McCain picks Palin as running mate

Iria · Aug 29, 2008, 04:57 PM

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain has chosen Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, campaign officials told NBC News on Friday.
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Source: MSNBC

Falstaff · Aug 29, 2008, 09:16 PM

the coming days will be very very interesting indeed.

OmegaRED · Aug 30, 2008, 04:14 AM

I'm conflicted about this.

On the one hand I feel this was a brilliant and necessary move on McCain's part. Firstly, his timing stole Obama's thunder and now people are talking about his female VP and not Obama's speech. Second, having a younger female is sure to draw in many female voters who are upset Clinton was ignored or were turned off by her; at the very least Palin is more of a draw than Biden is.

That said, this can also backfire stupendously for McCain. He appears very weak by taking a totally unknown and inexperienced female running mate simply because she is female. It says a lot about Obama's confidence that he felt he didn't need Clinton to bring in the female voters. Also, this could give him a hypocritical label for bashing Obama and his inexperience. Finally, Sarah Palin could be a weak running mate not able to go toe to toe with Biden or Obama...we just don't know how smart she really is.

I just hope McCain doesn't win and die leaving this inexperienced women to run the country.

OldBuzzard · Aug 30, 2008, 09:23 AM

That "inexperienced woman" has more Executive experience than the man you evidently want to win. The 'experience' argument will bite the dems in the butt. Obam-bam has the least of all four. Hell, with her having to deal with the Russians, and Canadians, she even has more foreign policy experience than Obam-bam. She has ran a city, and ran a state. All Obam-bam has ever ran is his mouth.

You need to do a bit of homework on her. She's the REAL DEAL, and after a stint as Veep, she just may well become the first woman to run for and WIN the presidency.

SeraphicSorcerer · Aug 30, 2008, 10:33 AM

Please provide information to back up your claim. She has no real experience, and she doesn't deal with Russia, The feds do, on Federal Military Bases, that she has no say in. Executive? What her husband? the fisherman? I support her outdoor enthusiasm, but that's hardly executive anything. As far as Executive "Vetoing" things, how the hell is hard to say no to stupid ideas or bad budgeting? She's never really had to give an executive order, Other then answering the call to send some troops to iraq, which every governor republican and democrat has done from their states, it's called the NATIONAL guard.
She's also Pro-life, and pro-death, I always loved that about the Republicans.

As far as Obama, he's experienced enough, articulate, and has passed bills through senate, simply because one doesn't vote on every issue does not mean he's not being a part of legislature, as far as I can tell, he only went through with things he actually believed in. With how much bullshit they stuff bills with, I wouldn't know what to vote on either.
And sorry being a vietnam vet doesn't qualify you for commander and chief, especially since it was 5 years in prison, I can respect him, but we're not at war with Vietnam.

SeraphicSorcerer · Aug 30, 2008, 10:43 AM

Here's Obama's Record
Daily Kos: State of the Nation

Btw you should take a look at Mccain's record, He's almost a liberal. When he's not flip flopping of course:
The Western Right: McCain's Legislative Record

The republicans are by far, some of the best shoe shinging flim flam artist when it comes to campaigning, but they really suck at governing, the reason being simple of course, they forgot what conservative means. The democrats, have largely been unchanged in how they have governed since 1776 :P They've always been about goverment for providing for the people. Which of course makes the goverment larger, which is funny because the largest expansions were in years republicans were in office.

OmegaRED · Aug 30, 2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

You need to do a bit of homework on her. She's the REAL DEAL, and after a stint as Veep, she just may well become the first woman to run for and WIN the presidency.

Oh please, you wish.

She's a nobody and if Obama had chosen Clinton as his running mate there isn't a chance in Hell McCain would have chosen her. He took her in simply to get the female vote and not one minute was wasted in making this clear as she immediately pandered to women voters during her speech.

You're out of your mind if you think Palin could run for President and win. If she becomes President it'll only be due to McCain kicking the bucket.

Falstaff · Aug 30, 2008, 05:21 PM

can we move this banter to the political forum moderators please?

OldBuzzard · Aug 30, 2008, 08:09 PM

SeraphicSorcerer, a link to Daily Kos?????

There's no reason to debate you further, you are beyond help.

