"Opinion: Why Israel can't survive"

Wunderchu · May 4, 2008, 09:12 AM

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Sixty years on, the country is facing a choice of two futures: it can be Jewish or democratic - but not both

Why Israel can't survive : Canada : News : Sympatico / MSN

**temeteus82** · May 4, 2008, 09:38 AM

As far as I know the state of Israel is democratic state. So that quote isn't so accurate that I would hope from journalist.

Al_Vampyre · May 4, 2008, 11:02 AM

Theocracy bad...democracy good...

**temeteus82** · May 4, 2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Al_Vampyre

Theocracy bad...democracy good...

Theocracy has worked in Tibet but I think that their system was the only one that worked fine.

mkk · May 4, 2008, 11:48 AM

A long, serious article on the subject. I'm impressed.

There are of course degrees of democracy, like in ancient Greece or old South Africa. I wouldn't call either of those democratic states in a modern sense and todays Israel is not far from the Apartheid state. I'd also argue that the one state that breaks the most international laws and defies all UN resolutions might not be fit to be called a modern democracy.

**temeteus82** · May 4, 2008, 11:57 AM

Mkk@ Does Hezbollah or Hamas follow the UN rules??? They have been doing strikes to Israel out side of Israel borders. Anyway this mess stared back when the Brits gave up their mandate for Palestine. There was reasonable plan for the land distribution for the Jewish people and the Muslims but the Arabs didn't play ball.

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Most of the rockets launched from Gaza target Sderot, a working-class city whose residents are primarily descendants of Moroccan, Kurdish Jewish and Soviet immigrants. Sderot has endured thousands of attacks since the 2005 disengagement from Gaza, and they are ongoing. On the day Maclean's visits, a faint red-alert siren sounds as we drive into the city. There is no time to react before a muffled crunch is heard, the sound of a distant explosion.

So if we would go by all the international laws then there should be war in there. And we all know that modern warfare is what it is.

mkk · May 4, 2008, 12:02 PM

Lol, sorry man but I'll stick to the topic. ;)

I believe a two state solution could still work even if the recent years of talk in one direction and actions in another has certainly put peoples expectations on that down a lot, which might of course fit the plans or wishes of the military.

**temeteus82** · May 4, 2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mkk

Lol, sorry man but I'll stick to the topic.

Good

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I believe a two state solution could still work even if the recent years of talk in one direction and actions in another has certainly put peoples expectations on that down a lot, which might of course fit the plans or wishes of the military.

Yeah I believe in that too. But both sides should be talking and not fighting....

Falstaff · May 4, 2008, 05:02 PM

does the United States stick to UN rules?
just my two cents

Brutality · May 5, 2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

As far as I know the state of Israel is democratic state. So that quote isn't so accurate that I would hope from journalist.

It's as democratic as the soviet union was. 99.9% of people voted with AKs on their heads and there was only 1 candidate to choose from.

**temeteus82** · May 5, 2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutality

It's as democratic as the soviet union was. 99.9% of people voted with AKs on their heads and there was only 1 candidate to choose from.

Err... Why there are many political parties in Israel??

Daking#1 · May 6, 2008, 12:20 AM

Yes why and Israel won't survive because God cursed it at the end of the old testament.

BlueMak · May 6, 2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Daking#1

Yes why and Israel won't survive because God cursed it at the end of the old testament.

**kris23** · May 6, 2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

does the United States stick to UN rules?
just my two cents

im pretty sure we do since WE created the idea of the UN at the end of WWI...

who was president back then again? Wilson?

Asmoday · May 7, 2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kris23

im pretty sure we do since WE created the idea of the UN at the end of WWI...

who was president back then again? Wilson?

Was it not Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill that came up with the term United Nations...?

Brutality · May 7, 2008, 07:53 PM

Israel is gay and faggot. They're worse than commies and nazies altogether.

imo.

BlueMak · May 7, 2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brutality

Israel is gay and faggot. They're worse than commies and nazies altogether.

imo.

Well, you are certainly a beacon of light among this dark world.

Vikingod · May 7, 2008, 08:32 PM

Brutality, if you've nothing to contribute to the conversation, then stay out of it.

May 4, 2008, 11:02 AM	#3
Al_Vampyre HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,532 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	Theocracy bad...democracy good... __________________ "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" - Brian O'Driscoll - Ireland Rugby Team 2009 Grand Slam winning Captain.

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mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	Lol, sorry man but I'll stick to the topic. ;) I believe a two state solution could still work even if the recent years of talk in one direction and actions in another has certainly put peoples expectations on that down a lot, which might of course fit the plans or wishes of the military. Last edited by mkk; May 4, 2008 at 12:09 PM.

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mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,495 Rep Power: 132 System Specs	A long, serious article on the subject. I'm impressed. There are of course degrees of democracy, like in ancient Greece or old South Africa. I wouldn't call either of those democratic states in a modern sense and todays Israel is not far from the Apartheid state. I'd also argue that the one state that breaks the most international laws and defies all UN resolutions might not be fit to be called a modern democracy.

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Daking#1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Yes why and Israel won't survive because God cursed it at the end of the old testament.

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Brutality DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Estonia Posts: 887 Rep Power: 0	Israel is gay and faggot. They're worse than commies and nazies altogether. imo.

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Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Brutality, if you've nothing to contribute to the conversation, then stay out of it.