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Old Jan 20, 2009, 06:52 PM   #1
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History is Made as Barack Obama is Inaugurated as American's 44th President

Barack Obama delivered a sobering assessment of where America stands and a hopeful vision of what it can become as he gave his inaugural address as the nation's 44th president.
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what an inspiring speech given by the US president, for the first time I am excited about the future because of an American president.

I wish you all the best Mr President
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i wish i had the same level of optimism
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i wish i had the same level of optimism
Why dude he is a very charismatic person and a very believable person.
Although am not a total idiot I do know that politics is still politics and that some promises will be broken at least he brings something which inspires Hope in people
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I missed the speech but saw the rest of the inauguration. America is going through some very tough times but without a doubt they have the best President and VP in there to get the job done. Is the deck stacked against Obama succeeding? Maybe, but there's no one better for the job and the entire world is behind him.

I can't tell you how great it is to see not only Americans standing behind their President but leaders of the world stumbling over themselves just to meet Barack Obama! That's the way it should be for the most powerful position in the world. Americans have forgotten what it's like to have a leader who is respected and admired across the globe; the very nations which used to mock the USA President now are inspired by him.

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Amen to that Omega, Bush yeeeuuuuuggghhhhh ! things are gonna get tough. Guess we'll finally start to see Americans loosing weight

Though the times are very sobering, the experts "scientists" are all saying we are heading for even greater global, economic, political, religious challenges than any time before.
We are actually heading toward our own extinction.

Brrrrrr! I'm not worried for me. I'm worried for my kids and yours. Its them who will live in that world ,not us them.

Somethings gotta change, somethings gotta give we cant continue to live like this.

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I really loved the speech. For the first time in my lifetime, I feel like America's a country I can Look up to, instead of the country I have to Suck up to.
He might not deliver on all his promises, and his people might not help him make those changes, but one thing is for sure, he's awoken in people a desire to see America (and the world) become a place of integrity and consideration. At the end of the day, its that desire that counts.
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I really loved the speech. For the first time in my lifetime, I feel like America's a country I can Look up to, instead of the country I have to Suck up to.
He might not deliver on all his promises, and his people might not help him make those changes, but one thing is for sure, he's awoken in people a desire to see America (and the world) become a place of integrity and consideration. At the end of the day, its that desire that counts.
that is exactly how i feel, its finally come true a USA that cares about the rest of the world and not and not its own selfish interests ...... well maybe
we will let time be the judge .
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And after you guys find out that all he's really capable of is giving "Pretty Speeches", then what?

He's an empty suit. He has no track record on the national/internationsl level, and what little bit he did on the State level was given to him by the party leadership in order to pad his resume.

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I don't wish him ill, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for him to save the world.
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And after you guys find out that all he's really capable of is giving "Pretty Speeches", then what?

He's an empty suit. He has no track record on the national/internationsl level, and what little bit he did on the State level was given to him by the party leadership in order to pad his resume.

In computer terms, you guys just bought a PSU with a gold colored case and flashing LEDs, and didn't bother to look at the specs just because it looks good.

I don't wish him ill, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for him to save the world.
He's been President for less than a day yet he's already inspired the nation more than anyone since Kennedy during the most difficult time since the Depression. I'd say that's a pretty good PSU
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Jeesh Buzzard, you're trashing the guy and he's not even had 24 hours in the seat, you've got to at least give him a chance. I'd at least give him some time, or have some basis before you discredit the guys job.

I don't think of him as a living god or anything but I like the guy and I'm hopeful he'll do the country right. It would be tough be do a worse job than the last guy.
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For me I don't think he will change the strategics of USA in its relation with other counteries , Change in faces doesn't mean plans does.

He may be counted as the first black person for the job but whatever Anan (UN) was too and he was like a reader for what US senators type for him ,( What can you expect from institute that run by American money on an American land).


To be fair I will hold my thoughts for a while till time prove or not and I hope to be wrong.
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Ha, an old favorite. I doubt Obama is going to give us too many of those, both halfs of his brain appear to function.

Too bad too, because if he doesn't do a good job, we'll have nothing to chuckle about.
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He's been President for less than a day yet he's already inspired the nation more than anyone since Kennedy during the most difficult time since the Depression. I'd say that's a pretty good PSU

a false sense of security and prosparity is far worse then giving someone the truth and a good dose of reality.

The guys eats rainbows and shits butterflies in the eyes of most people. How could this ever be a good thing?