But, please, just keep on thinking like you do. Because just like it happened with President Bush, you are "misunderestimating" Mrs. Palin, and it's going to put her in the The Whitehouse

CDsDontBurn · Aug 30, 2008, 08:36 PM

I can't really say much about Palin as I don't know much about her.

However, all I know is that this will be a very interesting election. History is in the making!

OmegaRED · Aug 30, 2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

I can't really say much about Palin as I don't know much about her.

However, all I know is that this will be a very interesting election. History is in the making!

If the election were a movie it would be #1 at the Box office for 4 months that's how exciting it is!

OldBuzzard · Aug 30, 2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OmegaRED

If the election were a movie it would be #1 at the Box office for 4 months that's how exciting it is!

QFT!!!!!!!

Two days ago I was "Ho Hum"...but now?? I'm pumped! I've known about Gov. Palin for quite some time now, and the more I read about her the more I liked her.

She's a hell of a lot more than 'just a pretty face', and I think that a lot of the dems/libs are going to find that out the hard way. They didn't call her "Sarah the Baraccuda" for nothing

She's a fighter, and will open a can of whoop-ass on people of BOTH sides of the aisle if they deserve it. She did it in Alaska, and she'll do it in Washington.

OmegaRED · Aug 30, 2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

QFT!!!!!!!

They didn't call her "Sarah the Baraccuda" for nothing

She's a fighter, and will open a can of whoop-ass on people of BOTH sides of the aisle if they deserve it. She did it in Alaska, and she'll do it in Washington.

Does she also wrestle Alaskan Grizzly bears with her bare hands and tow stranded fishing boats back to shore with her teeth?

Zelig · Aug 30, 2008, 11:48 PM

The talk of experience by both sides is much overdone. Experience is only useful in getting votes, there's absolutely no correlation between the experience previous presidents have had before taking office, and their success while in office.

SeraphicSorcerer · Aug 31, 2008, 04:12 AM

I'm beyond help because I posted a link with information related to the political character of these two presidents and all you can do is post your mouth? Awesome.

America isn't stupid enough to fall for Palin, if it votes for Mccain it's because its too scared to change.

SFOSOK · Aug 31, 2008, 06:53 AM

I didn't even think about a female VP let alone Palin. Thats probably one of the smartest choices I've seen yet from Obama or McCain.

Also with Palin, you get a governor. Which is a hell of a lot more down to earth than another senator.

SFOSOK · Aug 31, 2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SeraphicSorcerer

I'm beyond help because I posted a link with information related to the political character of these two presidents and all you can do is post your mouth? Awesome.

America isn't stupid enough to fall for Palin, if it votes for Mccain it's because its too scared to change.

Change what?

What has Obama actually changed already or even created a plan to change?

Honestly all I hear from him is promises but nothing on how or when. He does not have a charismatic voice (sounds like he is reading from a script) and from the way both McCain and Palin speak they genuinely believe in what they say.

It feels like obama is riding the "Black" or "Anything different than Bush" Vote while reading the democratic manuscript.

But hey, thats just my opinion.

The things are now and how the American people are Its most likely goin to be McCain and Palin in the white house and this is why.

Someone personally committed to woman's rights in the white house
Obviously a different and open minded change without having to settle for less experience overall
McCain's Prior Military experience
McCain's Political experience

When it comes down to it I believe most American's go the polls with these two thoughts subconscious or not.

Who is the most familiar
Who will best represent me
-(or if lazy and not open minded) Who looks the most like me.

As it stands anything different than Bush is out the window. And that was what the Obama campaign was really riding on.
I think you will start seeing Experience come more into play when it gets really heated.

Sandok · Aug 31, 2008, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

That "inexperienced woman" has more Executive experience than the man you evidently want to win.

What a surprise to hear that from you OldBuzzard!!!

/sarcasm

Apart from that, I was wondering, has there ever been a good Republican President? I mean, from history's point of view, I know of quite a few "famous" Democrate Presidents but Republicans, only bad things come to mind...

Bush = Lowest President approval ratings ever recorded
Nixon = WaterGate scandal
Reagan = Worst Foreign approval ratings ever (well maybe not worse than Bush now... And it is important, America's economy doesn't run in America but the world, grow up)

I know Lincoln was a Rep and he is a great man, no doubt, but still... Well interestingly, I found a great graph (from the US goverment so no cheatsies) that show that every Republican President ruins the economy while every Democrate fixes it. It's not a secret but... tax cuts don't help

SeraphicSorcerer · Aug 31, 2008, 08:29 AM

Obama has actually been helping reform government since he took office, and there are now several accountability websites/parts of goverment for the things he sponsered.

