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Media Research Center Home Page - 10/9/2008 2:00:03 AM

is anyone shocked?

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OmegaRED

Obama has gotten as much of a free ride as Sarah Palin because the media simply doesn't know how to approach either candidate without kid gloves on. If there was a strong liberal media bias you'd expect to see McCain/Palin taken to task for much of their claims and campaign tactics -this just isn't happening. It comes down to more of a failure of the mainstream media to do their jobs properly and provide balanced information to the public; what we end up getting each day is either pro Obama or pro McCain.

I am very disappointed to see my favorite source of news, The Drudge Report, has all but formally backed McCain/Palin in this election. Considering this single source of information is America's leading news maker and the mainstream media rushes to cover whatever Drudge highlights I'm inclined to speculate whatever liberal media bias does exist is instantly canceled out by the effect of the Drudge Report. That's how much this one site can affect the role of the media in American politics.

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BWX

Not shocked at all.. I expect it now. I am shocked when the "mainstream" media doesn't act like Obama is the second coming.

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calidan

IMO CNN should be change their acronym to ONN. I usually read from Drudge Report, CNN, and Fox News.

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Falstaff

eventually all the networks will adopt some bias, I recall the Clinton years..LOL

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chillbilly

Definitely true.
The majority of the media "outlets" in the United States are swinging left and have remained that way because their owners are predominately liberal.
Again, it's a matter of reading and understanding what really matters between these 2 candidates (and any other candidates for that matter).....
It's the congressiona record.
It does not lie about where they stand and how they have voted on issues.
And it's biggest benefit is that it cuts through all the bullshit that we hear from the media.
Unfortunately, there are far too many Americans that swallow hype and rhetoric without so much as a second thought.
I'm no big fan of John McCain, but if one were to peruse the congressional record and compare Obama's record with McCain's, this election would be a no-brainer.
And no!, I'm not saying that congressional experiences alone are enough to feed the bulldog either.
Listening to Barack Obama debate when he says things like "I sent a letter to the Treasury Secretary a year ago warning about the financial meltdown", I just want to puke.
Obama needs to understand that he's in a position where he can introduce legislation and affect real change with ACTION and not by simply "mailing it in" with a friggin letter. Give me a break.

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Falstaff

hype swallowing among many things isnt new I suppose
I mean a good actor can stimulate that response in people, and poltiicians do as well.
the temporary suspension of disbelief is what the mediaphiles are after and if they like someone, they will spin anything to put a different face on a poltician or anyone else for that matter..
Look what it did for Hitler.

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CDsDontBurn

as long as it puts a democrat back in office, i'm all for it





yes, i do realize that is the most naive statement i could make

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SeraphicSorcerer

you noticed that "Pro mccain" thing too did you?
I especially loved the polls that said mccain won. When nearly everything else said "tie" or "obama" that's good shizzle right thurr.

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Zelig

Don't be so sure...

Source.

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OmegaRED

The list of negative things not said about Obama is ridiculously low, I'd wager the only things that haven't been reported are too boring for viewers to care about; ditto for Joe Biden.

A quick look over at the McCain/Palin side and you've got a handful of major issues which have never even been brought up by the mainstream media. Obama has been grilled ten ways from Sunday and frankly he's boring to listen to when he calmly and logically responds to such negativity.

The truth is Obama has just done a better job running his campaign than Clinton or McCain and he's survived numerous vicious attacks by both Dems and Republicans. After being assaulted on both fronts for over a year any lull between negative coverage appears to be bias!

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chillbilly

Pro McCain thing?? LOL
What polls are you referring to that suggested McCain won a debate?
Every single pundit and poll I have seen have said just the opposite.
Not that opinion polls and spin should matter.
Anyone with half a brain doesn't need pundits and polls to figure out who they think was better in a debate.

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chillbilly

I couldn't disagree more.
What negative things are you referring to that haven't been reported?