I'm all for positive outlook, but obama back history and other ties are outright scary for lack of a better word.

And hopefully his truth of "change" doesn't MEAN to punish and enslave, cause there is NO freaking way the US is ever going to be able to climb out of it's hole it's in right now. Never ever if it keeps writing up bailout bills like it is, it only slows the enevitable end game down and make the end game result WORSE.

And really it's quite unfortunate, that people would rather ignore the truth of the matter and continue to live in a fantasy. They look at other people to fix the problems they are drowning in, and guess what, the people they are looking at are looking back at them expecting the same thing, and in the end it'll just fall apart because the extreme minority right now is screaming for a solution and trying to find one, and everyone else is looking at obama like he's got the ability to touch things and turn them to gold and write up new bills that'll sign away the debt the US owes everyone in the world right now.

Seriously people, you likely couldn't fathom the interest on what the US owes right now.
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I hope the guy delivers, if I was American he had my vote. Anything can happen now and 4-8 years!
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You mean something like this?

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What are you doing to save the world? Ask yourselves that before you judge.

If you are doing nothing then you and me are on a sinking boat critisising the captain while he gives stirring speeches.
Nevermind the speeches, what are you doing?

So long as we continue to ramble on about presidents and politics while we sit and watch American Idol, desperate housives enjoy our icecream and beer,
Then you know what let the world burn.
Because if we care and do nothing, we might as well not care at all.
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Please people dont say that you cant do nothing, please. Me and my family on vacation had to stay in the servents rooms because the hotels were for whites.
I heard bombs go off down the street from my home as the afrikaans version of the KKK unleashed their anger.
My little brother and sister will never know how that will feel.

The only power you have lies in your two hands.
Even if your sacrifice and hardwork brings little asuredly together our efforts will calms the storms.

but.......
We are comfortable, very comfortable,
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Re: History is Made as Barack Obama is Inaugurated as American's 44th President

His speech (formatting isn't the best, sorry):

My fellow citizens:
I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors. I thank President Bush for his service to our nation, as well as the generosity and cooperation he has shown throughout this transition.
Forty-four Americans have now taken the presidential oath. The words have been spoken during rising tides of prosperity and the still waters of peace. Yet, every so often the oath is taken amidst gathering clouds and raging storms. At these moments, America has carried on not simply because of the skill or vision of those in high office, but because We the People have remained faithful to the ideals of our forbearers, and true to our founding documents.
So it has been. So it must be with this generation of Americans.

