Falstaff

I found nothing new in his speeches, his address or his declared intentions, he is a politician, nothing more.
If he accomplishes anything on behalf of the U.S. government it might be to raise the bar a bit in terms of accountability, but I dont see it. Obama has no experience therefore I am looking forward to a cadre of cronies that will continue to represent the interests of his constituents. What I have seen and read so far is absolute ignorance about Obama, racism and outright hyperbole, but nothing about what his supports expect from him here.
A more qualified candidate would have been Hilliary Clinton, not Obama.

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temeteus82

Jeff, we just will have to wait and see how he performs it takes at least 6 months of time when we can draw the first conclusions..

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dawgXdenta

Hehe. I always find it cool to talk to people honestly and openly, thats why I love DH. It ain't just about rude misgivings and random anger(like some other sites)
This was a cool discussion and thanks for you input, its added to mine and makes me understand more.

I only have one question however, with all the stuff on the news what do you think of your children and the upcoming generation? How good or bad do you things will be for them? How will they live through upcoming calamities and SCIENTIFIC prophesies of doom.

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Judas

i think it's quite interesting how people have completely lost thier own real value..... claiming that no single person could ever do anything major. They claim how thier self worth is simply worthless. That the best they could do is donate a few bucks and continue on with thier relatively unimportant life. Considering the number of people that aren't really truly providing anything benificial in thier life... it's quite unfortunate.

Either way, i know a single person, reguardless of age or anything... can have enourmous impacts on the entire planet... for years. To bad everyone is brainwashed into thinking otherwise.

And the political system has been turned into what would be the most suitable term... a GAME.... and they'll say anything at all to make it sound all great.

There is a 0.0001% chance that obama actually make any part of that speech to begin with.

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Tinkerhell

Me too Dawg. Part of it is me (that is, I'm changing as I get older & supposedly wiser) and I have things is a different perspective than I did a few years ago. Part of it is DH and the environment it fosters & the people it draws. Me likes. I also particularly like hearing the views of those who are not from the US and my culture. Though it does more often than not make me sad because I disagree with their views & ideals. :/

Funny you ask about the children thing.
I've a 10 month old son now & I've been thinking, reading & talking about that kind of a thing quite a bit. I feel that at least for now, in the US the option of doing & being anything he wants is open to my son & anyone else that want to take it.

My prayers heavily center on the Lord helping me to be a good father, to raise my son to be a responsible & true man and learning to live by a certain code & standard. Of course I intend to make every path & option open to him that I am able. I worry about where my nation is headed and what that will mean for him (for many years I felt that I would never have kids because I didn't want to subject them to where I feel like the world is headed). I think it's going the wrong way - to a more socialized, dependant society (points that Judas strongly touches upon & with which I agree with him). Actually I think the world in general is headed that way and I think it is a sad thing. Again I'll just point to Judas's post for that.

Oh, and to Judas, bear in mind I am not saying that a person can't make a difference. Of course one person can. Happens everyday. It is just not my current goal in life to make a obvious impact on the world. With that said, I have a son. I try to live a righteous life. Everyone I interact with & the manner in which I am raising my child will have an impact on, ultimately upon 1000s and perhaps millions of people. That's the amazing thing about bringing a child into the world and striving to become a great parent.

(and in the worst case scenario - I've got lots of guns and I'll be teaching my child all about them when he is old enough. Including & arguably most important WHEN to use them)

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docvino

It doesnt matter what he does because anything he does will be better than Bush.

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Judas

we'll see.

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but everyone is selling them short if all they expect out of any president to be minimally better then the previous.... even if they really arn't...

if you have to pick the lesser of 2 evils..... pick the 3rd option

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Tinkerhell

So when you see a 10% hike in your taxes (to be redistributed to those with less than you, who have done nothing for it) a direct & concentrated assaults against your 2nd Amendment rights, an increase in what I lovingly like to call "government dependency programs", your health care goes into the toilet, and inflation reaches new heights, the dollar reaches new lows globally.

All that will be better than Bush.

