temeteus82

Back to the topic.. I just saw the Obama's speech and I was impressed with it. Yeah I know that he has more than small army to do those but it was anyway good. And I do hope that he brings a new wind of change to the USA! (Yeah it's a Scorpions Song )


Wind of Change (song - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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Falstaff

This should be renamed the I love Obama because thread.....
DO ANY OF YOU KNOW A BLOODY THING ABOUT OBAMA?
havent seen anything intelligent yet..sorry.
He is not Black by any racial standard, he is as much white or black so throw that card out....
If your bothered by the fact that he is black, your a racist, if you say your not...your a hypocrite. there is no middle ground if you use the racial arugment either for or against.
Enough about Bush please...its getting old, ignorance about politics is enough...How much does anyone know about his future plans and his new government...
yep....
didnt think so.
You all want to do OBAMA a favour? Learn as much about your responsibility as a citizen of the United States, or what OBAMA's goals are in his speeches or statements.
OBAMA wants change, but there are liabilities to that, and a price for freedom, democracy and change, are Americans willing to pay it?
For the last F*CKING TIME quite mentioning that we need an African American President for Gods sake....
What we need is a good president, Black, Asian, White or Female...
I hope once the honeymoon is over, you all will support OBAMA as much as you say you do now. Its a tough job.
Come January, Mr. Obama will be my boss and I will take orders from his administration whether I like it or not. Anyone that understands American poliitics knows that every year taxes go up, promises get broken and poltiicians will continue to spin their agenda...
I just hope OBAMA keeps his promises.

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SFOSOK

Your a moron Omega.

Race has nothing to do with it.

America is headed for a depression if you want to admit it or not and one person won't change that and one person is not responsible for it.

-Obama wants to restrict foreign trade
What does this does this do?

-Force companies to leave the united states to make the same amount of money they were making before.
-Increase prices drastically on every item already not being made in the USA including the materials which most of are not here to begin with .

He also wants to raise taxes. And that is not just for people over 250,000 $. There is no viable way to spend as much as he wants to (up to 1 Trillion $) without taxing every american citizen.

What does that mean?
-Less money in your pay check no matter how much you make. (so things cost more and you have less money to buy...)

So for you dumbasses
Less money to buy + Everything costing more = Depression

So now we are practically sprinting towards a Depression.

Which he will blame on the Bush administration.


Listen, I work in America, I live in America, I am a 100% United States citizen.

So when someone who doesn't even live here and tries to give their biased collective thought (based on internet news and democratic news stations [all of them]) forgive me for not taking you seriously.

Honestly, I could care two shits less what any of you who don't live here think of USA because you don't have to deal with most of the consequences. We do.

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SFOSOK

Updated above.

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Judas

doesn't matter one way or another..

Either dig yourself out of the whole that was dug for you be the previous administration AKA bush.... or dig it deeper by ensuring that your royally ed

so there is 3 choices:

Brave the hard times of working yourself out of extreme debt by paying more and getting less (this seems to be obama's idea)

or

Enjoy a little bit more of exploited pleasures for unnessary things and watch the country around you fall to it's worst possible case senarios (this is apparently Bush's plan)

or

gtfo of the country while you still have a chance. (ALOT of americans have been doing this in the last couple of years because they know shit is going to get ugly either way)

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Admittedly, it was difficult for me to decide - because for the first time I can remember as an adult both candidates seemed genuinely good hearted and good headed men. Obama had style and presentation on his side which helped tip the scale in his favor some, and a man with dark enough skin to be seen by many as "black" has "made history". It's about time - confirmation of the attitude most reasonable and level headed Americans have already lived out for my entire life. This election really wasn't about black and white, or whatever. It was about who most Americans thought could provide the most doable ideas for the largest percentage of those that voted - which, BTW, would be the white middle to lower middle class, with most of the so-called ethnics (Latino, Black, and Asian), and younger (22 and under) mainly single voters. Check the demographics. Obama appealed directly to them more, and promised more - and he's young - and on. Those who voted for him could really STAND for things to change - for the better - for them! Now...

