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Old Mar 8, 2008, 07:52 AM   #1
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Zeitgeist Movie.

I am new here so if you had previously discussed zeitgeist, dont get mad at me, i didnt take the time to look at your forums past threads. If you have no idea what zeitgeist is, then please let me explain.

Zeitgeist is a non profit documentary on religion, 911, and our current economy, and brings up the theory of a possible conspiracy within the U.S government. While this might seem foolish to you all, a little investigation and you might find yourself a bit worried.. some of the information brought out in the video is eye opening. It starts to get a bit far fetched at the end, but all in all it uses real facts, and brings up some serious issues.. please watch the free video.. and bear with me, during part one, as it might seem fake..but it isnt.. You may download the torrent on the downloads page for the remastered edition, if you happen to stick with it. If you truly believe that this is something that should be heard from others, then help to spread the word, if not, then i guess you can flame me?

Zeitgeist - The Movie

The U.S government has fooled you once again.. has fooled you into believing that men hiding in a cave wearing turbans, had inflicted the deepest wound, on the most powerful country in the world, by themselves..
The media has distracted you, and lied to you. Made you believe something that doesn't make any sense at all.. Wake up, because outside of your house lies incoming trouble, regarding our economy, and our current status amongst other countries.

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not a bad piece, definatly something to balance out the rediculas crap the corp. media spews about here in the US. alot of that movie was clips taken from other works
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Well...if you believe that, you will believe this one too

Moon Hoax Documentary
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Moon Hoax Documentary
....um, no

if a movie so inspires someone, fiction or non, to want to talk about things, things that are going on around them, this is not a bad thing. If it opens your eyes, making you more aware of your surroundings, be just that and call out the situation, ask questions, demand answers, dig deeper and take it all with a grain a salt, find your own truth and you will find others who are willing to be free with you.
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@ thread starter, you dont start a thread on DH then ask for people to discuss it via email. I have removed your email address from the thread, if I see this happening again you will be banned. This isn't a free billboard for announcements.
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@ thread starter, you dont start a thread on DH then ask for people to discuss it via email. I have removed your email address from the thread, if I see this happening again you will be banned. This isn't a free billboard for announcements.
agree with you FWIW, thought it would be strange to discuss in email when we can discuss right here in a cival manner, hope to see OP return for discussion
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sorry..dont see your logic. I was under the impression that under certain circumstances, people might find it easier to discuss things via email, or msn messenger. Banning somebody for something like that isnt right, no need to attack somebody that is new to a forum, respect is a two way street I suppose. Ill kindly remove things from my post, next time you ask me.

That being said, has anyone seen it yet? Its main focus was on 911 but i wasnt sure you would all take it seriously, because people are in fact sick of foolish conspiracy theory movies, and such. But something about this one seemed to catch my interested, especially since it is so well known, and people have tried to question it but have come up with nothing.
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and people have tried to question it but have come up with nothing.
LOL...ya, I was almost interested until I read that.

I've this is the kind of bullshit you're selling count me out. Every conspiracy theory gets debunked if you can't find places that have done this you aren't looking hard enough.
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theres more logic in the zeitgiest documentry then there is in anything the public media or government documents have spit out....

how can anyone trust a government that would shoot thier own president dead....
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theres more logic in the zeitgiest documentry then there is in anything the public media or government documents have spit out....

how can anyone trust a government that would shoot thier own president dead....
And what president was that? JFK? Conspiracy theorists are just that, theorists. They never have any proof to back their claims.
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Logic? How about this for logic. Just how could anyone think that a conspiricy this large could possibly be kept secret. With as many people that would have to be involved it just wouldn't be possible.

Try these links and then tell me that it was all done by the eeeeevvvviiilllleeeee Boooooossssshhhhh and/or the Us Govt.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

Journal Of Debunking* 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage

And, if reading makes your head hurt...here's a video from NOVA on PBS

Why the Towers Fell PBS 9/11 Documentary
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sorry..dont see your logic. I was under the impression that under certain circumstances, people might find it easier to discuss things via email, or msn messenger.
I don't really care if you see my logic or not, thats the way it is. This is a forum not a public billboard for you to start asking our public to debate issues with you in email. Simple as that. If someone wants to email you or chat with you they can look up your profile. I am also sure you wouldn't be happy getting a bunch of spam and nonsense emails from the plethora of spider trawls on this site. So consider it me protecting your email account .....

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I didn't ban you, I told you if you did this again I would - these forums are polluted with nonsense and scams as you have so few posts its a necessary precaution. Why should I respect you for posting a thread? I didn't ask for your respect either, I told you how to approach these threads which you will do next time or ill remove you.

An attack is a verbal or physical insult, not a person in charge of a site giving you a warning for something which is becoming a common issue on these forums.

As you haven't "posted and ran", I guess you are genuine, so feel free to debate it with our public any questions check out the stickies in the feedback forum.....

I have also removed omegareds insulting image as I don't think it is fitting for the thread starter either, especially as I have ascertained its a legitimate post.
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that's all counter productive...


the fact remains that no one is going to completely agree on any matter for sure unless it's right in thier face....
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so what of the FRB and that whole shotty ass setup? the whole 911 thing was a catalyst, inside job or not, maybe have look see here
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I don't really care if you see my logic or not, thats the way it is. This is a forum not a public billboard for you to start asking our public to debate issues with you in email. Simple as that. If someone wants to email you or chat with you they can look up your profile. I am also sure you wouldn't be happy getting a bunch of spam and nonsense emails from the plethora of spider trawls on this site. So consider it me protecting your email account .....



