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dawgXdenta

I agree with Judas, if the stock markets got us over 4 billion people living below the average middle class in the 1st world, oops i meant to say waaaaaay below, then supporting the stock markets is a waste of your and my time, dont believe me ask the people who lost their homes, better yet ask the 4billion people who have been living n poverty since the term "industrialization"

Africa will give you a unique perspective and many of you would not believe as you believe if you lived here for at least a year. By that I mean going around and seeing how people live.
Its even worse in south america, down right scary!

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Judas

My biggest question is WHY

Why are people so scared of changing the system they are in right now when it's CLEAR that it isn't working, and the more they try and MAKE it work, the more people suffer from it and the ones already suffering either suffer far worse OR die. Yet people insist on defending it like it were going to save thier life or it's what's keeping things together. I'm sorry, that so called glue your talking about holds things together as good as 2 south pole magnets, in retrospec, it actually repels.

Think about it, read about it, yes read some of the news and some of the government documents or what have you, YES keep a critical eye on it, but don't outright ignore the other sources that are around you. Quit sitting in the damn closet and actually explore the rest of the house. We've all been kept in chains, with the damn steel ball, yet no one seems to want to realize it. Quite protecting a system that continues to consume you.

The stock market will crash.. it has to, and with the bailouts it just means it'll slow it down but also means that when its time... it'll fall harder and faster then anyone ever could think.

And NO, ITS NOT A BAD THING, why do people think it's a bad thing for the stock market to collapse? Why do people think that currency haveing no value is a bad thing? It's only bad when the people MAKE it that way, they look to thier government which has done this to them as if they hadn't done it, and ask for help, to fix the problem, and there solution will likely NEVER been a true solution, it'll just jumpstart the same enslavement that has been occuring for eions. And likely someone will say "well if it's been like that for so long, why change it".... why change it.... wtf? Is this the whole "out of sight, out of mind" ordeal again, usually those kind of idiotic statements are made by those that aren't dieing.

Sounds fine when your neighbour is murder "oh glad it wasn't me, kinda unfortunate that it happened to them though... was a good guy" yes you very people would be so royally pissed off if it had happened to you. Specially your family.

I wonder how many soldiers out there, taking orders right now, KNOW what they are doing is wrong, obviously quite a few, but i ask, how many actually refuse to accept it and do things to counter those orders or what is happening.

There is thousands of soldiers right now going around talking to the people about how they shouldn't be in iraq, in those other eastern countries, how they were order to do things they ended up doing and regretting it, how they slaugtered inocent people. YET the news doesn't report it, and YET the people don't beleive them.

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Syndicate2083

wow, just wow.

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dawgXdenta

JUD u said so many things I agree with thus :

"sounds fine when your neighbour is murder "oh glad it wasn't me, kinda unfortunate that it happened to them though... was a good guy" yes you very people would be so royally pissed off if it had happened to you. Specially your family."

That mentality is only and will always be temporary. There is this complacency in humans that is infectious, E.g during the civil rights movement dont you think there were some people who we like ; why bother? racism will always be like there(I hear that even today! ). Or the women who would say , oh well that's just the way things are , men will always try to control us!!

People are so accustomed to something even when its downright wrong! They even try to put those who are trying to move forward down. Thank goodness the women's equality movement never stopped nor did the civil rights because of such people.

Shift to 2009 there are people who are ofcos benefiting from the system and getting bailouts and DONT want the system to change(even implemenmting more laws to make such bailouts easier)
Then there are the Sheep who are brainwashed by the media and the "education system"(which is another form of media) and they too DONT want change either.

Though lets look at the main things affecting the world today, wait; have been affecting the world but we were too fast asleep to realize it

pollution(all ecological problems)
world financial systems(poverty)
war(religious or otherwise)

you will find that the root cause to all these is selfishness in all of us.
We have made huge leaps in gender and racial equality, we have almoats completey eliminated cfc's and some forms of agricultural poisining are now banned.

Cynics and skeptics, u want to tell me thats not progress, that things will always stay this way.
Whats your definition of always anyways.
If we take space time which existed from the big bang even that isnt always. Because there existed something to make it go bang!

