bluelight * I am sure it was the other way around, the U.S. knows that progress won't be made until all the sanctions are lifted, France is humiliated? perhaps, but now the dissenters must find a place on the political and economic bus or wait for another ride....
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All France is saying...and Russia+ loads of other countries.is: Un must have a major role in the rrbuildong of Iraq and in the continuing weapon inspections. Personally i say: If Usa does not listen to this,then that is enough proof of Usa`s real intention with this. A Usa...that talks in this way about....."Punishing" ( i mean the word is bleeding ridiculous for grown men) has no respect at all from me futurewise. Bluelight |
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Just reading that Usa has blocked a proposal in the security council so send peace keeping forces to the Ivory coast in Africa.The claim it is too expensive.
The cost would ´be 27 million dolars to be shared between the participant countries. Irak has cost bilioons and zillions of dollars. The proposal was made by France. Now my question is: Which punishment would be approprite against Usa for having not agreed with France in a matter related to the UN? Surely Usa must be punished ? Or am i all wrong here about how these things are to be run?? Well maybe...Been reading to many official statements by Rumsfeld Cheney Wolfiwitz latley ........only a complete moron would ask for Usa to be punished for not having agreed with someone else...or? But then.....France is to be punished for not having agreeed with Usa...?? Well.... Ill leave the logic explaination to someone who understands rightwing extreme logic... Bluelight |
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Apr 25, 2003, 01:50 PM
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Yes, because there is no real way to estimate the amount of money it would take to maintain a presence in the Ivory coast, but I think it is distrust for the Security council in the wake of the last war. The Congo is equally as bad, and then we have the looming crisis in N. Korea, and the future conflict in Syria after more is revealed. I have been saying this all along...N. Korea will take us to the edge of nuclear war to get what they want. Syria will begin to seek assistance from Mother Russia, and gradually we will see a partnership evolve. Syria no doubt has given asylum to IRAQI thugs that fled the Coalition forces. Rumsfeld is dead serious when he threatens Syria and Iran, he means business, no theocracy in IRAQ, stay out of coalition affairs and stay out of IRAQ...we will see if the fundamentalists pay heed. The same mindless assualts on American tanks with suicide vests or on Israeli buses, will certainly be the same fuel for fundamentalists from IRAN to create their own "fifth column" in IRAQ. They never forgot the fact that without help from the U.S. IRAN would have won their war with IRAQ and probably taken back traditional territory. IRAQ was created artificially by western powers (british and french) Quote:
I do not honestly believe that any steps that France takes in the future will be as harsh as their refusal to assist the Coaltion Forces. Chirac and Villipin might we be remembered for changing direction politically after the war. The United States is forcing the French to "play" along. No the USA will not be punished yet, history is the harshest judge and critic, this may take years to finally gel. As far as how it is run, the French would do well to heed warnings and advice from U.S. right now. They don't have to agree, but France has lost some prestige politically, and that never bothered them before, but I suppose the fear of being involved in another world conflict with the humiliation of being beaten again and rescued by the U.S. again was a ghost in the whole machine. But they want to maintain this "moderate" profile. They would benefit from a Pacifist and non violent policy overseas...more business for them. Americans tend to kick some bad guy butt, remove threats, create a bubble of freedom for oppressed peoples, and assuming we don't screw it up, give oppressed countries a chance to rebuild. That argument alone really draws some serious criticism but it is a pattern. Bush is serious, mess the U.S. and countries will pay the price. No hit squads, no covert activity, just plain old military action executed on a grand scale, with precise goals. Quote:
Bluelight I don't know if it is Right wing logic, I think it is more a combination of Nationalism, Cowboy foriegn policy, and Massive military power. This conflict has polarized the American people against the new threat on the horizen. Bush wants us to prepare. And Ashcroft will no doubt prosecute internal threats with the same vigor that General Franks did in IRAQ...more is to come... remember N. Korea...it is coming soon, to a head, no more threats, they will take action. Syria, they will have to lay their cards on the table soon...reveal the WMD and turn over IRAQIs The hunt for Osama Bin Laden continues, we sweep the mountian sides in Pakistan for him. Bush wants to focus on domestic issues, and fix the mistake made by his father years before. We have to take care of the economy now, create some economic euphoria, instill confidence in the plan, get reelected and change the government for the better in the United States.... but I fear I see the mark of the beast... I see big brother on my shoulder.... I see future conflicts that we will win.... and a direction towards a disasterous pattern..