He's not just full of "empty" rhetoric, and as far as rhetoric goes, exactly where does Mccain lie, He flip flops more then Kerry, and that's saying a lot, So what if he's riuding the black gravy train, It's not like he's advertising it, He's smart enough to make tough choices, and he's got the charisma to actually move people, If he doesn't do jack, I'll vote him out in 4 years, but if you honestly want Mccain economics just read about his homestate, and what hes done for that, as well as the rest of us.

Mccain is pushing more rhetoric then Obama any day of the weak, Obama has been in office longer then 143 days, he's cosponsered, or sponsered about 700 bills, and He won't vote for something if he thinks its full of BS. Where as Mccain was AGAINST Bush Tax cuts, now hes for, He's flip flopped on the war, and his poor wife can't stand that hes getting bashed for being a 'tard. Turn about is fair play, maybe if people weren't trying to paint him as a muslim terroist, and an idiot, etc. Not to mention the fact that our consitution boldly says freedom of religion and I'm sick of these christians thinking they have some powers that the rest of us don't have. Sorry Bush, you can't see Putin's Soul, It's on loan to the Hell's smithsonian. I love how they just test fired a new nuke btw.

As for executive experience, I lovee that crap, she has very little say in what troops go to war, I know, I'm a Vet. the governor pretty much okays a goverment request. It's not hard. I balance my budget on a fixed income every month, So what if her state has a larger amount, It's half the mass of the continental united states, and yet only about 1/5th the population of Texas (the next biggest state) So yeah. If you've ever been to alaska it's basically a gigantic natural poark with cities and highways in between, it's as rural as rural gets.

not to mention that I don't particuallry trust Any Technology oriented laws in Mccain's hands. While it was Bill clinton who signed the DMCA into law, you should see the garbage thats in the "Patriot act" which is another BS label our republican "friends" love to throw on shit so it stinks less.

I was for the republican party when it meant "conservative" aka yes the party of Lincoln, There are some bone headed Democrats, but I find the entire republican party is starting to act like their symbol.

I am quite open minded, and I honestly don't think experience is going to take a factor more then quick-wit, and good answers in the debates to come.
As for voting for your interest, That's about all I can agree with, I wish people would stop voting for people simply because they think one issue is the ultimate decider.

Falstaff · Aug 31, 2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SeraphicSorcerer

Obama has actually been helping reform government since he took office, and there are now several accountability websites/parts of goverment for the things he sponsered.

He's not just full of "empty" rhetoric, and as far as rhetoric goes, exactly where does Mccain lie, He flip flops more then Kerry, and that's saying a lot, So what if he's riuding the black gravy train, It's not like he's advertising it, He's smart enough to make tough choices, and he's got the charisma to actually move people, If he doesn't do jack, I'll vote him out in 4 years, but if you honestly want Mccain economics just read about his homestate, and what hes done for that, as well as the rest of us.

Mccain is pushing more rhetoric then Obama any day of the weak, Obama has been in office longer then 143 days, he's cosponsered, or sponsered about 700 bills, and He won't vote for something if he thinks its full of BS. Where as Mccain was AGAINST Bush Tax cuts, now hes for, He's flip flopped on the war, and his poor wife can't stand tht hes getting bashed for being a 'tard.

As for executive experience, I lvoe that crap, she has very little say in what troops go to war, I know, I'm a Vet. the governor pretty much okays a goverment request. It's not hard. I balance my budget on a fixed income every month, So what if her state has a larger amount, It's half the mass of the continental united states, and yet only about 1/5th the population of texas (the next biggest state) So yeah. If you've ever been to alaska it's basically a gigantic natural poark with cities and highways in between, it's as rural as rural gets.

not to mention that I don't particuallry trust Any Technology oriented laws in Mccains hands. While it was Bill clinton who signed the DMCA into law, you should see the garbage thats in the "Patroit act" which is another bs label our republican "friends" love to throw on shit so it stinks less.