Being so pessimistic is no help to anyone, and like those blacks and women who said things will always be like this!
History has written nothing about them!
History has buried them.
So shall you too be buried and those who chose to come together and act! shall have their statues in the public places as our children look to the stars and marvel at those individuals as martin Luther king and mandela have ,as much as Al Gore is now a hero of the "save the earth movement"

with no war, no crime, no pollution and prosperity!

Do we choose to help them and us, or be sheep at this critical time in history.

Go to schools, give talks and lectures hold groups in ur neighborhoods for change.
Change hearts and minds, in due time the moement will be so large the goverments , religious systems sill be forced to comply, We are after all 6 BILLION compared to the few million who control US!

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SFOSOK

If black people do it, people will have to agree with it. Otherwise they are racist and not open minded!


This is how I can best describe the reasoning with how Obama got into office. And this is why the American public will worship his every decision. Even if it is to compound (not solve) our problems with our national debt and banking system.

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Tinkerhell

I just don't even know where to go with this thread at this point.
There are a few lines of excellent, intelligent comment. And then about two paragraphs of lunacy for each of those lines.

I'll just sit back with some popcorn for the rest of this one. hehehe

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dawgXdenta

Lunacy?

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dawgXdenta

Talking about the world trying to turn a corner and change for the better isn't lunacy its an attempt at trying to make things better.
Sitting down and doing nothing only compounds the problem.

Granted the solutions are not perfect as you or anyone would have, but at least they are an attempt.

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SFOSOK

Shut up man, I'm trying to derail this useless thread

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SFOSOK

Also, some food for thought.

When the only two people posting in the thread are in agreement the thread is useless.

If you guys want to "praise" each other, do it quietly behind a locked door

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Judas

the people that don't agree have nothing to provide for critical opposition, zero logic, zero worthwhile reason. Nor can they say otherwise about the fact of the matter in the first place.

i haven't posted really anything more in this thread due to that simple matter.... the people that want to ignore it, don't want the truth, will fight to conceal it even will continue to do so without really even knowing it in most cases..... that there is a fact....

just keep sticking your head in the sand and all will be well.... or so you thought when the sucker drops on you. Remember these posts when your walking to those camps that are saposed to "be for your own good, to save you" and also take acknowledgement of that FACT that the EXACT SAME BLOODY words and names are identical to that of what hitler and the others that followed him stated. The camps for thier protection, we all know now they weren't...... not in the long run, but it was a much easier way to get them to go willingly...

acknowledge the fact that those very camps were the first to make high use of flouride in the water, the true purpose of which makes one EASY to manage, less agressive, extremely hard for one to think up strategies or even have an impulse to fight back. Basically turning one into a dumb cow. And then KNOW... for a FACT that mostly united states, but other countries world wide have been dumping the same thing into your water supplies.. .claiming to be for your benefit.

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Tinkerhell

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Tell me that you are just yanking our leg here Judas.
You can't really be that much of a consipiracy therory fruit nut are you?

If you are serious then I stick with my last post (I'm outta this) but for a new reason - you can't argue with someone with that kind of mentality.
I'll take up the issue with you again after someone has been by to pick me up & place me or mine in one of those camps. That is, I'll talk with you about it in Heaven because I'll probably be dead after having shot the first one or two that try that without being prepared for some of the goodies I keep in my gun safe.

If you are just working the crowd here then again I cause it's funny.

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Judas

for christ sakes man.....

do your own research... go to your government websites hell even wiki has some sources and links to that stuff so you can better easily get a grasp of it..


officially BY LAW, they can take all your precious gold/silver or anything of real value that is a material..... just walk in and take it without a warrant... they can grab you and throw you in a camp.. and if you so much as say a "what/why" to them, they can outright shoot you in the head without no worries....

IT'S LAW.... written in countless bills, each one having some rather uneventful color to it when taken by itself.... but with the bills linking each other, a matter of 50 years of bills being passed, laws being passed, all interlinked in such a complicated mess of a web, that when all put together essentially spell out slavery.. and the best part about it all is, that essentially the people approved of it all without even knowing it....

look it up, i'm not going to bother linking anything if you or anyone else can't bother to lift a finger for thier own freedoms...

this isn't conspiracy theory, this is fucking serious shit, it's conspiracy FACT..... it doesn't take a brain surgeon to put the pieces together.

