Some much hate for the G8

Falstaff · Jun 2, 2003, 01:51 PM

You don't need a crystal ball to see that politics makes strange bed fellows, The G-8 is met with protests and violence, and for what rational reason...The World Bank corrupt, bio engineered food, behavioral modification for the rest of the world? Why has the G-8 conference stimulated so many protests....Maybe nothing will be accomplished here, but the Euro is getting stronger, trading partners are talking again, and even Powell is going to set aside some of his issues with the Germans and the French to pursue a working relationship with each member of the G-8....If they can get along, what is the crux of all the protests...I should know this, but people are getting hurt over this, the G-8 is powerful, and the conferences must be useful, but diabolical in nature, I just can't understand it, can someone explain this to me, because I see it all as a "'WIN - WIN" situation...

JavaFox · Jun 2, 2003, 01:56 PM

What are these people protesting, international cooperation?

Falstaff · Jun 2, 2003, 02:29 PM

that their are professional protesters out there very well financed and organized that show up, raise hell and leave, but for what purpose?

digerati · Jun 3, 2003, 08:28 AM

No purpose except to be heard since most of their views are so distorted that even average Joe citizen is like "Where the fcuk did you come up with that?"

In my opinion anyways.

JavaFox · Jun 3, 2003, 08:29 AM

I absolutely agree, Jeff. There are professional protestors and demagogues in this country. Take for example Al Sharpton.

raid517 · Jun 3, 2003, 04:08 PM

Well I don't entirely hold with them myself. But as I understand it, their anti-globalisatiion protestors, angry at the extent of corporate influence and power over govenments. Mmm, y'know, now I said it that way it doesn't sound all that unreasonable.... (I still wouldn't join them though I think...)

Well any way, they tend to be a disperate bunch made up of 'greens', lesbians, anarchists, anti racists and just about every other issue you can imagine.... So not too coherent really.

I don't buy (if you'll excuse the pun) into this idea of professioal protestors. People have different views. It isn't altogether a bad thing that some people will go to extremes to express these views. I don't think anyone wants our governments to become too powerful. Its nice to remind them once again that we are still here - and their jobs pretty much depend on us.

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Malus · Jun 3, 2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by raid517
Well I don't entirely hold with them myself. But as I understand it, their ant-globalisatiion protestors, angry at the extent of corporate influence and power over govenments. Mmm, y'know, now I said it that way it doesn't sound all that unreasonable.... (I still wouldn't join them though I think...)

But isn't it the Democrats fault that globalisation is so big in the first place? Don't go blaming Bush, or anyone else for that matter, for taking advantage of it. There's a reason why globalisation is referred to as the liberalization of the economy. . .

Al Sharpton is a joke, albiet a funny one, but a joke nonetheless.

JavaFox · Jun 3, 2003, 04:50 PM

Well, I for one can't think of what the man (Al Sharpton) does, except for be a demagogue.

Malus · Jun 3, 2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
Well, I for one can't think of what the man (Al Sharpton) does, except for be a demagogue.

His speeches are great. I've never heard a man use so many words and say so little. Only Alan Greenspan can compare to his greatness when it comes to saying so little with so many words.

Falstaff · Jun 4, 2003, 01:16 AM

I will listen to Alan Greenspan though, ha ha
I wasn't paying too much attention to Chirac, but he was really snubbed by Bush and Powell made some statements that indicated that they will work around recent conflicts politically, but that he won't forget the way Chirac opposed the U.S. position. I am willing to say I put Al Sharpton and Chirac in the same league as far as sensationalism

JavaFox · Jun 4, 2003, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
I will listen to Alan Greenspan though, ha ha
I wasn't paying too much attention to Chirac, but he was really snubbed by Bush and Powell made some statements that indicated that they will work around recent conflicts politically, but that he won't forget the way Chirac opposed the U.S. position. I am willing to say I put Al Sharpton and Chirac in the same league as far as sensationalism

As an American, I harbor no love for France, but I have to say that I think France was much more reasonable about its opposition to our war than Germany was. While France raised moral objections, and hid under the peace banner, I believe that their opposition was, in large part, due to the fact that some 7 million Muslims call France their home, and the fact that TotalFinaElf had been promised oil contracts by Saddam. As far as French speeches went, I heard a lot of the same old objections, but nothing that I felt was truly crazy.

Germany's Shroeder, on the other hand, was reelected largely due to the fact that he managed to take advantage of anti-American sentiment. He made wildly sensational speeches ("we won't send our troops to play in this adventure" or something similar), people in his administration had the gall to make comparisons between Bush and Hitler, and so on. So while both countries were opposed, I think Shroeder is Europe's Al Sharpton, insofar as his war opinions are concerned.

Malus · Jun 4, 2003, 06:05 AM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
As an American, I harbor no love for France, but I have to say that I think France was much more reasonable about its opposition to our war than Germany was. While France raised moral objections, and hid under the peace banner, I believe that their opposition was, in large part, due to the fact that some 7 million Muslims call France their home, and the fact that TotalFinaElf had been promised oil contracts by Saddam. As far as French speeches went, I heard a lot of the same old objections, but nothing that I felt was truly crazy.

Germany's Shroeder, on the other hand, was reelected largely due to the fact that he managed to take advantage of anti-American sentiment. He made wildly sensational speeches ("we won't send our troops to play in this adventure" or something similar), people in his administration had the gall to make comparisons between Bush and Hitler, and so on. So while both countries were opposed, I think Shroeder is Europe's Al Sharpton, insofar as his war opinions are concerned.

