Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!]

comp_ali · Jan 10, 2009, 07:14 PM

Now in Gaza

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Wednesday, January 07, 2009

Al-Fakhoura School Bombed, 42 Killed, Including Children;
13,000 Homeless
Water, Medicine in Short Supply

For whole thread
Informed Comment: Al-Fakhoura School Bombed, 42 Killed, Including Children; <br> 13,000 Homeless <br> Water, Medicine in Short Supply

Reckless187 · Jan 10, 2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmez

You could just use a neutron bomb if you want to get rid of everyone, shame it leaves no fallout or damage (not much compared). So people could still fight over the land.

Found a pic see:

Cool! How big would it have to be though, to drop on Israel? Quite a lot of land there tbh.

comp_ali · Jan 11, 2009, 08:35 PM

Making sure they get to school.

Helping Ladies across the street.

Providing childcare.

Allowing them a place to rest (permanently)

Respecting American and British pacifist resisters (such as American Rachel Corrie)

**temeteus82** · Jan 11, 2009, 11:13 PM

comp_ali @ I have just one question for you who started this madness?

Disclaimer! I made this post as an individual person. This post has nothing to do with DriverHeaven and/or my position in the DriverHeaven forums.

Reckless187 · Jan 11, 2009, 11:47 PM

LOL, who started it. Thats the sort of thing a kid in a school yard comes out with to justufy their naughty little deeds. That justifies Israels killing of innocents over those of the killings of Hamas? From the new reports being shown, itsthe public men, women and children that started it seing as they're the ones being bombed. Does that answer you question?

**temeteus82** · Jan 12, 2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Reckless187

LOL, who started it. Thats the sort of thing a kid in a school yard comes out with to justufy their naughty little deeds. That justifies Israels killing of innocents over those of the killings of Hamas? From the new reports being shown, itsthe public men, women and children that started it seing as they're the ones being bombed. Does that answer you question?

Well perhaps I should have been more accurate... I meant the current thing what is going on in Gaza.... for my point of view if Hamas had sticked the ceasefire there would not be this offense from IDF....

Do note that the disclaimer in previous post of my still stands for this...

Reckless187 · Jan 12, 2009, 12:40 AM

Ah, ok. That makes sense now, thats a good enough reason for the world then, a good enough reason for the IDF to bomb everything that moves. Now thats what you call a war!!!

Do you think there'll be complete peace after everythings been bombed into kingdom come and there's no more Palestinians, because thats the way I see things headed. Or will there be trouble with the 'new' neighbours, the Egyptians?

comp_ali · Jan 12, 2009, 09:52 AM

Like Reckless187 said above , Assuming you are right "I do agree partially" with what hamas done, The reaction should be going to militants not civilian kids and women.

But that is not new, Israel wanted to do as much damage as possible to the infrastructure to make people press on Hamas to change her tactics.

Last thing ,according to Newton's third law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. I don't know what equality you meant here!!

SFOSOK · Jan 12, 2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Reckless187

Ah, ok. That makes sense now, thats a good enough reason for the world then, a good enough reason for the IDF to bomb everything that moves. Now thats what you call a war!!!

Do you think there'll be complete peace after everythings been bombed into kingdom come and there's no more Palestinians, because thats the way I see things headed. Or will there be trouble with the 'new' neighbours, the Egyptians?

This is not a grasp for land but retaliation because of Hamas. You can't throw rocks at an angry and abused dog not expect to get your f*ckin hand bitten off.

Good for Israel, this is war people die. Palestine should have thought of that before they let Hamas break the cease fire (WITH NO WARRANT) by firing aimlessly at a civilian population.

All the rest of this crap post on here is propaganda. You can post any pictures you want with any subtitles. The could be from years ago or yesterday in a different country. I can't believe that any of you believe the information coming from anyone over there. If you want a real opinion go and see it for yourself.

