United States Bankrupt (as well as others..)

Judas

This is becoming alarm that nearly everyone is completely oblivious to what is falling around them.

US is about to or has approved nationalizing banks (which is completely absurd as the word nationalize has nothing to do at all with what is actually occuring). People are screaming about obama already doing great things and so far the biggest drum beat is related to "closing" down one of the "black operated" prisons... in which no one really bothers to read the actually information pertaining to it which clearly states that while the story is semi/true.... they neglect to mention the additionals.

whatever.

Still millions of people are sitting around not worrying simply because they haven't felt the ripples yet. Yes, YET... very few are going to get away with feeling a little wet at least.

And the whole system is counter productive as everyone that is feeling the heat, are figuring the best measure is to buy in bulk from places like "wal-mart". Now seriously it doesn't take even a nineth grader to figure out that if you don't support the smaller local stores that may be a little bit more expensive, it's going to just put more people out of a job. Everything been condensed into these huge corporations that are slashing wages and workers, in the pure interest of making the largest profit. Meanwhile the rest of them are asking for assistance, and in turn bailouts are produced, and where do they go? The whole stimulus is completely counter productive. Another bailout will solve the problem, my ass.

If no one can figure out the catch 22 of this conundrum, i'm sorry your not going to get very far unless your insanely lucky.

The government produces a bailout, the bailout doesn't go directly to any of the people really, you get a trickle down not worth noting, and in return every cent you essentially gotta for trickle down, has to go back to the government which just continues to revolve around the biggest toilet you can think of and only now is the sucker finally flushing.

I don't expect the canadian dollar to survive much longer, obviously the USD and other currencies are dropping faster in value.

Meanwhile as the USA continues to accelerate the imploding of itself. The UK is just about as dire circumstances and accelerating as well.

Very few are alive today now that actually KNOW what the crash of 1929 was like along with the droughts that followed that made it even more horendus. The few that do were always told "it would never happen".... sadly only a portion of those people knew better then to ever say anything like that. And the ones that are on top of it all are very much aware that the bubble back then only has a meer 16 years to expand and look at how much damage that did when it popped.... we've racked up 80 years of continueously expanding the bubble, and it's gotten so huge that it's pop is initially a slow start that speeds up as it falls around, the reprocutions are simply not fathomable at all for most. Yet the sit as stare at someone else to give them a hand. Or expect someone else to come up with a quick fix. Instead they get fed a line of crap which just makes the end result even worse, postponing it a little yes, but much worse end result.

Sure yes, i've been labeled as a doomsayer.... a crackhead... whatever.... idiot..... frankly i don't care, even when those idiots that call me that don't bother even attempting to verify anything, or they do it so incredibly lazily that they find "articles" that state otherwise. You don't have to really do much it's not hard to figure out.

If you give the government or bank 2 dollars and they hand you back 1 every time, it doesn't take long before you realize your money's not going to last all the much longer, you can only break that orginal 2 bucks down into pennies/cents before it's simply pointless. Ever bought anything for half a cent in the last 10 years..... doubt it.

I only post out of genuine concern for others. I'd suggest you guys wake the hell up if you have your nose knock out of joint just reading a little bit of this. Considering that the majority still insist on beleiving everything that the news provides you, it's still not going to put food on your table or get you a job, it likely never has and never will.

I highly suggest someone google or search the following:

IOUSA

YouTube - I.O.U.S.A.: Byte-Sized - The 30 Minute Version

just like that..... there is a 30 minute "shortened" version of the video google. Not to mention countless other things that have stated this.

Another good set of videos are:

Peter Schiff - this guy has been on the ball for AGES, could almost say a few decades..... He's been called just about every name under the sun, has been right about majority of all of it and on the right timelines, and to top it off, still considered full of shit and a doomsayer by the majority.

YouTube - Peter Schiff pulling no punches now - US BANKS are WORTHLESS! - "Flush them down the Toilet!"

Fabled enemies..... this video is just plain out worthwhile. If you can sit and watch countless hours of rediculious advertising between the shows and salvate when watching some of the more boring tv.... you can servive watching some of these.

Fabled Enemies (Super High Quality, full movie)

another good one

Zeitgeist.. the first part of the video explains a fair bit of the money related issues

Zeitgeist: Addendum

How bout this... it's priceless..

the world according to monsanto (highly important)

heres a 30 minutes shorty of it.. (recommend watching the full version)

The World According to Monsanto (30 minutes extract)

heres the full one i think..

Controlling Our Food



This isn't about telling you that you better beleive everything stated in the videos is the whole truth and nothing but... but it's food for thought, it should be considered at the very least... quite abit of it i've researched myself and confirmed it.. specially the monsanto stuff which is very alarming. I think it's only fair to get both sides of a debate and not the one sided garbage 99% of you have been force fed for years.

