BWX

They just announced it. They (news channels) said it came over the AP wires about 1:30PM EST Tuesday, June 3, 3008.
They said he affectively clinched the nomination.. So I guess our next president will be McCain.

It is a huge milestone though, the first black man that has come this far, and has a real chance at the presidency.

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Iria

Yah, I was so excited that I accidentally posted into the Off-Topic instead of here. Ah, well. The important thing is it's time for some change.

OmegaRED

McCain will be crushed by Obama. The Republicans were doomed in this election no matter who the democrats ran but with "Change" up against "Change my diapers" it's a lock for Obama as President.

And to think I used to chuckle at "24" and its black president as nothing but fiction. Well, let's all hope he doesn't end up like David Palmer did

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BWX

Clinton just said formally she is open to VP


EDIT-
We'll see.

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In Just One Year





Part 1

In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:

A little over one year ago:

1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;

2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;

3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.

Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we

have seen:

1) Consumer confidence plummet;

2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a
gallon;

3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);

4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity
value evaporate (stock

and mutual fund losses);

5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2
trillion dollars;

6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.



America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!

Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President.
He has to work with what's handed to him.



Part 2:

Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find

these statistics enlightening and amazing.

The Tax Foundation - U.S. Federal Individual Income Tax Rates History, 1913-2008
<http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html>



Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush
2008

Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K
- tax $4,500

Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K
- tax $12,500

Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K
- tax $18,750

Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K
- tax $9,000

Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K
- tax $18,750

Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K
- tax $31,250



Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax
rates. It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above
think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President
ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal
the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the
categories above can't wait for it to happen.


PART 3:

If you think the war in Iraq is costing us too much,
read this:

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and
over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick
of reading them. I have included the URL's for verification of all the
following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: FAIR: Immigration and Welfare
<http://tinyurl.com/zob77>

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food
assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches
for illegal aliens.

Verify at:
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
<http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html>

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for
illegal aliens.

Verify at:
http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
<http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html>

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and
secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot
speak a word of English!

Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html>

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for
the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

Verify at:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.hmtl
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.hmtl>

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate
illegal aliens. Verify at:

CNN.com - Transcripts
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal
aliens.

Verify at:

CNN.com - Transcripts
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens
for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at:
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
<http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html>

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American
wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at:

CNN.com - Transcripts
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html>

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime
rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In
particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime
problem in the US.

Verify at:

CNN.com - Transcripts
<http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html>

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION
illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500
illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs,
cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the
Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report:
http://tinyurl.com/t9sht <http://tinyurl.com/t9sht>

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the
total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or
an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year
period."

Verify at:

http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf
<http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf>

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in
remittances back to their countries of origin.

Verify at:
Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?
<http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm>

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One
Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United
States."

Verify at:
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
<http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml>

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A
YEAR!


They made sure a lot of those links do not work anymore.. The info is available.

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OmegaRED

How can anyone actually think John McCain can win? The Republicans had their 8 years and Americans are going to vote Democrat no matter what. He's not helping his chances by continuing many of Bush's policies and sounding like "same old, same old" which people don't want to hear right now. This election is for the Democrats to lose and by knocking their weakest link out of the election (Clinton) it's all but set in stone.

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IEMC

Whoa whoa whoa, what the fuck?

No offense, but you're a fucking idiot (yes, no offense). There was no basis to make such a claim other than shear ignorance.
Exactly what I was about to say. Americans are done with Republicans. I won't be in the least bit surprised if Obama wins in an avalanche.

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BWX

You must know... Obama is far, far left.. He cannot be judged by his record, so he has to be judged by his associations. Ever seen the loony crazy "church".. I mean, racist rally he attended for 20 years? He has many weaknesses. McCain is pretty much a RINO anyway... so he'll get a lot of conservative democrats or "Reagan democrats"..

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OmegaRED

Can't be judged by his record? You wish! Him being against the Iraq war is the main reason he was able to beat Clinton and it will also allow him to beat McCain.

Obama has already survived the Clinton machine and let's face it, his dirty laundry has been exposed enough already that if McCain even tries the same tactic the voters will turn on him. Even so, Obama has managed to make it through the Wright scandal and he quit the church which leaves little for McCain to attack.

I agree that McCain is a good Republican and a strong candidate but this election is all about timing. McCain and Clinton both ran at the wrong time. It is so obvious to anyone not American how this election is going to go. Frankly, it's delusional to believe the Republicans are going in for a 3rd term. Even if McCain was the better candidate it wouldn't make a difference to the voters who see him as more of the same.

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Zelig

I really don't think there's much chance of there being a landslide, or even a particular easy race. Too many people from both sides are entrenched in supporting a particular party regardless of anything else. If either candidate manages more than 53% of the popular vote, I'll be seriously surprised.

Far, far left is pushing it, even in the context of American politics. Ralph Nader is far left, and someone like Róger Calero is extreme left. On a world political scale, Obama is still somewhat right-wing.