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Apr 25, 2003, 02:06 PM
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I think in Sweden, Bluelight would be a liberal, look at Swedens constitution and recent history of sensitivity to world political issues, he is conisistent with questions raised by popular Swedish media. Quote:
Not nazi's in Sweden but Fascists, the Swedes have a remarkable history of building fantastic weapons. Bluelight seems to echo popular sentiment in Sweden, check out their news. I am not saying Bluelight is a mouthpiece for popular media in Sweden, but he walks the same line as many in his country. The Swedes are really deeply involved in politics at home and abroad..This is not an endorsement for anything, but I wish more Americans were as senstive to world and domestic political issues as the Swedes, they enjoy more freedom in their country than say other european countries, and maintain a firm grip on it. By the way, the Germans will get a chance to rebuild IRAQ soon...they aren't out of the picture at all.
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Apr 25, 2003, 02:35 PM
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Jeff.
Thanks for a reasonable and thoughtful reply.Ill read it thoroughly tonight.  Neon...go read a history book....See exactly....who`s monster Saddam was...Ok? Bluey Last edited by bluelight; Apr 25, 2003 at 07:37 PM. |
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Got any better resolution
I want to frame this one, haha and do you have the one with Chirac too?
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this from an ... anti war website .... http://sf.indymedia.org/features/antiwar/ agesnt the iraqy war and the freedom of the iraqy people .... headlines like.. US Marines Kill Iraqi Protesters, Other Iraqis Endure New Freedom to Obey Occupying Army  this is purly anti-us proaganda kinda like bluelight 
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that picture quilty is so bad it looks like it was took in the 60s, so fakery is more than easy here are better fakerys if your photo is real then maybe so are these bucose they are evan a better image quailty and hundred of time harder to fake.............
  
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Well...talking to you is a complete waste of time since you are brainwashed.
The image Shows Rumsfeld....licking Saddams ass. It is a real image of a meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam when Rumsfeld worked for a previous Us government. It is a fact That Cia helped SAddams Batth party into power in 1958. It is a fact That Usa sold and gave loads...of weapons,weapon technology and intelligence to Iraq during Iraq`s war against Iran. A war that killed three million peole. It is a fact that Saddam regularly used nervegas dureing this war and that Usa knew about this. It isd a fact that Iran sent soldiers hurt by Iraq`i nervegas to be treated in Sweden and to show the world...what was going on. All of them sent here....died in hospitals here. It is a fact that Saddam killed 5000 peole in Halbaja with nervegas in 1988 and that Us continued their support for Saddam another three years after this....even....thougfh the Us senate had taken a decision...not to continue the support because of this. You can dig your head dowen into the sand while continuing chewing your hamburger...eventually the sand will grind down your teeth and the lies that feeds you will choke you. Get your head out of the dirt before you do. Dont bother to post any garbage images that are proof of nothing. I ..am telling the truth. ..you are posting..garbage and none of it will change that Saddam is and was... YOUR FRANKENSTEIN whos actions has cost more lives than any other these last 30 40 years. Bluelight |
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[QUOTE]Well...talking to you is a complete waste of time since you are brainwashed.
The image Shows Rumsfeld....licking Saddams ass.QUOTE] Rumsfeld didn't lick Saddams ass, he handed Hussien a document, reinforced shaky relations and got a photo op, I can tell you based on what I know about Rumsfeld, he trusts few if any world leaders.. [QUOTE] It is a real image of a meeting between Rumsfeld and Saddam when Rumsfeld worked for a previous Us government. It is a fact That Cia helped SAddams Batth party into power in 1958.QUOTE] Yeh, I think I mentioned that a few hundred threads ago, it is a fact that the CIA provided some information for Saddam Hussien, but it was unsuccessful, Several assassins were killed but Hussien got away wounded, and ran into someone else while he was in Egypt.........Anwar Sadat.. [QUOTE] It is a fact That Usa sold and gave loads...of weapons,weapon technology and intelligence to Iraq during Iraq`s war against Iran. A war that killed three million peole. It is a fact that Saddam regularly used nervegas dureing this war and that Usa knew about this. It isd a fact that Iran sent soldiers hurt by Iraq`i nervegas to be treated in Sweden and to show the world...what was going on.QUOTE] Actually, Rumsfeld found this disturbing and it weakened and eventually eroded support for Hussien, and the Stark incident didn't help...Hussien's regime would have crumbled and IRAQ would have been overrun without our support...IRONIC isn't it. [QUOTE]All of them sent here....died in hospitals here. It is a fact that Saddam killed 5000 peole in Halbaja with nervegas in 1988 and that Us continued their support for Saddam another three years after this....even....thougfh the Us senate had taken a decision...not to continue the support because of this.QUOTE] [QUOTE]You can dig your head dowen into the sand while continuing chewing your hamburger...eventually the sand will grind down your teeth and the lies that feeds you will choke youQUOTE]. Is this an arabic slur or insult, ha ha....may flys infest your armpits is better, ha ha.. [QUOTE]Get your head out of the dirt before you do. Dont bother to post any garbage images that are proof of nothing. I ..am telling the truth. ..you are posting..garbage and none of it will change that Saddam is and was... YOUR FRANKENSTEIN whos actions has cost more lives than any other these last 30 40 years.QUOTE] Everyone knows about Rumsfeld and Hussien. There are images of lots of other americans shaking saddams hand...no shit....it doesn't matter, in the world arena, we do what we must to survive politically and we do even worse things to influence, change, rearrange, and repolarize the political enviornment....it is just reality.... If you want to call Hussien our Frankenstien, then so be it, we knew what he was when we supported him, but at that time he had only betrayed the Kurds once, killed only a few of his family members, and eliminated all his detractors already, I mean what do you want? He was still kissing babies right? Stalin is rolling in his grave, if was still around he could have given Hussien lots of tips....or maybe not, Hussien didn't even finish school, and he carried that with him his whole life...or perhaps to his death..