I don't know about you guys, but if someone was launching rockets into my backyard at my family with the intention to kill I would do everything in my power to obliterate the motherf*ckers

A slap on the wrist from the UN has never done shit

mkk · Jan 12, 2009, 10:43 AM

Yonatan Shapira, a former IDF captain in an interview about a year before recent events and an interview from a couple of days ago on BBC. A person with first hand knowledge and a mind not skewed by hatred towards anyone.

YouTube - Refusenik Yonatan Shapira

YouTube - Israel Palestine Peace Message By Yonatan Shapira

Neshi · Jan 12, 2009, 10:46 AM

I wouldn't be surprised they broke the ceasefire on purpose, knowing Israel would retaliate hard, so there was another reason to continue fighting.

But indeed, you can't expect your actions won't have a reaction. They must have known this would happen.

And I agree with SFOSOK, I mean, all those pictures you're posting. Its all the bad Israeli's against innocent Palestinians, you're showing us 1 side of the story..

**temeteus82** · Jan 12, 2009, 10:58 AM

The problem in here is that Hamas has their troops placed in places near the civilian population so it is clear that there will be damage to the infra and civilian population. That is just what Hamas wants more desperate people to fight for them.

comp_ali · Jan 12, 2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Neshi

And I agree with SFOSOK, I mean, all those pictures you're posting. Its all the bad Israeli's against innocent Palestinians, you're showing us 1 side of the story..

I showed that not because I deny the other side but as it is shown already on channels and numbers on each side talk by itself

Teme:

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The problem in here is that Hamas has their troops placed in places near the civilian population so it is clear that there will be damage to the infra and civilian population. That is just what Hamas wants more desperate people to fight for them.

The same thing could any one use to give him the right to kill innocent(Look at American air forces strikes in Pakistan and there is not even any militants between the dead.

The ratio between innocent/militants kills justify what I say

Neshi · Jan 12, 2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

numbers on each side talk by itself

then why show them in the first place, as numbers talk for itself, as you say...
Isn't it to create a certain feel or emotion through the thread.

**temeteus82** · Jan 12, 2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

The ratio between innocent/militants kills justify what I say

Perhaps...

Reckless187 · Jan 12, 2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

This is not a grasp for land but retaliation because of Hamas. You can't throw rocks at an angry and abused dog not expect to get your f*ckin hand bitten off.

Good for Israel, this is war people die. Palestine should have thought of that before they let Hamas break the cease fire (WITH NO WARRANT) by firing aimlessly at a civilian population.

All the rest of this crap post on here is propaganda. You can post any pictures you want with any subtitles. The could be from years ago or yesterday in a different country. I can't believe that any of you believe the information coming from anyone over there. If you want a real opinion go and see it for yourself.

I don't know about you guys, but if someone was launching rockets into my backyard at my family with the intention to kill I would do everything in my power to obliterate the motherf*ckers

A slap on the wrist from the UN has never done shit

It's never been about the land? Give me a break. It's been about the land for centuries!!!! So, did Palestines hand over all the land they used to have around about the end of WWII? I doubt it. No coutry just hands over land and control of water, power and food to them, to another bunch of people. OCCUPATION. Ever heard the word?

You say a slap on wrist from the UN has never done shit, well you can say that again son!!! How many sanctions has the UN put on Israel which Israel ignores. Have a read for yourself, HERE. Or is this also propaganda, by the UN?

You go on like Israel has never set a foot wrong since this conflict started. Theres no innocents here but the civillians on BOTH sides but the only tears you fools cry are for the ones in Israel. Israel are just as guilty of war crimes. They're just lucky that Palestine dont have a real army to do real damage with.

comp_ali · Jan 12, 2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Neshi

Isn't it to create a certain feel or emotion through the thread.

Do I must support Israel to post on this site

May be I should be accused of causing offending feelings !!!

Side note: My respects to teme as he tried not to involve too much in the thread hot discussion with his personal opinions.

Neshi · Jan 12, 2009, 10:43 PM

Not saying you should side with Israel. I don't care who you side with.

It just seems a bit odd in my eyes to just show one side of the matter if you're discussing the whole thing.