That we are in the midst of crisis is now well understood. Our nation is at war, against a far-reaching network of violence and hatred. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some, but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age. Homes have been lost; jobs shed; businesses shuttered. Our health care is too costly; our schools fail too many; and each day brings further evidence that the ways we use energy strengthen our adversaries and threaten our planet.
These are the indicators of crisis, subject to data and statistics. Less measurable but no less profound is a sapping of confidence across our land - a nagging fear that America’s decline is inevitable, and that the next generation must lower its sights.
Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America - they will be met.
On this day, we gather because we have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.
On this day, we come to proclaim an end to the petty grievances and false promises, the recriminations and worn out dogmas, that for far too long have strangled our politics.
We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. Our journey has never been one of short-cuts or settling for less. It has not been the path for the faint-hearted - for those who prefer leisure over work, or seek only the pleasures of riches and fame. Rather, it has been the risk-takers, the doers, the makers of things - some celebrated but more often men and women obscure in their labor, who have carried us up the long, rugged path towards prosperity and freedom.
For us, they packed up their few worldly possessions and traveled across oceans in search of a new life.
For us, they toiled in sweatshops and settled the West; endured the lash of the whip and plowed the hard earth.
For us, they fought and died, in places like Concord and Gettysburg; Normandy and Khe Sahn.
Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.
This is the journey we continue today. We remain the most prosperous, powerful nation on Earth. Our workers are no less productive than when this crisis began. Our minds are no less inventive, our goods and services no less needed than they were last week or last month or last year. Our capacity remains undiminished. But our time of standing pat, of protecting narrow interests and putting off unpleasant decisions - that time has surely passed. Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America.
For everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act - not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth. We will build the roads and bridges, the electric grids and digital lines that feed our commerce and bind us together. We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology’s wonders to raise health care’s quality and lower its cost. We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil to fuel our cars and run our factories. And we will transform our schools and colleges and universities to meet the demands of a new age. All this we can do. And all this we will do.
Now, there are some who question the scale of our ambitions - who suggest that our system cannot tolerate too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage.
What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them - that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public’s dollars will be held to account - to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day - because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.
Nor is the question before us whether the market is a force for good or ill. Its power to generate wealth and expand freedom is unmatched, but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control - and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our Gross Domestic Product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on our ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart - not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.
As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals. Our Founding Fathers, faced with perils we can scarcely imagine, drafted a charter to assure the rule of law and the rights of man, a charter expanded by the blood of generations. Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience’s sake. And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more.
Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.
We are the keepers of this legacy. Guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort - even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We will begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people, and forge a hard-earned peace in Afghanistan. With old friends and former foes, we will work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat, and roll back the specter of a warming planet. We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.
To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society’s ills on the West - know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.
To the people of poor nations, we pledge to work alongside you to make your farms flourish and let clean waters flow; to nourish starved bodies and feed hungry minds. And to those nations like ours that enjoy relative plenty, we say we can no longer afford indifference to suffering outside our borders; nor can we consume the world’s resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it.
As we consider the road that unfolds before us, we remember with humble gratitude those brave Americans who, at this very hour, patrol far-off deserts and distant mountains. They have something to tell us today, just as the fallen heroes who lie in Arlington whisper through the ages. We honor them not only because they are guardians of our liberty, but because they embody the spirit of service; a willingness to find meaning in something greater than themselves. And yet, at this moment - a moment that will define a generation - it is precisely this spirit that must inhabit us all.
For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies. It is the kindness to take in a stranger when the levees break, the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours than see a friend lose their job which sees us through our darkest hours. It is the firefighter’s courage to storm a stairway filled with smoke, but also a parent’s willingness to nurture a child, that finally decides our fate.
Our challenges may be new. The instruments with which we meet them may be new. But those values upon which our success depends - hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism - these things are old. These things are true. They have been the quiet force of progress throughout our history. What is demanded then is a return to these truths. What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility - a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than giving our all to a difficult task.
This is the price and the promise of citizenship.
This is the source of our confidence - the knowledge that God calls on us to shape an uncertain destiny.
This is the meaning of our liberty and our creed - why men and women and children of every race and every faith can join in celebration across this magnificent mall, and why a man whose father less than sixty years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath.
So let us mark this day with remembrance, of who we are and how far we have traveled. In the year of America’s birth, in the coldest of months, a small band of patriots huddled by dying campfires on the shores of an icy river. The capital was abandoned. The enemy was advancing. The snow was stained with blood. At a moment when the outcome of our revolution was most in doubt, the father of our nation ordered these words be read to the people:
“Let it be told to the future world…that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive…that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet [it].”
America. In the face of our common dangers, in this winter of our hardship, let us remember these timeless words. With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come. Let it be said by our children’s children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God’s grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations.
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I like some of the speach.
Maybe even most of it.
But then most of it is nothing more than the well worded feel good hyperbole that one would expect.

What I have a problem with is:

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The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works - whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end.
We know it doesn’t work nearly as well as it could. No one needs to ask that question. Most of us believe it has been failing in many areas for several decades now.
We know it is FAR too big and cumbersome.
It’s also true that its duty doesn’t include any of the items he ticks off above.
Government is NOT supposed to find jobs, health care or retirement. Anyone who claims otherwise is not doing so based on the charter that the USA was founded upon. Perhaps Government should help to create an environment where those things are possible but it is not responible for them directly. I believe that PBO believes it is government’s job to do this.

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that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control - and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous.
Well since the whole out of control issue was/is caused by government manipulating the free market in the first place why not try staying the hell out of it…
News Flash: It won’t prosper long when you penalize the prosperous either PO.
To say that another way those that are not prosperous are those that have failed or at least not excelled. So you are saying you want to support and advance those who fail. That's a nice plan.

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on our ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart - not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.
Again Gov shouldn’t really be extending anything in the market to anyone. And it certainly shouldn’t be doing it to someone just because they have a willing heart. Hell, I got a willing heart but that doesn’t mean I can do anything worthwhile for the country if you give me 50 billion dollars…

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Those ideals still light the world, and we will not give them up for expedience’s sake
Then why did you work for 8 years with the Joyce Foundation to try & undermine, nay, destroy the meaning of the 2nd Amendment? Gotta call total hypocrisy on this statement.