It isnt about Republican or Democrat here, its about the truth, and I'd wager that both Presidential hopefuls will be hard pressed to remain focused on it and stay in the white house if either are elected.

Instead of bashing either side of the arguments for or against the Obama or McCain futures they are both very predictable in spite of the running mates they both chose.

It will be a very intesesting movie indeed.

As during the Gore Bush race, we are confronted with the Evil of Two Lessers, so bash away all of you at either side of the argument because until I hear and see some meaningful dialogue on either side the choice for the next president will be decided not by who votes, but by who does not vote.

Even if Americans do not choose to vote, they have still made a choice.

SeraphicSorcerer · Aug 31, 2008, 05:23 PM

If those americans that choose not to vote, don't excercise their right to vote, then I don't feel they have the right to bitch, you do realize that you can write in a name, and there are about 7 other people on the ballot right? If the 30-50 million that don't vote (estimate) voted for another 1 or 2 people, that persons party would get federal funding because it would probably recieve about 5-10% of the nationak vote (required to become a legit 3rd party)

Falstaff · Aug 31, 2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SeraphicSorcerer

If those americans that choose not to vote, don't excercise their right to vote, then I don't feel they have the right to bitch, you do realize that you can write in a name, and there are about 7 other people on the ballot right? If the 30-50 million that don't vote (estimate) voted for another 1 or 2 people, that persons party would get federal funding because it would probably recieve about 5-10% of the nationak vote (required to become a legit 3rd party)

certainly do, you live in Florida so I am sure voting could be a senstivie issue there. I live overseas quite a bit and I can still vote. People piss and moan about the Bush years, the Clinton years, Reagen years, etc. I am old enough to remember all of them and I get so irritated when people bitch about any politician if they themselves didnt vote. Silence at the polls will speak louder than all the Hollywood liberals and racists combined. I am beginning to think the folks that achieve the greatest clarity in terms of choices are the ones that dont believe the Democratic or Republican bullshit, and there is quite alot of it.
A woman asked me in a pub if I would vote for Obama and I asked her why I should. Her reply was that he was black and America needs someone of color in the white house, etc. Regardless of who I vote for, I told her that voting because of race, creed or color or sex "just because is about as ignorant and stupid as blind support for either Republican or Democratic political leaders. I lost my patience when she defended Hillary Clinton simply because America need a woman in the white house. I mean for God's sake just give me some TRUTH for a change.
So sick of the Republican and Democratic bashing, its sickening and merely shows how misguided and naive Americans really are, but to hear the British Liberal perspective sent me into a fit of peak.
I will vote for the best candidate when I get enough information to make an informed choice, but then I chose to..
I cant same the same for all the Liberals and Red Neck racists all over the world and in America but I will navigate around the hypocracy.

SeraphicSorcerer · Aug 31, 2008, 08:21 PM

Well voting for obama just because he is black, is plain stupid, I am, voting for him because he represents something different, I know we have no legit 3rd party, yes he's affiliated wit democrats, but he has crossed party lines according to his voting record. He's new enough to not be corrupted by washington and a senator long enough to know how the system works. I figure if things don't change in the first 4 years, I can vote for someone else then. The only other alternative is the black woman that is an ex senator from georgia, I can't find her name atm she's taking Ralph nader's spot.

I am also extremely opposed to Mccain because of the fact that he champions the fact he's helped the native americans, but in all honesty, the native americans are not better off. (I am native myself)

Sandok · Sep 3, 2008, 03:46 PM

I can't believe what I heard today...

Palin is the stereotypical 100 year old American...

Believes in Creationism
Believes in Anit-Abortion
Believes that Ecology is useless
Believes Offshore Drilling = Longterm

She didn't even have a passport a year ago. Please America, vote for McCain and this lovely lady because given McCain's old age, he will die soon enough, Palin will be President and then America will REALLY go to the dogs

Europe shall retake power! Mouhahahaha!

OmegaRED · Sep 3, 2008, 04:11 PM

I think women are already souring to the idea of Palin, they're noticing that she is the complete anti-Hilary Clinton and probably don't like the idea of McCain kicking the bucket and leaving this hockey mom with her Juno daughter running the country.

I look forward to Palin's upcoming speech, half of which I expect to consist of kissing female voting ass. If that's her plan it will probably backfire and the only votes she will suck in will be the Evangelicals.