An interesting point. However, because the French had business interests in Iraq, they became the main target. The Germans are similar to Al Sharpton because no one takes either of them seriously or even bothers to oppose them. It's just easier to ignore them.

Falstaff · Jun 4, 2003, 06:12 AM

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An interesting point. However, because the French had business interests in Iraq, they became the main target. The Germans are similar to Al Sharpton because no one takes either of them seriously or even bothers to oppose them. It's just easier to ignore them.

[COLOR=skyblue]Yep, But strangely enough it seems its a Rumsfield / Schroeder thing, my brother, a career officer in the USA said the German folks he knew poke fun at Schroeder, I wonder if we will ever see him again..Once his term expires I believe he will be replaced. As for Al Sharpton, his bid for the presidency will only end in faliure[/COLOR]

Falstaff · Jun 4, 2003, 06:16 AM

what a huge scandal, and it isn't over yet....France has lost billions of euros in this one.....

UberLord · Jun 9, 2003, 05:16 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
What are these people protesting, international cooperation?

Natural food, monoplism and corruption mainly.
Of course, given your previous postings hear I wouldn't expect you to care or understand for the reasons on the protest.

Falstaff · Jun 9, 2003, 08:14 PM

As this the Globilization demon rearing it's ugly head, it's gonna happen whether we want it or not...

JavaFox · Jun 10, 2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by UberLord
Natural food, monoplism and corruption mainly.
Of course, given your previous postings hear I wouldn't expect you to care or understand for the reasons on the protest.

If these protests were conducted with the same brand of incoherence that we've seen from other protests as of late, you're probably right.

Falstaff · Jun 10, 2003, 02:43 AM

Left wing interests capitalize on the unrest of the protestors but they can really focus through the same lense of dissent, in short, whatever legitimate complaints the protestors have are marginalized by the acts of the violent and unruly majority...

Jun 2, 2003, 01:51 PM	#1
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Some much hate for the G8 You don't need a crystal ball to see that politics makes strange bed fellows, The G-8 is met with protests and violence, and for what rational reason...The World Bank corrupt, bio engineered food, behavioral modification for the rest of the world? Why has the G-8 conference stimulated so many protests....Maybe nothing will be accomplished here, but the Euro is getting stronger, trading partners are talking again, and even Powell is going to set aside some of his issues with the Germans and the French to pursue a working relationship with each member of the G-8....If they can get along, what is the crux of all the protests...I should know this, but people are getting hurt over this, the G-8 is powerful, and the conferences must be useful, but diabolical in nature, I just can't understand it, can someone explain this to me, because I see it all as a "'WIN - WIN" situation... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 2, 2003, 01:56 PM	#2
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	G-8 Protests? What are these people protesting, international cooperation?

Jun 2, 2003, 02:29 PM	Thread Starter #3
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I always believed that their are professional protesters out there very well financed and organized that show up, raise hell and leave, but for what purpose? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 3, 2003, 08:29 AM	#5
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	To promote the illusion of dissent? I absolutely agree, Jeff. There are professional protestors and demagogues in this country. Take for example Al Sharpton.

Jun 3, 2003, 04:08 PM	#6
raid517 DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,518 Rep Power: 0	Well I don't entirely hold with them myself. But as I understand it, their anti-globalisatiion protestors, angry at the extent of corporate influence and power over govenments. Mmm, y'know, now I said it that way it doesn't sound all that unreasonable.... (I still wouldn't join them though I think...) Well any way, they tend to be a disperate bunch made up of 'greens', lesbians, anarchists, anti racists and just about every other issue you can imagine.... So not too coherent really. I don't buy (if you'll excuse the pun) into this idea of professioal protestors. People have different views. It isn't altogether a bad thing that some people will go to extremes to express these views. I don't think anyone wants our governments to become too powerful. Its nice to remind them once again that we are still here - and their jobs pretty much depend on us. Q Last edited by raid517; Jun 3, 2003 at 05:17 PM.

Jun 3, 2003, 08:28 AM	#4
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	No purpose except to be heard since most of their views are so distorted that even average Joe citizen is like "Where the fcuk did you come up with that?" In my opinion anyways.

Jun 3, 2003, 04:50 PM	#8
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Well, I for one can't think of what the man (Al Sharpton) does, except for be a demagogue.

Jun 4, 2003, 01:16 AM	Thread Starter #10
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	One world, one economy... I will listen to Alan Greenspan though, ha ha I wasn't paying too much attention to Chirac, but he was really snubbed by Bush and Powell made some statements that indicated that they will work around recent conflicts politically, but that he won't forget the way Chirac opposed the U.S. position. I am willing to say I put Al Sharpton and Chirac in the same league as far as sensationalism __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 4, 2003, 06:16 AM	Thread Starter #14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	TotalFinaElf what a huge scandal, and it isn't over yet....France has lost billions of euros in this one..... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 9, 2003, 08:14 PM	Thread Starter #16
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	But that all happens now? As this the Globilization demon rearing it's ugly head, it's gonna happen whether we want it or not... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 10, 2003, 02:43 AM	Thread Starter #18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	There always seems to be a lack of focus Left wing interests capitalize on the unrest of the protestors but they can really focus through the same lense of dissent, in short, whatever legitimate complaints the protestors have are marginalized by the acts of the violent and unruly majority... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."