SFOSOK

Well, if you were ever thinking about buying a firearm, now is the time to do it. I've heard from many people that multiple taxes on firearms and ammunition are being prepared by the precious Obama's soon to be administration.

Lets face it, all this "6 billion $ here and 12 billion $ here" has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is the American people.


Even though its a rumor I also heard gun taxes could go as much as 300% higher.



Way to keep the guns out of the hands of the people who actually need it to defend themselves!





Anyway, I'm planning on buying a springfield 1911 & M1A before they are outlawed in california.

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Judas

go the ilegal route.... they are in good supply

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FuNsTeR

defend themselves against what an invasion by Canada or Mexico

the only people that should have a gun are the armed forces, police men/women and licensed hunters

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CDsDontBurn

you provide an excellent point here while giving some comic relief as well

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Neshi

what's the use of buying them now, if they are outlawed in the near future... you'll just have to hand them in then anyway..? you could save that money for something else...

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OmegaRED

If I was American I'd be buying firearms now to protect myself from the hicks buying firearms because of Obama

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Falstaff

that is precisely what I thought you would say..LOL
you sir, are a silly man.

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Judas

this presents absalute power, and absalute power corrupts absalutely.

Who cares about money, any money you've saved isn't going to matter if your dead.

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Neshi

so you think the police will be even more corrupt when they are the only ones with guns?
I think guns should be allowed, but only if you're licensed, and the licensing should be a whole process where there is checked thoroughly if you may buy a gun, and only if you go to the shooting range frequently.

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Judas

it isn't so much cause an effect.... it's the mentality of some of the power tripping "authorities" that'll take advantage of it.


And lets not forget that most of everyone has complete corrupted the idea of authority in the first place. Infallible is now the norm of how people view authority, with others right on the other edge of realizing that many considering themselves infallible, abusing it.

It's bad enough you can't even talk to police anymore without them having a fit and either arresting you or shooting you. "don't question what i do or how i do it, just do what i say, and for the life of you, DO NOT do what i do" is the growing motto

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Tinkerhell

Well half of the above posts I don't understand - either poor English or poor grammar *blah* either way.

You know my thoughts, if you are thinking about buying a gun you probably should go get two of em.
I'm working a gun show this weekend as the membership coord for a statewide pro 2nd amendment group.

BO's administration IS going to try & get anti-gun legislation passed during his term. The only question is what form it will be.


This
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are just sad.

And this
That's great, so only certain people can have a gun? Or maybe you meant we all need licenses so that when the .Gov decides we don't need them anymore they will have handy list to see whose door to go knock on to pick up those guns we are registered & licensed for.

Luckily we have the that pesky 2nd Amendment still and that pretty much grants everyone the right to have a weapon until such time as you prove yourself unworthy to own one (commit a felony, get judged mentally incompetent ect...).

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FuNsTeR

please explain what was sad about what i posted, why does anybody in this day in age need a gun unless you intend to use it .... it is just not normal, kids are shooting up classmates (i know it isn't a everyday occurance) over petty feuds by user their parents gun

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Judas

I don't have a gun, but there is reasons for it..... i've never fired one.... but i don't look forward to the day that i may have to use one.

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FuNsTeR

its probably what folk are brought up ..... i was brought up that guns are wrong and that and my old man said he would disown me if i ever had one .... not that i could use it because hand guns are illegal in Scotland and the rest of the uk ... some folk can still get a hold of firmarms via the black market/gangsters

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Judas

I think having to use guns period.. or any form of which is just sad... it proves that people insist on using ilogical and unreasonable means to get what they want..... then again it's bad enough that it's a catch 22 in which to protect yourself from those that are like this requires you to have the same amount of threat.

No lvl of threat results in those that have threat to simply walk in.. and dominate. Where as being a threat results in a more cautious stance.

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SFOSOK

Well I'm sorry man, but the real world doesn't play nice. Since I'm moved out on my own there has been a shooting right down the street from where I live. Also was a robbery and shooting about a yr back in that area. Its not even a bad area, just more desperate people now.

When it comes to protecting your family you do what ever it takes. Otherwise you are fucking idiot.

The idea of "I will never have use for a gun" is not compatible with someone trying to rob your house, shoot you, and rape your wife. Because guess what? they will always have guns, and you wont. And that may sound unrealistic but it happens a lot.

So any chance you have of protecting your family you should just throw out the window.



Sure it may have never happened to you, and may never happen but I've always said better safe than sorry. So go ahead and shut your eyes, but no one else is going to play nice with you.








Also, America's greatest enemy is itself at this point. If you look at history, anytime an empire gets to mighty it collapses in on itself.

And if the government ever tried to takes guns away from Americans there would be a civil war.

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Falstaff

possessing some form of protection is best. If that means lethal force then so be it.
I agree
the world is not nice, crime is a problem
if it were the bad guy or the good guy, I vote good guy wins
Keep the "make my day" laws on the books
train people to exercise lethal force.
discourage would be criminals and baddies
kill only when necessary
do not attempt to wound your opponent.

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dawgXdenta

Firearms are a goddam waste of time. I've lived in south africa once and firearms there are probably in more full suppy than in the US. The fact that you do have a firearm means that your chances of using it rise by 3000%. It also means you are fully assured of gun murders etc. A neighboring counrty to SA has a sunstantial number less gun murders and armed robberies because gun control is highly regulated.