GutterPunk · Sep 3, 2008, 04:31 PM

Palin is hot... 'nuff said.

The only thing that bothers me is her husband is High up in BP... not cool imo we need to research alternative fuels. Whether it is Natural Gas or Hydrogen something needs to be done. I hope to God she doesn't prevent any further research on that.

Sandok · Sep 3, 2008, 05:54 PM

The way she believes in God, I get the feeling she wants people to live on coal...

OldBuzzard · Sep 3, 2008, 06:11 PM

All I know is that Sarah Palin being picked for the VP slot has the left in all out panic/attack mode. I haven't seen the left so paniced since Clarence Thomas. If anything they are in a bigger panic over this than with the Clarance Thomas SCOTUS pick.

They have sunk to a new low with some of their vicious attacks. First with claiming that Trig was her DAUGHTER's baby, and now going after the daughter herself, What's next? Are they gong to go after Piper, the youngest daughter too?

For what a lot of DEMOCRAT women have to say about this pick, I'd suggest that you go to www.hillaryclintonforum.net - Powered by vBulletin and see what they have to say about Mr. Obama.

SeraphicSorcerer, you say "(I am native myself)". Maybe a visit to this site: Native American’s Against Obama Weblog and this page in particular Native Americans Against Obama-Guh-No-Duh (Alive) Native American’s Against Obama Weblog will give you food for thought. And, Sheraphic, she's MARRIED to a Native American. Don't you think that she has some insight as to the conditions in the American Indian Community?

In fact, the second page I linkd to above is something I think all of you should check out, and even if you don't read it, just play the first video.

Falstaff · Sep 3, 2008, 09:08 PM

candidates with integrity and grit always make the left a little nervous.

OmegaRED · Sep 4, 2008, 12:00 AM

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candidates with integrity and grit always make the left a little nervous.

She has tits and a vagina. This is something you don't normally see from the Republican party...hence the scared Democrats.

Aug 29, 2008, 09:16 PM	#2
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OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	I'm conflicted about this. On the one hand I feel this was a brilliant and necessary move on McCain's part. Firstly, his timing stole Obama's thunder and now people are talking about his female VP and not Obama's speech. Second, having a younger female is sure to draw in many female voters who are upset Clinton was ignored or were turned off by her; at the very least Palin is more of a draw than Biden is. That said, this can also backfire stupendously for McCain. He appears very weak by taking a totally unknown and inexperienced female running mate simply because she is female. It says a lot about Obama's confidence that he felt he didn't need Clinton to bring in the female voters. Also, this could give him a hypocritical label for bashing Obama and his inexperience. Finally, Sarah Palin could be a weak running mate not able to go toe to toe with Biden or Obama...we just don't know how smart she really is. I just hope McCain doesn't win and die leaving this inexperienced women to run the country. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Aug 30, 2008, 09:23 AM	#4
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	That "inexperienced woman" has more Executive experience than the man you evidently want to win. The 'experience' argument will bite the dems in the butt. Obam-bam has the least of all four. Hell, with her having to deal with the Russians, and Canadians, she even has more foreign policy experience than Obam-bam. She has ran a city, and ran a state. All Obam-bam has ever ran is his mouth. You need to do a bit of homework on her. She's the REAL DEAL, and after a stint as Veep, she just may well become the first woman to run for and WIN the presidency. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Aug 30, 2008, 10:33 AM	#5
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Please provide information to back up your claim. She has no real experience, and she doesn't deal with Russia, The feds do, on Federal Military Bases, that she has no say in. Executive? What her husband? the fisherman? I support her outdoor enthusiasm, but that's hardly executive anything. As far as Executive "Vetoing" things, how the hell is hard to say no to stupid ideas or bad budgeting? She's never really had to give an executive order, Other then answering the call to send some troops to iraq, which every governor republican and democrat has done from their states, it's called the NATIONAL guard. She's also Pro-life, and pro-death, I always loved that about the Republicans. As far as Obama, he's experienced enough, articulate, and has passed bills through senate, simply because one doesn't vote on every issue does not mean he's not being a part of legislature, as far as I can tell, he only went through with things he actually believed in. With how much bullshit they stuff bills with, I wouldn't know what to vote on either. And sorry being a vietnam vet doesn't qualify you for commander and chief, especially since it was 5 years in prison, I can respect him, but we're not at war with Vietnam. __________________