I didn't ban you, I told you if you did this again I would - these forums are polluted with nonsense and scams as you have so few posts its a necessary precaution. Why should I respect you for posting a thread? I didn't ask for your respect either, I told you how to approach these threads which you will do next time or ill remove you.

An attack is a verbal or physical insult, not a person in charge of a site giving you a warning for something which is becoming a common issue on these forums.

As you haven't "posted and ran", I guess you are genuine, so feel free to debate it with our public any questions check out the stickies in the feedback forum.....

I have also removed omegareds insulting image as I don't think it is fitting for the thread starter either, especially as I have ascertained its a legitimate post.
I didnt mean to sound like i was questioning your authority or anything..nor did I know you were going to get technical about this..<_<.. I respect you keeping things in line, i just wanted you to know i didnt have any bad intentions. Oh and by the way, dont worry about my email address, i have like 8 of them :P
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It's a retarded movie and I'm not dignifying it with the flair of one of my usual responses

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so what do you think about, like, dislike about Zeitgeist powerdrain?
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What I like about zeitgeist, is that it represents facts on a large scale, and presents them in a way that would be hard to question. While attracting your attention. It is a very powerful documentary. Though I dislike the fact that not alot of people question it, and can actually find flaws within it. Even though there should be.. Zeitgeist is growing.. just the other day I saw a skinhead passing out zeitgeist fliers in a store, and telling everybody that was the reason he is leaving america. I think that kind of puts a bad label over zeitgeist, but what ever.

oh by the way.. omega is just a fool..im sorry..just makes me smile. Counter the doucumentary..and prove that it is wrng..then you can open your mouth kid..
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oh by the way.. omega is just a fool..im sorry..just makes me smile. Counter the doucumentary..and prove that it is wrng..then you can open your mouth kid..
You don't even understand the first thing about proof. The burden of proof is on the one making fantastic claims.

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For the same reason not a lot of people question the Tooth Fairy...most people are smart enough to realize it's bullshit!
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i don't consider anything zeitgiest says as 100%.... but it has very excellent questions that should be raised...

all the other documentries usually provide the same biased side of things as well..

Yes the tooth fairy is bullshit..

but the photo's and video and other hard evidence that states otherwise is hard to simply ignore... or to call bullshit on....

Both sides claim they are completely right..... somene is either being not completely honest.. or is blind beyond reason....

Fact remains.... doesn't matter which side your own.. show me proof..... omega... show me proof otherwise
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well, to say how i fell about this post is, i question the reasoning behind power drain posting this topic, this peson has yet to give any solid opinions on things that the movie talked about, i need to here their opinion on key matters from the film, without that, i myself are gonig to reguard you as a troll phishing for email address's
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I could probably find more proof of the existence of the Tooth Fairy than some of the crazy 9/11 conspiracy theories.
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Well, maybe I'll ahve to give this a go this weekend, I love conspiracies. Not that I buy into them hardly ever, but it's always an interesting practice to see the way other people interpret information (notice, I didn't say "facts").

I usually find in life though, that the simplest sets of information are those which, historically speaking, are closer to reality. Of course, it takes sets of unbiased eyes to determine that. And given that everyone around now pretty much was effected in some way by 9/11, even in the most benign way, you probably won't see that for quite some time.

But if I had to guess, I'd say a group of religious fanatics exploited weaknesses in our system, and used our own unchecked egos against us, to do what they did. Maybe I'll change my tune after watching this movie, who knows.
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i'd be interested in knwoing if indeed any of these "suiciders" are alive.....
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suppose the all time high of a barrel of oil and the all time low of the US dollar is nothing much more than a conspiracy either
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Im sorry if I didnt actually bring up issues within the doc, but I am extremly lazy, and I have talked about this documentary plenty of times. The 911 conspiracy, part two, even showed me video evidence, proving that there were bombs.. it showed smoke comming out of the windows before it even collapsed, signalling a bomb. Not just in one place, but in many places. This is all I need to know that the government has lied to me, considering their explaination for the collapse.. also it is the first time in history for a skyscraper to have fallen from fires.. as it pointed out, or maybe it didnt, there is a long history of buildings that caught on fire and didnt even collapse, and were on fire longer than the twin towers, and bulding 7. Knowing that 911 is in the past, I was wondering what kind of problems we might face in the future, thats why I was interested in part 3, were the North American Union comes in. This isnt for certain i believe, but I have asked some people from my school, and family, have ehard a little about it, which means zeitgeist isnt trying to pull a fast one, considering they have never seen zeitgeist before. Omega.. dont be so ignorant.. you havent even seen the video and are already saying that it isnt correct, about the facts it presents.. Video evidence...? please.. also go to 911 blogger, and they have a video of a architect who proves in front of audience, that the towers did not fall from fires, but bombs. I dont know why you insist on being one of those close minded jackasses, going around knocking conspiracy theories, and mocking them, when they obviously are more knowlegable than anything you can present. That being said, the tooth fairy isnt something you want to compare to this, I understand you are trying to be funny I guess, but using those kind of examples are going to do nothing but lower your credibility.
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suppose the all time high of a barrel of oil and the all time low of the US dollar is nothing much more than a conspiracy either
Of course it is....EVERYTHNG'S a conspiracy
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Old Mar 14, 2008, 02:09 AM   #29
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that there were bombs
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Old Mar 14, 2008, 02:25 AM   #30
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Of course it is....EVERYTHNG'S a conspiracy
so whats your take on the record job losses the last two months, the drastic devaluing of the dollar, gold and silver and other commodities going up and oil hitting $110 a barrel?
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