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and roll back the specter of a warming planet
*rolls eyes* Call in Al Gore…

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To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect. To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society’s ills on the West - know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.
It worries me in general as to how PBO is going to reach out our hand and whether or not we are going to have it bitten in the process because he does it wrong.

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Again, not the place of our government to do this for another government. Tax the citizens less and let us do this through private efforts as should be done.

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For as much as government can do and must do
Again, the whole “must do”. The government needs to focus on what it was originaly empowered to do, not all the other things that PBO seems to think it “must” do.
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America is going through some very tough times but without a doubt they have the best President and VP in there to get the job done. Is the deck stacked against Obama succeeding? Maybe, but there's no one better for the job
Oh please. I'm pretty sure that I could do a better job than this guy given a few weeks practice with some Toastmasters execs...


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Though the times are very sobering, the experts "scientists" are all saying we are heading for even greater global, economic, political, religious challenges than any time before.
We are actually heading toward our own extinction.

You are dying also. Right now. As I type. What's your point?
We have been "heading for greater blah blah blah since we crawled out of the primodial ooze. This is inevitable the smaller our world gets, metaphoically speaking of course, and the more of us that are inhabiting it.
Extinction...Not really much anyone can do about this. I think the difference between what comes across in your post & my feelings are that I'm not too worried about something that is going to happen several thousand years from now... regardless of whether we are buring oil or running off nuke power.

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inspired the nation more than anyone since Kennedy during the most difficult time since the Depression
Inspired to do what?
I don't really believe this. He hasn't inspired anyone to do anything. He has impressed and dazzled people. And to be honest a large number (I won't say a majority but it's damn close) of the people he has supporting him are doing so for one reason. He's black.

Don't get me wrong, the fact that BO is the end result of a couple hundred years of struggle (mind you he was in NO way ever part of that struggle himself - he is just benefitting from what others have done before him; standing on the shoulder of giants like MLK & Rosa Parks for example) is an awesome thing. It is a singularly significant occurrence that America has it's first black (well half black) President.


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and I'm hopeful he'll do the country right
Subjective to what you believe is "right". I hope he does the "right" thing for the country also, but I have zero confidence that he will because everything he has espoused about what he wants to do is not what I believe is "right".
(I will agree that Bush really buggered it up at the end of his 8 years, and wasn't any kind of conservative during most of that time either)


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What are you doing to save the world? Ask yourselves that before you judge.

If you are doing nothing then you and me are on a sinking boat critisising the captain while he gives stirring speeches.
Nevermind the speeches, what are you doing?
What exactly are you talking about. Not being snarky here. Serious question.
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the major problem is that they turned the government into a business..... with the focus of interest in money or corporate related avenues. This kind of switch from "for the people" to "rape the people" is essentially it.

Words are all great and can bring hope no doubt, but it doesn't take much to recognize precisely what the people want to hear, and simply speak them like they were notes on a beautifully composed sheet of music.

I'm just hopeing that people will keep a good enough eye on him to KNOW what is going on at all times, so that when things are done that are good they are known, but when bad things are done, they are also known.
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And to be honest a large number (I won't say a majority but it's damn close) of the people he has supporting him are doing so for one reason. He's black.
No, it's because he's highly intelligent and appears to be the genuine article which is a rarity in politics. The fact that he's black is just a bonus (helps him connect with voters who were largely ignored). Though I'm sure many of the women support him because they want to bone him
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highly intelligent is questionable.... and appeances are extremely deceiving.....
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No, it's because he's highly intelligent and appears to be the genuine article which is a rarity in politics. The fact that he's black is just a bonus (helps him connect with voters who were largely ignored). Though I'm sure many of the women support him because they want to bone him


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What exactly are you talking about. Not being snarky here. Serious question.
I wasn't being mean or rude I hope everyone knows that.
You are the 1st person I've ever heard to say 1000 years. Dont you find it weird that all the scientists prophesy doom within the next 50 - 100 years. From nations/islands swallowed by oceans,
Diminishing forests, lakes and resources disappearing islands not to forget without the REAL prospect of world peace being a world standard we still have an arsenal of nuclear weapons at our disposal. not only that scientist are developing an "antimatter bomb" up to 100X more powerful than the best nuclear weapon today..Massive Lakes drying up, whole nations having no water to drink?Is that okay to you? Can it really be 1000 years at the rate we are going.