WE ARE THE frogs in the pot of water.... and the jackasses controlling the system have been turning the heat up over the past 50 years consistantly faster.... course linkbacks suggest hundreds of years..... the only problem is some people have been getting burnt and realized what's happening.

You've got Whistle blowers showing up everywhere.... officials .... sargents.... admirals and the like getting thier asses kicked out of thier orginal positions and pretty much curb stomped in the process... then smashing thier records all to hell to make them look non-credible. The media consistantly neglects to inform you all of what actually is happening, or purposely only gives you the information that will favor them...

It's not about beleiving this, it's KNOWING IT..... and if you want to continue to live in that blissful ignorance.... while it ills me.... i did the best i could at this time with what i have to better inform you. (not you specifically but you all)... And the worst part of it all is, when the true shit hits the fan, your either dead where your standing right when you realized it all, OR your doing that "acceptance" walk to your death. It'll be to late...

And it also ills me knowing that the few people that clue in while at these camps or on the way to them will try there best to break free from it, the other people that don't know will assist those assholes that will oventually kill that person OR just sit where they are and say to themselves "that isn't me, not going to worry about it"

I'm not going to take satisfaction at all in what will happen..... saying the old line of "told you so" ......

Do your research, listen to some of the real conspiracy nuts and then try and research it, there is extremes at both end, some are indeed crazy... some however may not.... and personally in doing so of researching this myself.... the picture it has so accurately painted is far beyond even my own posts of what horrors lay ahead if something isn't done about it.

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Judas

holy shit.

considerable amounts of the bailouts funds are being put towards developement.. but what they don't state is useless things like golf courses and various other recreational things...

when are people going to learn that doing something that is productive vs doing something that isn't.

It's like calling playing xbox360 work and doing physical labour that produces food not work?

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Tinkerhell

By law? By what law? Please give the #'s on them. I'd love to look em up. 'Fraid you'll have to be a bit more specific however than "BY LAW".
Short of an immanent domain claim on land - which I will grant has been abused at times & is BS when that happens - I don't I believe any law is in place that says "the man" can come in pick up my TV & walk out without the proper warrants & just cause.

Even if I'm manufacturing crack they've gotta have a warrant to enter my home legally. Unless they are invited of course... And even then authorities must be able to substantiate an arrest & subsequent seizure of property.

Are there 10,000 federal laws on the books - more than any law enforcement type will ever know of - many which are crazy? Hella yes. But they are still all supported by the foundations of the legal system itself ie. due process.

Patriot Act crap is off the chain in some places too. But even those which give the power to warrantless phone tap & such still have to have evidence before anyone is rounded up or property seized. They can't listen to you & me talk about the weather & then kick my door in at 3am. Talk about blowing up buildings & that might be a different story.


Grab someone & toss them in a camp?
By all means please provide examples of where this has been done?
Where are these camps you speak of?
Who are these average US citizens that have been corralled and imprisoned without due process, without a trial by peers, without a peep from anyone in the media or otherwise about it?



Agreed. The bailout bill, or what I like better "The Fund Socializm Now" act is a porkfest for Dem supporters and an effort to expand & maintain their voting base. Ain't gonna pass though. Not as is. Already too much negative screaming about it by the public. Now who knows what the next one is gonna look like....

I still say we'd make a really good start by taking every nationally elected official currently in office and publicly executing them on the Washington Mall with live 24hr broadcast on every channel.

Then electing a whole new set, with a mandatory term limit, and a variety of new rules for proposed legislation. Eventually, I pray, the American people will again realize that we are being destroyed by career politicians when we are supposed to be governed by our fellow citizens. Working folks that basically take off a decade of their lives to go & serve their country. Not unlike the military.

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Judas

as i stated above.... do your own research.... i can post links to sites that better lay out and even use government documents as sources...

Alot of people can claim infowars as a conspiracy theorists haven.... but it doesn't mean it's all infactual... actually i would like to look at the site as a unbiased media and news site.

www.infowars.com

they link to various sources... plus thier back history of previous documents that are interlinked.

It's a good start..... but not an end

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hob

Hello all,

I appreciate the warning post by Judas.