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Did 5000 peole get killed in Halbja while you wre contuÃ*nully supporting Sadam Hussein??
Did Saddam Hussein use nervegas in the war you suported against Iran? Were several people in ypun current government involved in the governments aciive at that time? Do you (Your government...and of course or friend Neon)have any reason at all...whining about other nations faults back in time when it comes to Iraq? All im asking for is:Yes...we were assholes and...we have no right to accuse others for things that we are higly guilty of ourselves. We will try and repair that in the future but....backwards in time....we have nothing.....against anyone since we have been acting dubiously ourselves and thus can not whine about neither France Germany or anyone else. That all But...i figure that would be impossible..because that would be telling the truth. You talk about doing the "possible" Jeff. There are many ways.You choose one of them. It was wrong. Unless you are capable of saying that loud and clear...instead of putting the blame on others when you yourselves were the main actor on the scene......you will have serious problems with credibility. You as a nation need to be humble about history if not..this will end real bad. Bluelight |
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[/B] [QUOTE]Did 5000 peole get killed in Halbja while you wre contuÃ*nully supporting Sadam Hussein??Did 5000 peole get killed in Halbja while you wre contuÃ*nully supporting Sadam Hussein??[QUOTE]
Yes................. [QUOTE]Did Saddam Hussein use nervegas in the war you suported against Iran?[QUOTE] yes................ [QUOTE]Were several people in ypun current government involved in the governments aciive at that time?[QUOTE] yes................ [QUOTE]Do you (Your government...and of course or friend Neon)have any reason at all...whining about other nations faults back in time when it comes to Iraq?[QUOTE] hmmmm. cant understand that one, sounds like two questions.. But no, we participated in a joint effort....remember France, germany, russia....especially after the fall of the wall... [QUOTE]All im asking for is:Yes...we were assholes and...we have no right to accuse others for things that we are higly guilty of ourselves.[QUOTE] ASSHOLES.............like opinions....everyone has one, ha ha... [QUOTE]We will try and repair that in the future but....backwards in time....we have nothing.....against anyone since we have been acting dubiously ourselves and thus can not whine about neither France Germany or anyone else. The what ifs will kill you man. it is better to smooth over the wrinkles in the diplomatic bedsheets, because it tell you what...Politics makes strange bed fellows. ha ha. [/B] [QUOTE]That all But...i figure that would be impossible..because that would be telling the truth. You talk about doing the "possible" Jeff. There are many ways.You choose one of them. It was wrong. Unless you are capable of saying that loud and clear...instead of putting the blame on others when you yourselves were the main actor on the scene......you will have serious problems with credibility. You as a nation need to be humble about history if not..this will end real bad.[B][QUOTE] The truth....you cant handle the truth...(jack nicholsen) It was the evil of two lessers, not lesser of two evils. We knew that IRAN would somehow and someway muster support for a theocracy in IRAQ if Hussien lost, it was going to happen unless Reagen did something quick, I am not defending the administrations actions, nor am a supporter of Reagen diplomacy, but it happened. IRAQ would have probably become a powerful theocracy and Osama Bin Laden would have never been able to muster the support that he has now. And this war, and the Gulf War would have never happened...but that is a "what if" to answer for the sins and crimes of previous administrations is ludacris and unproductive. I prefer to remain focused on the objective and execute the plan is the primary effort of this administration... the focus has been sharpened, the objectives have been achieved, the goals are remote but tenable... now it is time to root out the vipers and cut their heads off. and with the same vigor..allow the IRAQI people exercise self determination... for peace....and for war our military...THE UNITED STATES MILITARY stands ready, stands proud and stands with honored and hallowed members of the elite communityi that have come before them. The few, the proud and the brave....the MARINES, the NAVY, AIRFORCE, and OUR FANTASTIC ARMOURED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY......OOOOORAH.. In peace and in war, we wil help those nations on the path to freedom.....[B][QUOTE]
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Apr 27, 2003, 04:48 PM
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A trend here
Neon, your taking bluelight to the fence, he's a good guy, why don't you just P.M. him, or do you really want to take him to the FWZ, he won't go there, he just gets more irritated
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