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I think the most interesting thing is how in the middle both (potential) candidates are. I'm not a huge fan of either of them, after all, they're politicians. Sad thing is, the biggest problem in the US political system can't be solved by the President alone. Either way, it'll be interesting television/radio until the general election.

OmegaRED

Remember how Gore got all fat and grew a beard when he lost the presidential race? (er, rather stolen from him) I wonder if Hillary Clinton will do the same if she can't be VP and her chances of being in the White House are gone forever.

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CDsDontBurn

i wonder if Obama will ask her to be his VP. that would be quite interesting after she asked him to be his VP not too long ago.

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OmegaRED

I think that was an act of desperation to get him to quit so she could be the nominee.

Obama/Clinton ticket would surely be unstoppable but "Prison Break" season 2 taught us never to trust the scheming female VP as she might just assassinate the President. Based on comments by Hillary I wouldn't risk making her my successor if I was Obama

I'd love to see Obama/Biden ticket because that would cover the inexperience criticism. Plus, the only time Biden got in trouble was for his comments about Obama, otherwise he's solid. It'll probably be John Edwards as VP (young white guy to snag the white voters).

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SFOSOK

Please tell me none of you are voting for Obama. It has nothing to do with him being black.

His words have no really depth to them.

All he is offering is something different but I have never heard one word of solution.

He promised an end to racism but how?
He promises change but what?


There is no road map or plan all we have from him is empty promises.


Are you guys truthfully so ready for change that you will choose anyone who sounds good?




Also think about how many things he has done before he said he was going to run for president? What has he actually done for this country thus far? Was the reason he is running for president because of his accomplishments or because he is black? Just think about that before you put this nation in his hands.

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CDsDontBurn

every politician promises a lot of things and doesn't always come through with every single one of their promises. sure, there will be one here and there, but they can't do every single one of them....it's politics. it's always been like that.

and if you listen to his speaches on change, he never says "i will change," but rather, "we will change." implying that change can only happen if we as a nation desire the change to happen....at least that is how i am interpreting what he has been saying.

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SFOSOK

But I have never heard anything from his entire career where he has ever taken action or responsibility for actions. He's not even giving promises he is making broad statements that anyone can relate to but there is no substance. Other politicians have political accomplishments and they usually lay down a map of what they plan whether it happens or not.


Obama just makes broad statements and our imagination takes hold of them because we all hope for a better country.

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BWX

It's funny that the mainstream media has made it sound like (to some people) that Obama is just going to win and that is that.

Just because someone is a very good speaker does not make him a shoe-in (or whatever). McCain can debate w/ the best of them, and even though he's old and crusty, he still has a lot of spunk. He isn't very polarizing either, and to many people, Obama is very polarizing. Obama has THE MOST liberal left voting record in the sensate, that says a lot to people.

I think if it weren't for the Reverend, and his [COLOR="Red"](Obama's) comments about people clinging to their guns and religion[/COLOR], and his wife saying some really stupid things- [COLOR="Red"](not proud of US until now)[/COLOR] Obama would be much better off. A lot of women are pissed off too, and think Hillary should have gotten the Dem. nom., some of them would rather stay home or vote for the old republican guy.

What really cracks me up is when people think they know that Obama is going to win for sure. He has come a long way, but he has a lot of things to overcome too. Especially in the general election.



LOL- Obama is starting to SAY things that SOUND more to the center or even right of center, but he's a lefty all the way man, he thinks the US should turn into the EU, and give up our nukes and a lot of other crazy things. All you have to do is look at his voting record and past statements.

Look at the company he kept his entire political life too- like those terrorists that used to blow up government buildings, etc. obama association with terrorist - Google Search

It may not have any merit, but people just make decisions on what they can see. Politicians are known for saying one thing and doing another, I mean they're mostly all crooks as far as I am concerned.


Plus here is 52 seconds why he'll never win... (supposedly)
I know most people that see that will think long and hard about pulling Obama's lever.

HE PLANS ON DISARMING AMERICA
YouTube - IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA WON'T WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION




So true.

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OmegaRED

LOL, Obama nailed the one about guns and religion perfectly and Americans can't deal with such truths about themselves. Anyone who believes Obama is going to disarm the worlds largest superpower in an age where there are more threats than ever is delusional (and probably Republican).

No, the media had been spinning this bullshit that Clinton and Obama were in a close race for the longest time when the numbers showed that Clinton didn't have what it took to win. The media likes horse races and they will make it seem like McCain and Obama are neck and neck when they may not be.

He does make those kinds of statements and he's going to have to do a lot to live up to them. From what we've heard he is on the right track, he wants to end the Iraq war and start negotiating with Iran (which means talk before bombing). Bush left America in a sorry ass state of affairs and you need someone like Obama to change things not keep up the status quo.

There is no way a Democrat will lose to a Republican after the past 8 years. Obama is the nominee, therefore he will be President. He hasn't even picked a running mate but when he does you can bet your ass it will be someone that provides a major boost to his campaign. Hell, if he picks Hillary he will be unbeatable and you damn well know it.