ALL of these candidates are subjected to unbelievable scrutiny and I can't imagine what "major issues" you are referring to that haven't been brought up.
I definitely agree that Obama has been grilled. And why not? He has been an unknown quantity ever since he announced his candidacy. It's perfectly reasonable to expect him to be scrutinized the way he has been.
I don't find his responses boring at all though.
I think he comes across as much more presidential when he responds the way he does to the negative crap that has been circulating about him.

I agree. Obama has run a good campaign, but he is also guilty of promoting half-truths about his opponents too.

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OmegaRED

As I said, it's a small list because just about everything that can be said about Obama has been said. He's been vetted inside and out which is a lot more than we can say for McCain or Palin.

McCain uses his war record to get out of any jam, it's his right to be proud of his service but the media should have the balls to question him when he flip flops on torture and the Iraq war. At present, his patriotism has been unquestioned...meanwhile Obama is labelled a terrorist supporter, unpatriotic and reckless with american lives.

The real issue is Sarah Palin, we're a month away from the election and she's a complete unknown. Everything we know about her comes from interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric. She hasn't even taken open questions from reporters or sat down with the press for Q&A. This is unacceptable. She could be President of the United States by next year if anything were to happen to McCain yet all we know is she's a hockey mom from Alaska. I could go on and on about how Palin has been deceitful in hiding her religious views (she is a creationist and believes the Earth is 6000 years old). McCain should be ashamed of himself for taking her on and for denying the media full access to Palin. I'm amazed you'd even have to ask what the major issue is when this travesty is occurring right in front of you.

I agree with you fully but I'm only pointing out Obama is quite intelligent and eloquent a speaker which often prevents him from connecting with mainstream America. The man knows how to give a great speech but he's not one to be blunt, make gaffes or 10 second soundbites for the evening news. In that sense, he is boring.

Without question this is true. I've been keeping tabs on factcheck.org and various blogs such as Andrew Sullivan's and Obama stretches the truth as much as we'd expect from a politician. There's also no denying that McCain's record of truthfulness is abysmal in comparison. The reasons for this I mentioned earlier, McCain is allowed to get away with these lies just like Bush was yet Obama is held to a nearly impossible standard and if he were make outright lies the way McCain's campaign has there would be outrage. This is an unacceptable double standard and the American people should demand more (or punish the lies by voting for the other guy).

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chillbilly

So, using your logic, we should all go out and vote for Obama because his opponent has misrepresented facts about him?

IMO, that's hardly a decent critieria to use to select a candidate for any job, much less president of the country.

I would also wonder how you wouldn't be conflicted by who you should pick since Obama has used the same tack against McCain.

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OmegaRED

Using my logic this applies to both candidates.

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Customgamer1

The Media picks the winner of the election and have for years and years.

They pick the person they feel will be the one that's "different" and change things up.

Why did the media pick McCain when there were many many other stronger repbulicans? Well it's easy because he is one that holds a little chance at beating Obama.

All the news ever covers since this has started was Obama Obama Obama Obama and just says all the crap about everyone else.

The entire political system is a complete joke and it comes down to only 2 things.

1. Who has the most money typically wins
2. Who gets more attention from the Media.

That is it and I don't see that changing any time soon. Think a 3rd party will even be given a chance to compete in a debate or anything?? I doubt it, but would love to see it.

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OmegaRED

Which Republicans were stronger than McCain? They were all lame ducks and none of them had a chance in Hell. Why do you think none of those crazy bastards were chosen as his VP, all of them would have dragged him down for sure.

Clinton was always expected to win in 08 but the people (and Obama's Scrouge McDuck vault of cash) decided otherwise.

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Judas

why say anything negative at all about the candidates?

it's already predecided .... i would be shocked to see obama not win the election anyways.

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read a bit about election history and you'll avoid making a foolish statement or silly exaggeration

Judas

so you think....

silly to suggest that there is remote possibility that the fesaud that most people run through every election as a beleiveable democracy, quite likely is nothing but exactly that.....

The questions were raised, and the circumstances of such a case have been seen as plausible. Really, the whole system is beyond questionable.