I'll let you guys chew on that for a bit. NO OFFENSE INTENDED by this post......

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RealityRipple

I don't mean to be rude, but what's the point in saying all this? Those who don't agree with you are just going to pull out a tl;dr, and those who do don't need to see it again. A useful post would be what to do about it. Do we invest in gold? Keep our money in banks to keep them from collapsing? Move to China?
As someone who has no interest in money, hates capitalism, and is disgusted with society, I see this as a hopeful smack in the face to what I can only call an aesthetic-oriented group of morons. It's not that big of a deal to lose comforts and excessive objects. It stings, but it won't kill you unless you're completely useless.

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Judas

just about anyone could suggest anything..

i've already made a suggestion of buying locally and not feeding the already cash cow giants that are further hindering the system.

Gold is considered the best bet, but it's kind of useless once people figure out that it's a considerably useless metal.... and isn't precious at all... even silver has better applications but is still worthless.... Your better off with investing in survival knowledge and application, producing your own food and making your own necessary materials/needs be it shelter or whatever.

The urban centers are the first to fly apart, they always are, it's the most constrated place you can be with the most amount of people that rely heavily on the infrusture, most people don't trust thier neighbours, grand looting and killing is the most likely to occur in these places, it's always been estimated that up to if not half of the populations in those areas would die within a relatively short period of time. And it's also quite difficult to grow your own food in pavement and cement (if your not lucky enough to have a front/back yard)

Canning, this will be a required skill if you don't live where you can have a year round growing season. Also salting if you want to keep your meat for extended periods of time.

If you have ties to relatives or friends that are on a country farm away from the major urban centers, be prepared and hope they'll house you.

Technology..... we don't HAVE to go back to the stone age as the technologies excist and could easily be put into practice that would allow us to continue using alot of what we have already have. Unfortunately they would rather have people die and enslaved then allow anyone to become self sufficient and make it a world wide popular product.

Make friends, the more people you know that have specific skills, the more likely you'll be able to do just about anything you can think of in any area or get work done.

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BlueMak

Is this a joke?

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Mousey

We aren't really feeling the ripples per se in the UK but there is a noticeable increase in the price of pretty much everything. The government needs to further reduce VAT prices to get people buying again, how are we supposed to re-start the economy if we have no money to purchase the very things the government wants us to?

I think the last pathetic excuse for a VAT Cut reduced the price of say a CD by about 13p which is absolutely nothing these days since people are making increased provisions for food. I've noticed the price of a can of coke at my local co-op has gone up to about 65p now that's up from 45.

The price of my train fares to college has gone up by 6% as well, it used to about £2.50/£2.60 to get to college with my student discount but that's gone up to £2.85 now, even these little increases really rack up for students.

I reckon the rule of thumb here would be make a huge VAT cut, prices will plummet on everything and people will be able to afford things more often and will pour money into the economy again, plus it will make the government more popular so it's a win-win situation if they do that.

To be honest i have no idea how my family managed before dad got his new better paying job but we're doing pretty much fine now even if food stocks look a bit worrying to me at the minute.

Oddly enough the flooring business is one of the least hit by the economy disappearing up it's own arse hole, my mate is an apprentice floorer and even though work has slowed down there's usually always something for them even if it's just repairing somebody's floor that's got a hole in it. There's unfinished buildings pretty much everywhere i look, a new ASDA is being built in my town and the frame's up but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere else now, i won't see workers for weeks at a time

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supafly

They reduce vat in things that People dont really need to distract them from finding out
that the prices on necessities have increased

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Tinkerhell

I think this is a bit alarmist.
Yes we (the USA and the World) have issues. Yeah, they are big. Do I foresee the end of civilation, wide spread global rioting & mad max style shyte going down? No. Not gonna happen. If it came to that the military would take over and even that is farsical.

Now do I agree somewhat with your suggestions for the individaul & the government - going back to a gold standard say, slashing government spending & "pork" projects, greatly reducing welfare type systems, greatly reducing national powers & turning them over to the state (as it always should have been) Heck yeah! And for the individual cutting back on buying from "China" aka walmart, maybe having the know how to plant some veggies & enjoy them, owning a gun and plenty of ammo, maybe a fishing pole too. Maybe having some solar cells or some other "do it yourself" energy sources. Sure. That's just good stuff to know & do period. As for the "city folks" well you people should have some kind of plan at least in the back of your mind. It's never a good plan to stack hundreds or thousands of times the people in an area of land than that same area of land could support directly if it had to. One of the reasons I don't live in a major metro area (although it is way down on my list of reasons). I've got goats, & cows & horses and deer a plenty in my locale. If a SHTF scenario ever comes down. I'm not too worried. People 100 miles north of me in Atlanta are gonna be screwed.

With that said. I ain't too worried about not being able to get my coffee in the mornings on my way to work, just like normal, in the next few decades....