LordLink · Jan 13, 2009, 03:53 AM

When human rights associations manifest they gather civilians to make their points heard, that's called Human Shields.
When there's an isreali warning of bombing a civilian house because it's "supposedly" containing bombs or terrorists, civilians regroup near the house to try to prevent the IDF from bombing it.

The sad truth is that IDF bombs the houses anyway even if civilian casualties are inevitable.

Look at what they're using against civilians

Burning Conscience: Israeli Soldiers Speak Out

Former israeli airforce captain yonotan shapira: obama acts like a slave to aipac

Welcome to Hell : Gaza's Unending Misery

And to answer the question who started this : the ceasefire was ongoing with a very tight blocus on the Gaza strip that made life so difficult for the population that they were dying slowing, crying for help, lacking elementary medicines, food, fuel ... everything.

Can you respect anything if you're living in such conditions?

Here's better explanation of the context before the war on Gaza
War of Choice: How Israel Manufactured the Gaza Escalation

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Indeed, there was a genuine lull in rocket and mortar fire between June 19 and November 4, due to Hamas compliance and only sporadically violated by a small number of launchings carried out by rival Fatah and Islamic Jihad militants, largely in defiance of Hamas. According to the conservative Israeli-based Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center's analysis of rocket and missile attacks in 2008, there were only three rockets fired at Israel in July, September, and October combined. Israeli civilians living near Gaza experienced an almost unprecedented degree of security during this period, with no Israeli casualties.

Yet despite the major lull, Israel continually raided the West Bank, arresting and frequently killing "wanted" Palestinians from June to October, which had the inevitable effect of ratcheting up pressure on Hamas to respond. Moreover, while the central expectation of Hamas going into the ceasefire was that Israel would lift the siege on Gaza, Israel only took the barest steps to ease the siege, which kept the people at a bare survival level. This policy was a clear affront to Hamas, and had the inescapable effect of undermining both Hamas and popular Palestinian support for the ceasefire.

LordLink · Jan 13, 2009, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

Perhaps...

1105 killed in Gaza more than 700 were civilians and more than 5000 wounded by israeli forces almost half of them women and children ... and counting ...

on 01/14/2009 24 people were killed on Wednesday, at least nine of them civilians, including two medics

You can also have a look on total Israelis and Gazans killed by month on 2008

... meditating ...

mkk · Jan 17, 2009, 10:04 AM

A short and to the point 5min speech in british parliament by current member and former minister Gerald Kaufman. Mr Kaufman is also member of the pro-zionist Jewish Labour Movement.
YouTube - UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

comp_ali · Jan 17, 2009, 05:27 PM

I hope I could fight those heartless criminals.

Fresh evidence of Israeli phosphorus use in Gaza emerges | World news | guardian.co.uk

Gaza's child victims | World news | The Guardian

dawgXdenta · Jan 18, 2009, 02:27 PM

Those two have been at it for years, its time they just either blast each other with nukes or make peace. The rest of the world shouldnt interfer muslim or otherwise its inhouse fighting.

I know what i said sounds harsh and it is but I've hated what theyv been doing and I blame them both. FULLSTOP

dawgXdenta · Jan 18, 2009, 02:32 PM

Its sad to say for some of us its a boring topic and I just change the channel when I see that ish.
Much respect and sympathy to the wounded and injured. Whats the point if we scream and jossle about if we dont say it as it is. Make peace people or get out the nukes.

mkk · Jan 19, 2009, 02:04 PM

It's no wonder that people get turned away from following the conflict when major news media often gurge out reports with very little real contents, at least when it comes to television news. Reiterating uncertain statistics and interviewing propaganda officials from anywhere does nothing to intice the viewer to go looking for background information, or any reliable facts at all.