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sorry I didn't understand what you were talking about in the first bit of #21, or what "fesaud" is. I understand the sentences in the last paragraph, but I don't know what you are referring to.

Judas

sorry Fasaud = aka fictional / fakery / fake / not real / false / untrue / imagineary / not reality

Maybe i can be a little bit more to the point ....

The public beleive they are in a democracy.
The people really controlling the lot of it put on the act of making it appear that it's a democracy.
The public watch the show and beleive it's all real.
Meanwhile the people really controlling it continue to pull the strings they wish to keep control.

Democracy is a joke, while the idea is sound, what we see as a democracy is nothing of the sort.

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CDsDontBurn

you do know what a democracy is about right?

well, if you don't, then here's the brief: a democracy is where the leader(s) are chosen by the people. it's been around for about 2,500 years already and overall, it has worked out pretty well. better than communism, dictorships, faschism (sp?), monarchies (king/queen), or empires.

as for the "show" that you're talking about, the leaders elected by the public are just doing the best that they can for what they said that they would do. granted, they can't always do what they said when they were trying to be elected in that position, but they do what they can. sometimes, there are things that come up that would place such plans on hold or make such plans not even surface. furthermore, in the US government, any bill needs to go through both the house and the senate with final approval from the president for something to become law.

besides, you're one of those watching that "show" you're talking about, we all have different perspectives to the "show" and all have our own thoughts on it.

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Judas

To bad that 2500 year thought likely has only been played out for a short duration before it's been wiped away behind the scenes.

I'm not watching the show, I'm only aware of the show, i prefer to think rather then be fed. Everyone is free to thier own perspectives.... likely no one is seeing as it really is though.

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I first thought you meant there's no way McCain could get enough votes to pull off an upset victory...

but now it seems you're saying the election is fake, and the winner will be chosen regardless of who the people vote for. this is of course ridiculous, and to think this way when there is no hard evidence for it is nothing more than mindless. some people are easily manipulated by others to think this way, or some people choose to think this way because they like to feel like they know something that most people don't, or there could be other reasons. i'll leave it at that.

Judas

it is easily scewed the other way around to.

to blindlessly think that everything is going precisely as it's saposedly layed out is nothing other then taking a leep of faith.

Specially considering the amount of valueable information coming from low and high ranking personel that have blown the whistle so many times with good cause. Yet ignored by the majority, and then muffled still AFTER it's 100% proven fact for the public to see.

You can hide behind blind faith all you want, that's not my problem, ignorance is bliss? Probably not nearly as blissful in the long run.

You can trek back as far as you like in history, the same type of "conspiracy theories" were indeed oventually proven FACT.....

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Customgamer1

You are right. No one has already picked the winner, but considering the media was so hyped into Obama's camp they more or less picked the winner.

This is shown on any news site. Any press good or bad still gets Obama's name into the minds of the public and for whatever reason he has came off as a guy that can do no wrong and people are just obsessed with him.

You can blame the media for things like this. When you look at the plan of both Hillary and Obama and noted in the debates they are very very close to being the same. Why did Obama take it over Hillary? Well it could have been because Hillary is Hillary or more likely its because Obama got 99.999% of all the news coverage and she was just there, but not really.

Now McCain is just the guy that gets his name said, but not focused on.

To bring up what the general public seems to think of Obama is this:

YouTube - Peggy Joseph Thinks She Won't Need To Worry About Paying For Her Gas And Mortgage Under Barack Obama

Really it's sad. Obama has some good ideas, but in the current condition there is no place for them at least these 4 years. It will only drive us into more debt along with throwing up the white flag in Iraq and letting all those good soldiers lives that died go to waste.

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What wasted their lives was sending them in the first place. Just because you've got a lot of resources invested doesn't mean you should keep trying. You have to know when to fold.

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Judas

it's called throwing good money after bad...

while simply withdrawing straight away.... there needs to be cleanup.... or the US is going to get a shit kicking far worse then the last time the same thing happened previously.

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