I'm no Bush sycophant.
The guy did fine his first 4. He had a damn hard row to hoe with the 9/11 attacks. He had to do something. In hindsight I don't know that he did the best things, but I wasn't getting his daily reports, I don't know what he knew. I'm not going to second guess him. At least he acted & we haven't had another attack since. That's a good thing. BUT he went overboard with TSA & the patriot act. He was anything but fiscally conservative. He didn't take nearly enough of a hard-line approach to border security & illegal immigration, he didn't do crap about the epidemic problem of "pork" spending, he did nothing about the energy issues we have in the US. The list goes on. There really was no excuse for that since the Repubs had Congress.

With all that said, if BO gets away the things he claims to want to "accomplish" it will be the single most damaging blow to the principles the country was founded upon and the largest step towards socialism we have ever seen. It will also result in those who want that kind of a system having a near stranglehold upon the country - they already have every welfare and "under privileged" person in the country voting for them because those folks want $ taken from the "rich" and given to the "poor". If the Dems get a socialized healthcare system set up that will increase their voting base substantially. The slippery slope that was(is)the "New Deal" is about to get a LOT steeper.

The only real "hope" I have is that PBO doesn't manage to get everything he wants and that sometime in the next 10 years we get an equivalent to the Conservative Coalition that manages to do away with most of what PBO puts in.

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Judas

interesting you should mention 9/11 attacks.... considering the mounting weighted evidence that puts bushes administration in some pretty horrid dark light.

Unfortunately it wouldn't have matter who ended up as president because the US is essentially broker then all get out. The only thing any president can do and would be smart enough to do is to essentially slash the crap out of it's own spending habits and increase interesting rates considerably (if they are to continue to play this losing battle of a game that's been constructed around them). When a country is over 53 trillion dollars in debt and the rest of the world owns about half of your countries total value or more, you essentially for lack of a better word, screwed.

China right now could essentially legally, walk in and take over a 1/3rd of the country, homes/businesses/etc. I mean that's what the banks and government would do if you were way late on paying your loans and interest or taxes, they'd walk in and evict you straight away. And no one around would complain either...


So at this point, it really doesn't matter what obama does right now, people are going to be pissed, however what is RIGHT is another matter altogether that i hope he's actually trying to do vs what i've been reading up on.

Also pay attention, these politicians are magicians. They get you to watch what they are doing in one hand while the other is doing something completely different and ISN'T sitting idle. So when you hear something oh so great happening that he's doing, dig up what you don't see happening in the background as well. If you refuse to even accept that possibility, your ignorance is essentially your own undoing, and you are indeed part of the problem. If your so patriotic or so politically minded or just swear up and down about how good your country really is, quit being a hypocrit and do what you say it's all about. (no offense to anyone intended)

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SFOSOK

Remember Obamas solution to the economic problems?


Obama: Yes We Can!

Can what sir?

Obama: ... Yes We Can



uhh you already said that. Isn't there any plan to fix the economy before you get into office instead of just mixing what Dems and Reps want into a clustfuck solution just to make politicians happy though it is not economically sound?


Obama: Yes We Can.

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Judas

i beleive in "yes we can"


CHANGE!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sEwtKz3mUNk

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Falstaff

I believe that Obama says a great deal
I believe that Obama is presidient
I believe that the Media has annointed him more than Christ.
I believe that America is in for a rude awakening.
I know that Obama is an intellectual, a former senator and he is a Democrat
I honestly hope and pray he is successful because America has turned down a dangerous path beginning with our first Cold War presidents.
I find more rhetoric about Bush meaningless because history will be far kinder to the Bush presidency than what popular media today might reveal.
Ignorance of the facts, ignorance and and just pure cynicism for politics in general is more prevalent than and demonstrated understanding of America.
I raise a toast to anyone willing to believe in change and America, we are a great nation and a world leader but we have our faults.
To anyone that continues to deride America, our former presidents and our way of life enjoy your freedoms and successes and I will enjoy mine, but dont tell me you understand anything about America when all I hear are criticisms and bullshit.
I think lots of Democrats, and Europeans will find Obama is a clever organizer and perhaps for that he will be best known, not for the colour of his skin, his rhetoric or his friends in Hollywood.
I am not Anti Obama, I am anti bullshit, and there sure seems to be a great deal of that here..LOL
I would rather look back on the Bush years and hope and pray we dont have to face another asymmetrical war with another foe that is willing to destroy its own culture and kill innocents just to prove they are equally commited ideaologically towards the destruction of Israel, America or religious freedom.
If Obama can ensure that we stay on the path of growth, and econmic strength and lessen the impacts of change , which are going to happen anyway, then he has accomplished much.
I have been watching Obama and his ilk for a long time, and I am not surprised he was elected. What surprises me is the average person I talk to does not no anything about Obama save for what he or she read in a magazine or saw the television.
Maybe that is the way it is, but any president, including anyone that could have been elected but was not would have to agree that responding to change is the one defining aspect of a presidents tenure in office. I think most Americans simply want to continue with their lives, have a job and stay on the property ladder or pursue happiness as they see fit and leave government to the popular choice after election day.
I work in the UK every day and I sometimes wish my American counterparts take participation in government as fervantly as those I talk to.