He will face nearly impossible mental challenges, strong - even absolutely unchangeable - wills, and will have to do his job while trying to satisfy not only Americans, but the needs and demands of other country's populations - more so than any president in the history of this nation. His job will be TOUGH, and I hope he has the insight, energy, and wisdom to do it like he would want to, for the benefit of all that really need him to succeed. And that he keeps a genuinely kind and optimistic heart throughout...

It does come down to the fact that in order to add value to our lives we'll have to work harder/differently/creatively/effciently/TOGETHER. Obama conveyed that - and most of the voters realize that...

I'd have liked to have John McCain's experience at the helm with more assurance that he wouldn't die in office - but he's still an active Senator. And both their speeches after the vote were uplifting to hear.

Go ahead President Obama - do well - we all need you to.

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SFOSOK

Actually pretty close to the truth there. I was thinking of trying to get dual citizenship for switzerland because we have to re-apply every 3 generations for my family if we aren't living there.

Also Gun sales are way up, people anticipating riots if anything happens to Obama.

I think Obama ultimately won because of the same reason Bush won originally. He look, sounded, and acted more like what most people identify as a president.

What scares me is he has almost no real leadership experience close to being the president.

In all honesty I didn't really think McCain could do much either but I know he was a colonel and leader

So I really dunno, but I don't think anyone can deliver on the promisses Obama has made.

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strjms72

i heard on opinion poll that 40 years in the future the white people will be minority in America. so it shouldn't surprise us obama's victory.

OmegaRED

There's no sore losers in this thread. Nope.

One of you needs to say "Game over man!"

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WTF!?!?! The post you replied to said NOTHING about race. You had NOTHING intelligent to say in rebuttal, so you fell back on the lame ass "race card".

FUCK YOU!!! I'm tired of seeing people being labeled as a racist just because they don't like ONE individual of some minority.

Go ahead call ME a racist too, because I didn't vote for "The Messiah". That's right I'm a racist because I don't like ONE "black man"!

I didn't vote for McCain because I couldn't vote for a black man. I voted for McCain, because the lieing weasel that was running on the Dem side is a fucking MARXIST. It's not having a black man elected that bugs me, it haveing a MARXIST elected

Take your race card and shove it up your ass.

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OmegaRED

Game over man, game over!

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CDsDontBurn

judas, that was an awesome picture you put up, i couldn't stop ROFLing for several minutes thereafter.

as for Obama winning the presidential election, it's going to be different for sure. hopefully, he can pull through with at least most things that he has said. He's promissed lower taxes, but we all know that for public services or to bail out the US Government out of a financial mess, like you know...those $900 billion bailout loan that was recently issued by our government. personally, as long as taxes go for accepted good social programs, i wouldn't mind to pay a little more on taxes; but not for bailing out our free-market economy.

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I think schools should take field trips down to local social security offices and show the kids who exactly is getting a handout and who isn't.

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Neshi

what's that all about? It isn't like he is putting everything under state property... Do you even know what a TRUE marxist stands for, what Karl Marx really had in mind?
If you take a non-biased look at the core of communism and collectivism, it isn't that bad, better yet, it is pretty good.
But it can never really happen, because it relies on ALL the people obeying the system. If one takes power it goes wrong -> power corrupts.


You should do that, and it is fairly easy.. I have dual citizenship too with holland/switzerland.

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In thought good, in practice horrible for any country.

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mkk

Is there any official or fairly reliable number for the voter turnup yet?

Falstaff

The game is never over Omega
btw...
Kudos on your bold and witty and informed statements in the thread so far..

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Last I heard it was about 140MM

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I'm always a fan of ur sarcasm Jeff.