Aug 30, 2008, 10:43 AM	#6
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Here's Obama's Record Daily Kos: State of the Nation Btw you should take a look at Mccain's record, He's almost a liberal. When he's not flip flopping of course: The Western Right: McCain's Legislative Record The republicans are by far, some of the best shoe shinging flim flam artist when it comes to campaigning, but they really suck at governing, the reason being simple of course, they forgot what conservative means. The democrats, have largely been unchanged in how they have governed since 1776 :P They've always been about goverment for providing for the people. Which of course makes the goverment larger, which is funny because the largest expansions were in years republicans were in office. __________________

Aug 29, 2008, 04:57 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 89	McCain picks Palin as running mate Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain has chosen Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, campaign officials told NBC News on Friday. _____________ Source: MSNBC

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Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	can we move this banter to the political forum moderators please? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

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OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	SeraphicSorcerer, a link to Daily Kos????? There's no reason to debate you further, you are beyond help. But, please, just keep on thinking like you do. Because just like it happened with President Bush, you are "misunderestimating" Mrs. Palin, and it's going to put her in the The Whitehouse __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

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CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,805 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	I can't really say much about Palin as I don't know much about her. However, all I know is that this will be a very interesting election. History is in the making! __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

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Zelig HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,187 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	The talk of experience by both sides is much overdone. Experience is only useful in getting votes, there's absolutely no correlation between the experience previous presidents have had before taking office, and their success while in office. __________________ --

Aug 31, 2008, 04:12 AM	#15
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	I'm beyond help because I posted a link with information related to the political character of these two presidents and all you can do is post your mouth? Awesome. America isn't stupid enough to fall for Palin, if it votes for Mccain it's because its too scared to change. __________________

Aug 31, 2008, 06:53 AM	#16
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I didn't even think about a female VP let alone Palin. Thats probably one of the smartest choices I've seen yet from Obama or McCain. Also with Palin, you get a governor. Which is a hell of a lot more down to earth than another senator. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!! Last edited by SFOSOK; Aug 31, 2008 at 07:15 AM.

Aug 31, 2008, 08:29 AM	#19
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Obama has actually been helping reform government since he took office, and there are now several accountability websites/parts of goverment for the things he sponsered. He's not just full of "empty" rhetoric, and as far as rhetoric goes, exactly where does Mccain lie, He flip flops more then Kerry, and that's saying a lot, So what if he's riuding the black gravy train, It's not like he's advertising it, He's smart enough to make tough choices, and he's got the charisma to actually move people, If he doesn't do jack, I'll vote him out in 4 years, but if you honestly want Mccain economics just read about his homestate, and what hes done for that, as well as the rest of us. Mccain is pushing more rhetoric then Obama any day of the weak, Obama has been in office longer then 143 days, he's cosponsered, or sponsered about 700 bills, and He won't vote for something if he thinks its full of BS. Where as Mccain was AGAINST Bush Tax cuts, now hes for, He's flip flopped on the war, and his poor wife can't stand that hes getting bashed for being a 'tard. Turn about is fair play, maybe if people weren't trying to paint him as a muslim terroist, and an idiot, etc. Not to mention the fact that our consitution boldly says freedom of religion and I'm sick of these christians thinking they have some powers that the rest of us don't have. Sorry Bush, you can't see Putin's Soul, It's on loan to the Hell's smithsonian. I love how they just test fired a new nuke btw. As for executive experience, I lovee that crap, she has very little say in what troops go to war, I know, I'm a Vet. the governor pretty much okays a goverment request. It's not hard. I balance my budget on a fixed income every month, So what if her state has a larger amount, It's half the mass of the continental united states, and yet only about 1/5th the population of Texas (the next biggest state) So yeah. If you've ever been to alaska it's basically a gigantic natural poark with cities and highways in between, it's as rural as rural gets. not to mention that I don't particuallry trust Any Technology oriented laws in Mccain's hands. While it was Bill clinton who signed the DMCA into law, you should see the garbage thats in the "Patriot act" which is another BS label our republican "friends" love to throw on shit so it stinks less. I was for the republican party when it meant "conservative" aka yes the party of Lincoln, There are some bone headed Democrats, but I find the entire republican party is starting to act like their symbol. I am quite open minded, and I honestly don't think experience is going to take a factor more then quick-wit, and good answers in the debates to come. As for voting for your interest, That's about all I can agree with, I wish people would stop voting for people simply because they think one issue is the ultimate decider. __________________ Last edited by SeraphicSorcerer; Aug 31, 2008 at 08:54 AM. Reason: Typos typos everywhere.