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Judas

i'm fairly anti political.... but considering the state of things world wide.... it would be rather stupid to ignore it.

It's like crossing a busy 4 lane highway and catching that semi out of the corner of your eye and ignoring it.... well you can guess what happens next...

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Falstaff

its precisely the "head in the sand" type of politics that we suffer from.

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SFOSOK

YouTube - barack obama parody rap (funny as hell!!!!)comment on this

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Falstaff

ugggh...
I cant wait till Will Smith plays Obama.

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dawgXdenta

Lets hope its not another tear jerker, I'm tired of having my Manliness threatened

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RealityRipple

I won't get into details much, because I'd be sure to make quite a few enemies right off the bat, if I did. But I will say this:

Statistically, presidents with less political experience have done just as well, or better. This site gives some great information about how much experience has to do with it.

As for history being made; history will be made when no one even notices that our president's appearance is different from what past presidents looked like.

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dawgXdenta

Opinion Noted

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Judas

precisely.... it's becoming more often that the people with the resume tend to a worse job then those with no real history.... doesn't make them really that much more unexperienced in the know.


BUT


obama's ties are still highly questionable.

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RealityRipple

My personal spin on the whole experience vs leadership is that people who have been in politics for a while have already been bought and bribed, standing on the side of the issues which pays more. A new player to the political field is still up for grabs, and can try to be an idealist without getting punched in the wallet for it.

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Tinkerhell

I think you are exactly right. Anyone ever see "Man of the Year" with Robin Williams? I would LOVE to see a Pres Candidate that would do that. I think you need to be very intelligent, open minded and a creative thinker, conservative, charismatic, and honest. That's what we need in a Pres. Experience is not in that list. The Pres has a thousand advisors that are specialists in their fields to give advice. We need someone that isn't on the take, that has the countries good health as THE most important thing as the primary concern.

I've often had day dreams about somone like Warren Buffet or Bill Gates just handing over a billion or two in cash to me (or anyone at my "solve the worlds problems" breakfast crew ) and letting us run for Pres as an independant. Then you'd have the money to complete & get a honest message & platform out there. Problem is that you would never get Congress to cooperate with you. Most likely anyway. You could do it, but they would all end up hating & out for your head on a pike.

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Judas

Ron paul has just about all the interests that people want in on his mind and has been speaking it. Alot of controversy revolves around ron paul and how he managed to not make it to the finals considering the sheer amount of public backing he has.

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Judas

have a looky here..

YouTube - Unconstitutional Agenda - Obama's Same Old "Change"

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Falstaff

right now, Obama's lack of real experience, his racial heritage, which right now is much darker than reality and his annointed position in the new political enviornment will ensure that he gets his own chapter in the history books, like many other presidents popular with the mainstream liberal media. People have great expectations and he better deliver, because no matter which side of the political fence your on, everyone showed up to vote one day and he is our president now.
I do not believe all the hype, bullshit or media spin about any president. I believe he needs to show us results. His work in the 13th district in Chicago did move the south side towards improvement and his votes in the senate gained bi-partisan support based on his rhetoric, but the substance of his work is easily measured in the US Senate. He just has not been around long enough to establish the same credibility as his colleagues of the same vintage. What set Obama apart? I believe like Democratic Presidents before him, it is his abillity push the bullshit alarm and get government to finally smell what they have stepped in. If anything, like I have said before, he can unite to government and accomplish something then he has earned my respect, otherwisse he as you mentioned before, is just another president and a paragraph in our history books, and perhaps that is the way it should be. When America is not so preoccupied with colour, race, or sex then we can really move on.

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Judas

you forgot the 4th, which should probably be the first on the list.... money

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