Yet there's something more sinister going on behind the scenes that the disinformation specialists don't want people to think about. Worldnetdaily news posted articles by Jeroam Corsi about an already setup government command and control infrastructure to bring Canada, the U.S., and Mexico into a type of North American Security and Posperity partnership; in other words, a North American Union, something similar to the European Union. Corsi got the info by filing via the Freedom of Information Act. So this is not just speculation by conspiracy theorists, although that's exactly what the disinformation specialists want people to think.

In the 1970's D. Rockefeller, along with Jimmy Carter and Breszineski (? spelling) founded the Trilateral Commission. My college history text had a quote from Jimmy Carter about the Trilateral Commission, which I asked the professor about and he went mum. But over the years bit by bit more information came out about it, but only in certain types of publications, like Foreign Affairs magazine, which who reads that anyway? Certainly not the majority of the public.

What I'm saying is that the documentation detailing what's going on in the West (and the world) is out there, but not in publications most here would bother to read.

When the Internet became more of a mainstay, the Trilateral Commission put up their own website too, and it didn't require registering to get the info like it now does. Their wordage is a difficult read, since those type organizational think tanks use their own double-speak anyway (phrases like "New World Order", etc.). But their plan is pretty clear, a "one world government".

When I was a member of the Rosicrucian Order back in the mid and later 1970's, their teachings had much to say about the concept of a "one world government". That's when I first learned about the "New World Order" plan. The Trilateral Commission position is a one world government system setup over three major world areas of control, the western, middleastern, and the Pacific-Asia group.

Does that working point to today's world financial crisis? I think it does, most definitely. The economies of the richer nations must be balanced with that of poorer nations to go into a one world government. If one considers where those poorer nations are today, a lot of them are in the Pacific/Asia theatre, and in Latin and South America.

There is a conspiracy, even as the strategy for world Communism is not dead either.

Anyone doubting that might want to read:

Proofs Of A Conspiracy - by British Mason John Robison (1798); (documents the discovery and operation of the secret fraternity called the Illuminati in 18th century Europe, and their influence with causing a schism within European Masonry and helping to cause the French Revolution).

Tragedy And Hope - by Carroll Quigely (Bill Clinton's history prof. at Georgetown University; Quigley himself claimed to be an 'Insider' and agreed with the plan, but didn't agree with why it had to be a kept secret.)

The Creature From Jekyll Island - by G. Edward Griffin (explaining the financial takeover of wealth of the American people by the Federal Reserve system, an illegal private bank established by the banking elites to control the U.S. monetary system.)

New Lies For Old - by 1960's ex-Soviet KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn (predicted fall of Berlin Wall per Soviet long-range strategy for takeover of the West, signalling the start of the third and last phase of long-range Communist strategy against the West).

The Naked Communist - by Cleon Skousen; written in 1958 (an FBI agent for 15 years until he retired to teach at Brigham Young University. Probably the easiest read to understand what the idealism of Communism is really about, and how the movement can assume different labels and names while working the same overall strategy against the West. Skousen outlined 45 points discovered from the long-range Communist strategy. Some of them are just now being implemented in the West.)


In those works is documented proofs of a conspiracy against the West, and essentially, against the whole world by control of it via the few.

hob

Something to consider about the concentration camp idea...

The U.S. during WWII gathered up U.S. citzens of Japanese descent and placed them in camps in California. That is factual history. So it's vanity to think our own government is not up to doing that kind of thing to anyone they deem might be a threat to them.

Our U.S. Constitution and Preamble of The United States says 'we the people' are the government. How true is that today? Those who really think 'we the people' are still totally in charge today might want to read from that list of books I outlined in my previous post.

I recall in the 1980's two boys who got lost in the Smokey Mountains. A huge rescue search began, including National Guard. The father of one my co-workers was deployed, and he was an officer that worked with Army Intelligence. The main thing I'll never forget with the radio news report when the two boys were found, was that they had to first be "debriefed" by the military.

Does anyone here know what that means to be "debriefed"? I do, from my ex-military background. It's usually done when exposed to classified information on one of the three main levels of classification, confidential, secret, or top secret.

What did those two young teenage boys see in the Smokey Mountains that required them to be "debriefed" by the military? A black bear maybe? I don't think so.

Judas

all it takes is a wakeup call to actually start digging into some of the available information and data...

Majority of this is stemming from the sudden MASS realization of what kind of BS took place on 9/11 and how seriously realistic questions are being asked because there has been no answers...

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