U.S after war history.

mike2h · May 22, 2003, 03:52 AM

see you at the meeting

tonight! we can worship stalin for awhile then go to the insane asylum & censor some people then we can go find some people that are asking to be ridiculed & give them what they are asking for for & maybe lock them up afterwards! fun & games for all! a typical wed night in the good old us of a.

digerati · May 22, 2003, 05:17 AM

If I say he hurt my feelings with namecalling can I get him banned?

mike2h · May 22, 2003, 05:22 AM

do what i do, take it for what it is & have fun with it. till you get bored.

eyeguy616 · May 22, 2003, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SH4President
mike2h and ^_^ you are both acting like the true communists you are.
First you cry for censorship, then you wanna lock me up and now you are trying to ridecule me. Alll because you dont like my opinion.
Thats the way of a true comunist.
You both would have made Stalin proud!

And just what part of the communist ideology are you refering to? Are you refering to how it was practiced or how it was meant to be used? Oh, and Stalin probably would not have allowed computers in every home let alone internet cafes. China allows them, and they're communist. Vietnam allows Internet cafes to be opened, and probably even computers with internet connections if you could get one (My bro went to Vietnam to get married to a Vietnamese girl he met at college here. Her family drove him to an internet cafe so he could tell us how things were going through email and IM since a long distance call is killer!).

I wonder if you ever took a Government class in college/high school.... I took one last semester and it really changed a lot of my general misconceptions on types of governments as well as their uses and strengths. Hell, my Philosophy class changed the way I thought about a bunch of stuff (literally), so hopefully y'all have cheap Community type colleges like we do ($70-$80 a course, damn books cost more!). I'd recommend a good lecture course in Government and one in Philosophy, that is if you can stay awake while the professor talks. It's good way to spend a couple hours everyday or every other day.

Oh, and to really know what you know you have to go to different sources. When the Iraqi Information Minister was on, telling of how the Iraqis were winning the war, nearly all the other Arab nations were broadcasting those comments as the one and only truth. He even badmouthed Al-Jazeera, saying they were Bush supporters! When the war was over, it came as a shock to all those people! They were blatantly lied to! Does this not upset you? Are you too high and mighty to think of these people? Our news coverage was almost never in support of this war. They kept reporting on the falicies and not the triumps, so how is it that they report "only lies" as you say? Do you trust the BBC with all your soul? Do you not read internet news site, like the ones in my sources thread, or do you think they all lie as well and that the only truth is your truth?

~eyeguy616

Falstaff · May 22, 2003, 10:12 AM

I recommend learning something about Karl Marx, and perhaps even the communist manifesto.

then it would be possible to understand the popularity of communism during it's initial embrace by the illiterate and oppressed workers and the intellectuals during the 1800's and early 1900's.

And socialism, distinctly different in many ways, just look at Pres. Roosevelt and his reforms during the depression years to get the United States back on it's feet and suppress the growing interest in communism.

Being a communist is not illegal in the United States, nor is being a socialist or even a nazi.

Saddam Hussien has been described as a Stalinist, comparing him to Stalin would be consistent with his efforts to maintain an iron hand on his regime. But Josef Stalin was very intelligent, and well read, and spoke many languages....Hussien might be considered an imbecile by even military people. I would think of him as inept, but definitely having an Iron will.

These are all gross generalizations and worthy of entire threads. I think being compared to Stalin is not necessarily an insult either, he managed to fool Churchill and Roosevelt, very bright man.

The iraqi information minister seemed to be more Goebels before the Russians overran the Riechstag, still insisting that Germany could win the war, pitiful and foolish.

Falstaff · May 22, 2003, 10:23 AM

On march 5th several prominent soviet writers or dissidents, were involved in a discussion about J. Stalin and some revealing insights were recorded here

worth taking a look at you know..

marxism by leon trotsky here

artcsmota · May 28, 2003, 03:48 PM

war is money..the us knows that...

Falstaff · May 29, 2003, 05:51 AM

the U.S. knows that....

digerati · May 29, 2003, 06:36 AM

What!? You mean war isn't free!? Why didn't anyone tell me this before!?

Falstaff · Jun 1, 2003, 03:15 AM

is not free....never will be and never can be, or we would never appreciate it...

JavaFox · Jun 1, 2003, 06:36 AM

The Tomahawk missile is a precision weapon that costs the United States between $500,000 and $1,400,000 per missile. They were used extensively during Operations Desert Storm, Deliberate Force (NATO-led assault against Milosevic), and Iraqi Freedom. Tomahawks, to the extent that we have used them, carry either a 340 or 450 kilogram payload (750 and 1000 pounds, respectively).

Now, if the US is so unconcerned with civilian life, and if this war was truly only about oil, why in the world would we waste our cash on Tomahawks. Tomahawks are strikingly inefficient as a killing machine.

Why didn't we just drop masses of the fearsome Daisy Cutter (BLU-82B) on Baghdad? The Daisy Cutter is a 6800 kilogram bomb (15,000 lbs), only costs $27,318 to make, and has a lethal radius between 100 and 300 meters. Since, as many allege, the US was SOO unconcerned with civilian losses, why didn't we just use the BLU-82B extensively to ensure cheap and quick victory?