A recent MIT lecture on Gaza by Noam Chomsky is up on Youtube and contains more information on the prelude of this latest whatyamightcallit. Now of course Chomsky lights a red flag for many because of his conclusions or choice of words, but the facts presented are no less sound. When one digs for information one always has to evalue ones findings regardless of the source, so either you're interested to find out more or not. YouTube - Noam Chomsky On Gaza - 2009.01.13 - MIT (1 of 11)

dawgXdenta · Jan 20, 2009, 09:44 AM

Sorry guys for seeming inconsiderate and insensetive but , i hate that situation. I wish it would just go away.

mkk · Jan 28, 2009, 07:15 PM

CBS 60 Minutes recently had a short piece on not Gaza but the West Bank and the perpetual siege and humiliation of a much larger area.
Is Peace Out Of Reach? Video - CBSNews.com

A letter in the Guardian from Oxford Professor Avi Shlaim that touches on some commonly used propaganda myths, like that the assault on Gaza was some kind of war or that it was Hamas that broke the preceding ceasefire.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...r-hamas-israel

dawgXdenta · Jan 29, 2009, 01:30 PM

There are men who sit atop ivory towers and stroke white cats, and that brief war made them millions, lets not forget those twats.

DJ BIG T · Jan 29, 2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

I am taking about Egypt & sudan and numbers of african countries as well not Germany .
You said Israel is asking for peace that is the silliest joke I've ever heard. Even for some who tried that like Arafat in Oslo obtain nothing and at last he got killed by poisonous food after being blockaded to get more dumping one Abbas

And what war did Israel win in face to face battles. the only ones they "won" for a limited time was either an airstrikes not combat or when Egypt was involved in corrupt weapond deal.

And about countries you said to have terror attack I don't talk about pesonals I am taking about countries like Israel USA and their tail UK "with my respect for peoples I am just hating the politics"

And what is your problem with my believes. you must have a corrupt head.

i'm not dissing you but you really need to look in your history books and read about all the wars they had... i also agree with blue on everything he said..

SFOSOK · Jan 30, 2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

Making sure they get to school.

Helping Ladies across the street.

I don't know if you noticed but these dumb f*cking goons have no idea what they are doing.

The first and second picture he is pointing his gun at a kid. How the f*ck do you help a kid get to school if you don't even know how to hold your rifle and you are pointing it in his general direction?

The second picture looks like that lady is being forced somewhere not being "helped across the street".

Are you guys really so dumb as to believe these pictures?

If they can't even make some fake pictures showing their "humanity" then how stupid could these people really be?

Jan 11, 2009, 08:35 PM	Thread Starter #63
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,441 Rep Power: 331 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Making sure they get to school. Helping Ladies across the street. Providing childcare. Allowing them a place to rest (permanently) Respecting American and British pacifist resisters (such as American Rachel Corrie) __________________

Jan 11, 2009, 11:47 PM	#65
Reckless187 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 717 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] LOL, who started it. Thats the sort of thing a kid in a school yard comes out with to justufy their naughty little deeds. That justifies Israels killing of innocents over those of the killings of Hamas? From the new reports being shown, itsthe public men, women and children that started it seing as they're the ones being bombed. Does that answer you question?

Jan 12, 2009, 12:40 AM	#67
Reckless187 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 717 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Ah, ok. That makes sense now, thats a good enough reason for the world then, a good enough reason for the IDF to bomb everything that moves. Now thats what you call a war!!! Do you think there'll be complete peace after everythings been bombed into kingdom come and there's no more Palestinians, because thats the way I see things headed. Or will there be trouble with the 'new' neighbours, the Egyptians?

Jan 12, 2009, 09:52 AM	Thread Starter #68
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,441 Rep Power: 331 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Like Reckless187 said above , Assuming you are right "I do agree partially" with what hamas done, The reaction should be going to militants not civilian kids and women. But that is not new, Israel wanted to do as much damage as possible to the infrastructure to make people press on Hamas to change her tactics. Last thing ,according to Newton's third law: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. I don't know what equality you meant here!! __________________

Jan 12, 2009, 10:43 AM	#70
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,384 Rep Power: 120 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Yonatan Shapira, a former IDF captain in an interview about a year before recent events and an interview from a couple of days ago on BBC. A person with first hand knowledge and a mind not skewed by hatred towards anyone. YouTube - Refusenik Yonatan Shapira YouTube - Israel Palestine Peace Message By Yonatan Shapira