Kind of the same as Canada and the US. Gun murders US: "its rate for aggravated assault was more than double and its murder rate was triple that of Canada"
wikipedia

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SFOSOK

There are a lot of stupid people in Africa. Prolly more untrained or uneducated than dumb. Pouring guns into the country is just a good business decision if you are a smuggler.

Well, if you look at my state (California) we have some of the strictest gun laws in the country yet some of the highest crime rates. Crime is going to happen with or without guns. If a 6'3" 250lbs man with a knife comes into your house and all you have is a knife, chances are you will lose.

Shootings still happen at an increasing rate.

Also, you can look at Switzerland. Some of the most relaxed gun laws and a minimal crime rate. I do believe almost every household in the main cities requires an automatic weapon.



Its not the guns that are the problem, its the people allowed to have them or get their hands on them.


Very dumb people with guns = very bad. Very bad but smart people with guns = worse. Good people with guns = safe (at least more so than with nothing).



Gun laws should focus more on restricing who can and cannot have guns. Requiring testing, permits, courses and other things for even long rifles and shotguns.

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temeteus82

Get Heckler & Koch Mark 23 legally if you can.

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BlueMak

If I lived in the USA, I would get one. Since for now I am in the UK, it's impossible to do so, at least legaly. Owners of guns are hunted down more than almost any other person that may or may not do something illegal.

I was lucky enough (when I was in the navy, not here) to have 3 weapons, 1 M14, 1 G3A3 and 1...Tommygun (Thompson submachine gun if you play WW2 themed games) with the drum magazine. It worked ok and it was like new, but whenever I was using it I felt like a gangster from the Prohibition era lol.

I believe people should be able to buy guns, legaly. Governments cannot be trusted, criminals cannot be trusted, crazy people, cannot be trusted, so you might as well have some extra protection than rely of luck. That's my view anyway.

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dawgXdenta

I guess it does depend on the people and not the firearm. But I still hate guns with all of me. My favorite aunt was killed in 1996 in South Africa yes that's with a gun and it happened after they moved from a relatively safer part of south africa to a more crime prone area. It tore my cousin apart , I loved her and...

....agghhh! you get the point guns are just for killing people they have no other purpose.

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BlueMak

People pull the trigger. If your aunt used a gun, things might have been different. You can kidnap with a knife under the throat. Sorry about your aunt.

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Neshi

that's exactly what I was saying.

And as for what bluemak was saying, I agree that guns should be able to be bought legally, but with strict regulations.

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SFOSOK

That depends. Gun's are also used in international competitions (The Olympics) for target and accuracy shooting. Should we ban baseball because you can kill someone (rather easy) with a baseball bat?

I guess I do see what you are saying but it mostly goes back to beliefs and how you would see yourself using that firearm.

I make it my personal responsibility (because I sell firearms through my work) to make sure all end users know that is not a toy, it needs to maintained and shot to keep proficiency, and should be locked up and away with the ammo separated unless hunting, target (or skeet) shooting, or home protection.

South Africa is a whole different ball game. Where who ever has the most people with guns has the most power. Guns are not used as a fail-safe but as an assault weapon intend to kill and control.


If I were you, I would carry a firearm. Not to start a fight or cause problems but to make sure you at least have a fighting chance should a worst case scenario arrive. something small that you can put in a case and hide somewhere.

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Alistair

All I know about things are I have my guns, enjoy using them recreationally, and like the safety I feel knowing one is at arms reach at all times. When I first moved into my new house somebody attempted to break into it. I grabbed my S&W 1911, loaded up (I store all my firearms unloaded...), and then proceeded to inform the fucker I was armed verbally and by getting a bullet into the action. With that whoever it was disappeared into the night and has never returned. My grandparents have been robbed as have my parents. Hell the city of Philadelphia banned guns long ago and has a ridiculous murder rate that every year comes relatively close to one murder a day. As soon as you leave the city and go places where they can own guns the statistic changes dramatically.

Humans are prone to being stupid and inflicting harm on others. The mere threat of harm is usually enough to scare them off in the dark but it definitely feels nice to know that if it were to ever come to it I could defend myself. When the police arrive at the scene I want to be the one still standing. I know many may disagree but guns are nothing more than a tool.

As far as licensing? I think that's a bad idea to leave that to the bureaucrats. Even in Pennsylvania getting a license to carry varys county by county. I'm lucky enough to live in one in which the sheriff's department does the minimum which consists of a criminal background check. Other counties require you tell them why you want the guns and have lengthy waiting periods to get the permit. If you add some sort of psych evaluation you end up with what will become a catch 22. Some sheriffs may decide that merely wanting the permit makes you mentally lacking and deny you on that basis. Don't try to say that couldn't happen because it could and would in many areas.

Also I pity the fools who try to take our guns away from us. Civil war? Definitely and I think one guy refusing the turn over his guns getting killed by government agents attempting to forcibly take them being broadcast on the news would be enough to trigger it. Do I think that will happen anytime soon? No though I do see them upping taxes on my guns and ammunition. As a result of that I have personally been buying a few boxes of ammo for my various guns each time I'm at a store that carries them.

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SFOSOK

Two small and light for my hands. Felt like a toy.

Sig 220 .45 has a better weight for a smaller gun
USP .45 is nice too
1911 fits my hands the best though.

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Brian48

Nothing wrong with a good John Browning by your side. The only problem is that they're addictive. You can't just have one

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