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swimtech

Just a hair under 70% in my county - yes, county - and two thirds or so of those voted before Nov. 4th - and of those, two to one for Obama. On election day, the 4th, the remaining third who went to the regular polling places throughout the county voted two to one for McCain. Interesting huh? Obama won the county - first Democratic victory I've seen in 27 years living here.

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CDsDontBurn

On election day, N. Carolina was dead even with 50/50 of the results and tallys still being counted. Now, that seems to have been resolved, but it appears that Missoury is undergoing the same process. however, it seems that McCain will have that state though.

President - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

on a side note, does anybody have a link to a video stream of Obama's and McCain's speech from election night?

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Judas

google video is your friend...

there are countless streams of both

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Statewide, with over 4 million votes cast, the difference between the two is only 10-12 thousand votes. But, it doesn't matter at this point because the electoral count has Obama way ahead. NCs votes are moot for the Presidency at this point - as it turns out...

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Zelig

I don't see where you're coming from here, you seem to be misinterpreting either Obama's position, or Marxism itself.

Obama barely even qualifies as left-wing, particularly socially, he supports the death penalty and opposes same sex marriage, positions which are basically untenable as a leading politician in much of the west. Economically, from what I've seen he's still right-wing when comparing to the rest of the developed world, although his mumbling about NAFTA didn't sound particularly progressive. You have to look at politics on a broader spectrum than simply in the United States once you start throwing around terms like "Marxism'.

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Obama is about Obama.
If you examine his career and even read his speeches, sans his famous oratory, he is another Cicero. He inspires and often influences his friends and enemies with a simple formula of making a statement and grandstanding on the popular position or problem, but rarely states his absolute decision in his remarks. He chooses to simply make good speeches and has a very broad demographic behind him.
The reason he was elected as I have stated before is that Democrats and Republicans want something different.
He isnt a Bobby Kennedy or even a JFK.
He isnt a Reagan or Nixon, hell he isnt even an Al Gore or Lieberman.
Among his peers, even among his constiuents, he is difficult to pin down and that makes him very very similiar to McCain.
He is not a Bush, but beware, those situations that transformed Bush into the something that poeple spend endless hours criticizing will ultimately test Obama as well, and we might all be equally less generous about his choices.
Poeple claim that Bush is a warmonger..
those of you old enough can appreciate this, but you young folks examine history.
How many Presidents started wars?
How many Presidents ended wars?
How many Presidents were elected based on the unpopularity of the former?
How many Presidents were or are Lawyers?
How many Presidents were implicated in scandals or plots.
How many Presidents were treated much kinder by history than during their administration.
Divide them up between Democratic and Republican and see what you get.
Kind of a mixed bag huh?
Oh and last but not least...
How many were blamed for economic problems or economic success during their administrrations?

IMO not much is different about each one except they were responding to change, and how they respond to change determines whether they are percieved in my book, or whether I am impressed.

I have served under six of them, and they all had their faults and foibles and absolutely none of them are as ambiguous as our 44th President.

The Progressive Majority? Not a new idea.
He voted as a conventional liberal as a senator, but he wants to break down bipartizen walls...good luck, it sounded good but it has always failed to meet the mark, and three presidents have tried it.

Economic reform? tick tock tick tock, heard that six times already, although each president can take credit for some incremental reform or boost to the enconomy, no doubt OBAMA will to, or fail miserably.

Tax Paying Americans want a chicken in every pot, mail delivered on time and a job to go to and a home to live in, that has never changed.

Pinning Obama down in front of a camera will ultimately fail because he like Bill Clinton and many before never state their true objectives in front of the American people, it just isnt smart.

Preferring to reach a concensus before he makes a decison might well be a new tactic for Senator Obama but it might be equally as frustrating and that makes him no different than his predecessors.

For those of you that believe in a new America then watch Mr. Obama very closely or better yet...read a bloody history book and do some inventory on all the former presidents and try to weed out the salient points in Mr. Obama's speeches and remain vigilant...you might find he is no different than those before him..


Wouldnt that be a surprise?


Not...

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