Why didn't we use the CBU-75 Sadeye, a 816 kilogram cluster munition? Its explosion propels out 1,800 smaller shrapnel bombs, and its lethal area is over 157 football fields.

Yeah, war costs. Wars costs a LOT when you are actually concerned about civilians.

Falstaff · Jun 1, 2003, 06:50 AM

the tomohawk is an awesome weapon in our arsenal...we wouldn't waste them...unless your Bill Clinton....we carried a full complement, and used them all save two...with special warheads....nuff said...good thing Hussien never used gas...that would have been disasterous...

mike2h · Jun 1, 2003, 08:48 AM

ditto 2. good research.

JavaFox · Jun 1, 2003, 10:18 AM

Thanks, Mike.

Incidentally, if you are interesting in learning more details about US military equipment, vehicles, aircraft, and ordinance, there is simply no better place than the Federation of American Scientists' Department of Defense 101 site.

Injecting a few facts into any debate is usually a good idea.

May 22, 2003, 03:52 AM	#91
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	^_^ see you at the meeting tonight! we can worship stalin for awhile then go to the insane asylum & censor some people then we can go find some people that are asking to be ridiculed & give them what they are asking for for & maybe lock them up afterwards! fun & games for all! a typical wed night in the good old us of a. __________________

May 22, 2003, 05:22 AM	#93
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	do what i do, take it for what it is & have fun with it. till you get bored. __________________

May 22, 2003, 10:12 AM	#95
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Marxism vs communism vs socialism I recommend learning something about Karl Marx, and perhaps even the communist manifesto. then it would be possible to understand the popularity of communism during it's initial embrace by the illiterate and oppressed workers and the intellectuals during the 1800's and early 1900's. And socialism, distinctly different in many ways, just look at Pres. Roosevelt and his reforms during the depression years to get the United States back on it's feet and suppress the growing interest in communism. Being a communist is not illegal in the United States, nor is being a socialist or even a nazi. Saddam Hussien has been described as a Stalinist, comparing him to Stalin would be consistent with his efforts to maintain an iron hand on his regime. But Josef Stalin was very intelligent, and well read, and spoke many languages....Hussien might be considered an imbecile by even military people. I would think of him as inept, but definitely having an Iron will. These are all gross generalizations and worthy of entire threads. I think being compared to Stalin is not necessarily an insult either, he managed to fool Churchill and Roosevelt, very bright man. The iraqi information minister seemed to be more Goebels before the Russians overran the Riechstag, still insisting that Germany could win the war, pitiful and foolish. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

May 22, 2003, 10:23 AM	#96
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Lively discussion about Stalin On march 5th several prominent soviet writers or dissidents, were involved in a discussion about J. Stalin and some revealing insights were recorded here worth taking a look at you know.. marxism by leon trotsky here __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

May 29, 2003, 05:51 AM	#98
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	war is debt the U.S. knows that.... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

May 22, 2003, 05:17 AM	#92
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	If I say he hurt my feelings with namecalling can I get him banned?

May 28, 2003, 03:48 PM	#97
artcsmota DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Curitiba-PR Brasil Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	war is money..the us knows that...

May 29, 2003, 06:36 AM	#99
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	What!? You mean war isn't free!? Why didn't anyone tell me this before!?

Jun 1, 2003, 03:15 AM	#100
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Freedom is not free....never will be and never can be, or we would never appreciate it... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 1, 2003, 06:36 AM	#101
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	The Tomahawk missile is a precision weapon that costs the United States between $500,000 and $1,400,000 per missile. They were used extensively during Operations Desert Storm, Deliberate Force (NATO-led assault against Milosevic), and Iraqi Freedom. Tomahawks, to the extent that we have used them, carry either a 340 or 450 kilogram payload (750 and 1000 pounds, respectively). Now, if the US is so unconcerned with civilian life, and if this war was truly only about oil, why in the world would we waste our cash on Tomahawks. Tomahawks are strikingly inefficient as a killing machine. Why didn't we just drop masses of the fearsome Daisy Cutter (BLU-82B) on Baghdad? The Daisy Cutter is a 6800 kilogram bomb (15,000 lbs), only costs $27,318 to make, and has a lethal radius between 100 and 300 meters. Since, as many allege, the US was SOO unconcerned with civilian losses, why didn't we just use the BLU-82B extensively to ensure cheap and quick victory? Why didn't we use the CBU-75 Sadeye, a 816 kilogram cluster munition? Its explosion propels out 1,800 smaller shrapnel bombs, and its lethal area is over 157 football fields. Yeah, war costs. Wars costs a LOT when you are actually concerned about civilians.

Jun 1, 2003, 06:50 AM	#102
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Ditto the tomohawk is an awesome weapon in our arsenal...we wouldn't waste them...unless your Bill Clinton....we carried a full complement, and used them all save two...with special warheads....nuff said...good thing Hussien never used gas...that would have been disasterous... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 1, 2003, 08:48 AM	#103
mike2h DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: norcal Posts: 6,483 Rep Power: 91 System Specs	JavaFox ditto 2. good research. __________________

Jun 1, 2003, 10:18 AM	#104
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Thanks, Mike. Incidentally, if you are interesting in learning more details about US military equipment, vehicles, aircraft, and ordinance, there is simply no better place than the Federation of American Scientists' Department of Defense 101 site. Injecting a few facts into any debate is usually a good idea.