Aug 31, 2008, 05:23 PM	#21
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	If those americans that choose not to vote, don't excercise their right to vote, then I don't feel they have the right to bitch, you do realize that you can write in a name, and there are about 7 other people on the ballot right? If the 30-50 million that don't vote (estimate) voted for another 1 or 2 people, that persons party would get federal funding because it would probably recieve about 5-10% of the nationak vote (required to become a legit 3rd party) __________________

Aug 31, 2008, 08:21 PM	#23
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Well voting for obama just because he is black, is plain stupid, I am, voting for him because he represents something different, I know we have no legit 3rd party, yes he's affiliated wit democrats, but he has crossed party lines according to his voting record. He's new enough to not be corrupted by washington and a senator long enough to know how the system works. I figure if things don't change in the first 4 years, I can vote for someone else then. The only other alternative is the black woman that is an ex senator from georgia, I can't find her name atm she's taking Ralph nader's spot. I am also extremely opposed to Mccain because of the fact that he champions the fact he's helped the native americans, but in all honesty, the native americans are not better off. (I am native myself) __________________

Sep 3, 2008, 03:46 PM	#24
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I can't believe what I heard today... Palin is the stereotypical 100 year old American... Believes in Creationism Believes in Anit-Abortion Believes that Ecology is useless Believes Offshore Drilling = Longterm She didn't even have a passport a year ago. Please America, vote for McCain and this lovely lady because given McCain's old age, he will die soon enough, Palin will be President and then America will REALLY go to the dogs Europe shall retake power! Mouhahahaha!

Sep 3, 2008, 04:11 PM	#25
OmegaRED Relapsed Gamer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Ottawa , Canada Posts: 5,688 Rep Power: 173 System Specs	I think women are already souring to the idea of Palin, they're noticing that she is the complete anti-Hilary Clinton and probably don't like the idea of McCain kicking the bucket and leaving this hockey mom with her Juno daughter running the country. I look forward to Palin's upcoming speech, half of which I expect to consist of kissing female voting ass. If that's her plan it will probably backfire and the only votes she will suck in will be the Evangelicals. __________________ E Penis Specs: <------------- See System Specs

Sep 3, 2008, 04:31 PM	#26
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	Palin is hot... 'nuff said. The only thing that bothers me is her husband is High up in BP... not cool imo we need to research alternative fuels. Whether it is Natural Gas or Hydrogen something needs to be done. I hope to God she doesn't prevent any further research on that. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Sep 3, 2008, 05:54 PM	#27
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	The way she believes in God, I get the feeling she wants people to live on coal...

Sep 3, 2008, 06:11 PM	#28
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,783 Rep Power: 145 System Specs	All I know is that Sarah Palin being picked for the VP slot has the left in all out panic/attack mode. I haven't seen the left so paniced since Clarence Thomas. If anything they are in a bigger panic over this than with the Clarance Thomas SCOTUS pick. They have sunk to a new low with some of their vicious attacks. First with claiming that Trig was her DAUGHTER's baby, and now going after the daughter herself, What's next? Are they gong to go after Piper, the youngest daughter too? For what a lot of DEMOCRAT women have to say about this pick, I'd suggest that you go to www.hillaryclintonforum.net - Powered by vBulletin and see what they have to say about Mr. Obama. SeraphicSorcerer, you say "(I am native myself)". Maybe a visit to this site: Native American’s Against Obama Weblog and this page in particular Native Americans Against Obama-Guh-No-Duh (Alive) Native American’s Against Obama Weblog will give you food for thought. And, Sheraphic, she's MARRIED to a Native American. Don't you think that she has some insight as to the conditions in the American Indian Community? In fact, the second page I linkd to above is something I think all of you should check out, and even if you don't read it, just play the first video. __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY Last edited by OldBuzzard; Sep 3, 2008 at 06:19 PM.

Sep 3, 2008, 09:08 PM	#29
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	candidates with integrity and grit always make the left a little nervous. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."