Jan 12, 2009, 10:46 AM	#71
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,261 Rep Power: 150 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] I wouldn't be surprised they broke the ceasefire on purpose, knowing Israel would retaliate hard, so there was another reason to continue fighting. But indeed, you can't expect your actions won't have a reaction. They must have known this would happen. And I agree with SFOSOK, I mean, all those pictures you're posting. Its all the bad Israeli's against innocent Palestinians, you're showing us 1 side of the story.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's Last edited by Neshi; Jan 12, 2009 at 10:52 AM.

Jan 12, 2009, 10:43 PM	#78
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,261 Rep Power: 150 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Not saying you should side with Israel. I don't care who you side with. It just seems a bit odd in my eyes to just show one side of the matter if you're discussing the whole thing. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Jan 17, 2009, 10:04 AM	#81
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,384 Rep Power: 120 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] A short and to the point 5min speech in british parliament by current member and former minister Gerald Kaufman. Mr Kaufman is also member of the pro-zionist Jewish Labour Movement. YouTube - UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

Jan 17, 2009, 05:27 PM	Thread Starter #82
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,441 Rep Power: 331 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] I hope I could fight those heartless criminals. Fresh evidence of Israeli phosphorus use in Gaza emerges \| World news \| guardian.co.uk Gaza's child victims \| World news \| The Guardian __________________

Jan 18, 2009, 02:27 PM	#83
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,988 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Those two have been at it for years, its time they just either blast each other with nukes or make peace. The rest of the world shouldnt interfer muslim or otherwise its inhouse fighting. I know what i said sounds harsh and it is but I've hated what theyv been doing and I blame them both. FULLSTOP __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Jan 18, 2009, 02:32 PM	#84
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,988 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Its sad to say for some of us its a boring topic and I just change the channel when I see that ish. Much respect and sympathy to the wounded and injured. Whats the point if we scream and jossle about if we dont say it as it is. Make peace people or get out the nukes. __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Jan 19, 2009, 02:04 PM	#85
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,384 Rep Power: 120 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] It's no wonder that people get turned away from following the conflict when major news media often gurge out reports with very little real contents, at least when it comes to television news. Reiterating uncertain statistics and interviewing propaganda officials from anywhere does nothing to intice the viewer to go looking for background information, or any reliable facts at all. A recent MIT lecture on Gaza by Noam Chomsky is up on Youtube and contains more information on the prelude of this latest whatyamightcallit. Now of course Chomsky lights a red flag for many because of his conclusions or choice of words, but the facts presented are no less sound. When one digs for information one always has to evalue ones findings regardless of the source, so either you're interested to find out more or not. YouTube - Noam Chomsky On Gaza - 2009.01.13 - MIT (1 of 11)

Jan 20, 2009, 09:44 AM	#86
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,988 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] Sorry guys for seeming inconsiderate and insensetive but , i hate that situation. I wish it would just go away. __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Jan 28, 2009, 07:15 PM	#87
mkk Cthulhu/Dagon 2012 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gefle, Sweden Posts: 4,384 Rep Power: 120 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] CBS 60 Minutes recently had a short piece on not Gaza but the West Bank and the perpetual siege and humiliation of a much larger area. Is Peace Out Of Reach? Video - CBSNews.com A letter in the Guardian from Oxford Professor Avi Shlaim that touches on some commonly used propaganda myths, like that the assault on Gaza was some kind of war or that it was Hamas that broke the preceding ceasefire. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...r-hamas-israel Last edited by mkk; Jan 28, 2009 at 07:22 PM.

Jan 29, 2009, 01:30 PM	#88
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,988 Rep Power: 133 System Specs	Re: Gaza is Burning [Warning! graphic content!] There are men who sit atop ivory towers and stroke white cats, and that brief war made them millions, lets not forget those twats. __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/