People don't allow your sheltered lives in the 1st world deceive you. If the world around you is sinking as it is in this day and age, so too shall you sink.
I don't want my people or yours to suffer thats why I believe ordinary people must find solutions and implement them.
But if you are inclined to remain comfortable then there is no hope

"The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to its close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences.” Winston Churchill.

We are no longer a species with bows and arrows only ,our wars scar the earth. The gluttony of the past cannot hope to match the gluttony of today. Our tools for getting resources are devastating to the environment and are but a temporary balm for our desires, but the wounds are long lasting.

We can and will have an impact whether we decide to sit and do nothing or actively work to solve these problems.
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For me I don't think he will change the strategics of USA in its relation with other counteries , Change in faces doesn't mean plans does.
I think that you need to read this and ponder what he is saying in there. BBC NEWS | Americas | Obama inauguration | Text and video: Obama inaugural speech
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(ok this is going off topic so I apologize in advance to the OP)

Dawg - I see a certain degree of what you are talking about and I have several perspectives on it. One of which seems to be pretty unpopular around here but is the most relevant to me so I'll mention it first and least and leave it at that. I'm a Christian, I believe that the world isn't going to end until the good Lord has decided to send Christ back to us. I have no clue when or how that is to happen but there will be nothing that we can do to accelerate or delay it. If Revelations is to come to fruition via global warming either natural or man made (which I don't honestly subscribe to) then I believe it's going to happen no matter what we do. Same with an "anti-matter" bomb or an asteroid from deep space. And also to be honest, the sooner that gets here the happier I would be.

Now with that out of the way I'll try to separate my religious beliefs from the rest of my perspectives as much as possible.

I said 1000 years because we, as a species have survived all sorts of calamities through the evolution of the world. Short of total global devastation (which I think will be the whole Revelations thing & thereby unavoidable) we will survive. Will some die if the seas rise 10 feet. Yeah. Can we stop the seas from rising? I don't happen to believe we can regardless of what I recycle at home or if I use solar or dirty coal electricity. Will the world respond and try to help as many people as possible when such a thing happens - yes. That's the lovely part of being human. We do tend to come together in such situations. That includes when whole nations lose their drinking water.

As far as what am "I" or anyone as an individual doing to help people whose lands are drying up or islands are sinking (which is a profound sort of comparison if you think about it) what can "I" as an individual do? Nothing. I can't grab a 5 gallon bucket of water & help anyone in a land that is turning into a desert. I can't grab my kayak and paddle & help someone that is knee deep in water on their island in the middle of the Pacific. What I can do for those types of people (that will matter) is donate my money, or if you are the right type of person your time, into an organization that can enmass help those people. That is the most efficient way of doing those sorts of things.

Now with that being said, I'm a frugal and conservative person. I would LOVE to have my home set up with a bunch of solar cells and generate my own energy. LOVE to I say. Why - it saves me money & trouble and allows me independent. I hate having to depend upon a line coming into my house & being charged for something that I can't really, independently verify I'm using. I would much prefer to pay for efficient solar cells that sit on top of my house & run my little world. Same for cars & gas and whatever else you can name. Until then I would also LVOE to have my power cheap. Right now that would mean nuke plates to generate it. I fully support, with my voice & vote, reaching to that goal. It's just an added perk that that would make some of the tree huggers happy; But that is not my objective.

More to the original point we were debating - I don't think ANY of that kind of thing is the responsibility of the US Federal Gov. Other than helping out some country in a calamity. I think we can, should, and do send help and support global efforts when bad things suddenly happen.

As far as bombs & military technological improvement. The bottom line here is that nothing you or I can do will really change that situation. Why you ask? Because our race is, literally, human. We are flawed. There are those among us, individuals & groups to the extent of being nations, who are, for lack of a more creative term - evil. They want dominion and control if they can't have that then they want destruction. That will never change. Again we are human. And given that fact then the rest of us, even if we don't really admit it, understand that reason, logic & compassion really don't work with dealing with that type of person. Only force does. It has been that way since the very beginning. When the first big burly bully of a proto-human decided to ignore the "social contract" and take his smaller cousin's dino chicken wing away the cousin had no option but to either become enslaved to the bully or pick up a rock. Only the tech has changed. We have not and I submit that we will not and perhaps even can not. Till then. I just want to be sure that the gang that is more or less the "good" guys have the best weapons. Preferably FAR more advanced than what the "bad" guys have.
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