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SFOSOK

Saying and wanting to do something is a whole lot different than actually doing it. How much experience does he have with foreign politics and war? Does he even have any hands on experience. Has he even been to those countries and come up with a plan afterwords on how we need to fix what we are doing?

He has not

not a single plan, no resolutions have been lead by him, no amendments, no changes to this country thus far. So if he hasn't done yet why the hell should I believe he will do it?



I think he is a good speaker but he is no Martin Luther King as the media tries to portray him. MLK had devotion, passion and the heart and will to win the fight.

Obama sounds like he is reading a script and there is never a point where he changes his tone its always Duhduh Duhduh Duhduh, Duhduh Duhduh Duhduh. Say that out loud when you are listening to his speeches and you will see what I mean.

Remember too, Hitler was a good speaker.

What I think he has going for him is how he presents himself. He is the only one who looks like a president. That is probably why GW Bush won over Kerry and Gore. He looked more like (what we have in our minds) what a president should look like.

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SFOSOK

O yea,

YouTube - Obama Obects to Pledge for Religious Reasons

Guess which one is the one without his hand over his heart..

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Zelig

Busted link: "This is a private video. If you have been sent this video, please make sure you accept the sender's friend request."

True, although playing the entire pledge to the still image, and associating it with religion is pretty presumptuous from the youtube video. See Snopes for a much better explanation, and actual videos.

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OmegaRED

That is exactly why Bush won in 2000 (that and he stole the election), I remember the first time I caught Bush on tv in 1999 and I knew instantly that guy would be President because he looked the part and to Americans this is what they want. I do believe Obama also looks Presidential though he's certainly more eloquent and intelligent than Bush is which means other countries will respect him (unlike how the world laughs at Bush).

How could you say a MLK comparison is taking it too far but then you'd drop Hitler's name? Shame on you

What has McCain or Clinton done? Not much on the world stage. I've seen their political ads (especially the McCain ones lately) and they promise nothing but fantasy. I don't expect any Presidential candidate to have done anything as they haven't had the power to do it.

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SFOSOK

Are you joking?

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YAYitsAndrew

If you don't bother to research something before you take it as truth, how can anyone take you seriously?

YouTube - Facts about Obama and the Pledge of Allegiance

There's always two sides to every story, and most storytellers will twist the facts in their favor. The only safe way is to know both sides and decide for yourself.

Also, have you seen the video of that national anthem and heard the singing? My mind was more focused on strangling the person singing it than anything else. Although it sounds like someone was already strangling her

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BWX

He said that about anyone in the US that believes in the right to own a gun and who goes to church, and that they are "clinging to" those things BECAUSE of their financial situation. That is the dumbest thing he could say about most of the people in this country. It is not right, it is ridiculous.

He is a political moron for saying that- he was pandering to far left loons in California somewhere. [COLOR="Red"]He did NOT KNOW he was being recorded [/COLOR]or he would have NEVER said that.

He's showing his true colors. He is an elitist who thinks he and people who think like him are better and smarter than "everyone esle"... he thinks that government is the answer. If he loses the election, it will have a lot to do with statements like I was referring to, and when people find out who and what Obama really is. He'll get votes for sure, but it will be a LOT closer than left wing media outlets want you to believe.

Obama says he is for "CHANGE", but his policies are more like Carter policies- that is not new, that is old politics, that isn't change- it is big government. He wants more TAXES, more and bigger government, MORE government spending. He's basically a socialist in a lot of ways.




He said it himself.. he IS delusional though, I agree with you about that, LOL.

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It works for me, (and still does) although I am signed in to youtube and whatnot.
It is on youtube probably 20 different times though.

I am sure if you search something like:
"IN 52 SECS WHY BARACK OBAMA WON'T WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION"
or Obama and nukes or whatever..

This is the description on youtube of that video..

He basically states in the vid that he wants to disarm the USA of nukes and the ability to weaponize space- and leave us vulnerable to people who do not live up to their agreements. (I take that to mean missile defense, satellite protection, etc)

We NEED to protect ourselves. Obama is so naive if he thinks Russia and Iran (and Korea, etc) will keep their word if we tell them we are going to disarm our nukes..

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SFOSOK

Good to know but that picture still hurts him.

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SFOSOK

I agree with BWX.

Guns and church don't reflect a person's financial situation.

Look at European gun laws. Don't certain countries have a gun in almost every household (like Switzerland) because their people are their army in an emergency.


He is going to put a tight squeeze on Americans and that is not the governments place (especially in a "free" nation). I don't really think he knows how unequal he sounds when he makes statements like that.

What if I said Grape Drink and Fried Chicken are Americans ways of dealing with their financial situation?


To me both statements are the same as far as racism goes.


If someone wants to go to church for any reason and have a gun in their house to protect their kids who the f*ck is he to judge them.

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