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Judas

it isn't really intended as being alarmist.... it's only alarming if you never knew anything about it to begin with... and it's simply that, you can walk into just about any place and they haven't a clue what's going on and what's worse.. they don't care "because it doesn't affect me" which is a load of crap being they are going to feel the full affect of it.. and at that point, it's going to be a fair bit to late to get a grip.

The more people that are aware, the more likely the transition will be much smoother and better handled. It's when everyone gets the whole thing at once that mass histaria ensues. I mean there is already riots world wide that aren't being reported at all, or very little reported on them. Starvation is exculating.... Some of the laws that take affect later this year and in the coming years only makes it more disgusting what is happening.

The whole idea is to make it so that the people know less and less and turn into animals so they can walk right in with military force and "handle it"... not sure how many soldiers are going to like killing those they are saposed to be protecting..... i'm sure they'll come up with something.

Just in canada alone, RMs (which are similare to counties) have been informed OFFICIALLY of biochemical threats within the last few months, yet the people on these boards that received it have decided not to inform the people, this is WRONG. There reasoning is "we don't want to scare the people, and in all seriousness, what are they going to do about it anyways".... It's not about scaring the people, it's letting them know. Shit the news casters do enough scaring in the wrong way about the wrong things and completely leave the people oblivious to what's actually occuring around them.

I myself isn't at all worried really, just concerned about the mass population that isn't even trying to become aware, they just sit there with thier dull cow eyes and repeat the robotic daily job. Barely living.

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BlueMak

Man, north americans are too worried about an "end of civilization". Humanity survived for millions of years (or thousands depending on your beliefs), we will be fine. Unless something big that makes life impossible, happens, in which case, why worry? We are all going to die one day anyway.

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RealityRipple

I'm sure most people won't agree with me for some "moral" reason or other (honestly, what are morals but opinions on the completely relative-based concepts of right and wrong?), but the only solution I've come up with that would fix everything is the total removal of medical practice in all forms. The drug industry in particular has monopolized on life itself by letting those who evolutionarily should be dead survive, and by doing so, weaken humanity as a species, making them dependent on their products for survival itself. Evolution is grinding to a halt in most first and second world countries, and we're trying to spread it to the third world ones under the guise of morality.

Without medicine, human population would likely never have exceeded four billion, let alone reaching the near seven billion we're looking at within a few decades. We wouldn't be running out of resources because we wouldn't be consuming them at such an alarming rate. Pollution using inefficient technologies would be lessened, giving the fewer, slightly evolved humans alive more time to develop efficient ones if need be. Unimportantly, advertising in magazines and on television would likely be lessened to an extreme extent as well, since it seems nine tenths of ads these days are for drugs. Who knows, maybe people would be a little less self-conscious about random shit that doesn't matter, too.

[I wish I could make a nice graph, but this will have to do]

No medicine =
+less people
++less food production
+++less resource usage on food
+++less transportation of products
++less private transportation
+++less involvement in foreign countries for something as stupid as oil
+++better hope for a simple, useful public transportation system
++less dense urban areas
+++less disease
+++safer diseases that won't mutate so dramatically
+++less pollution
+++less consumption
+++less civil unrest
+++more civility and a better feeling of comradery (little communities and small towns are so much friendlier than big cities, and everyone knows it)
+++a cleaner planet, one would hope
+++less crime
+technological development can be focused on other areas
++efficiency for efficiency's sake (maybe just me being an idealist)
++faster adoption of new standards and protocols
++lower prices due to higher resources per person
+species developments
++natural disease resistance
++more responsive to change
++stronger, smarter, and faster (depending on other factors, this may not necessarily be the case)
+best of all, I won't be here since I can't live without Albuterol!

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Judas

worry?

concerned.

I would rather try to saves lives, and make sure everyone has a good life rather then ignore it... or know about it and not tell anyone about it, it could easily be the difference between being selfish or not.

People will die, that's a given, yes that's understandable, everyone knows that, but if you can assist in preventing it... then why not. It's not about causing worry, it's about being better informed so that you don't NEED to worry.

People are far better at making logical dicisions and take thier time when they are aware of what it going to happen, specially if they really dig into it and are enticed enough to learn about it.

Think of it like a massive school with only a few exit doors, theres a big difference between the results of a orderly, known fire drill vs an unexpected, real fire and someone yanking the fire alarm. Anyone should be able to recognize the sheer difference in how even the "adults" react to such an occurance.

If you know ahead of time how things are likely to play out, reading to every conceiveable circumstance, you can plan ahead, you can know what it going on and what is likely to happen down the road. Simply seeing something can send ones body into shock if they are not ready for it. This is evident in the 1929's when people were throwing themselves out of buildings to thier death.. and for what? why?

Trains were overloaded, people riding on the top of them and fighting over each other just to get out of the city and heavier urban centers and out on to the farmlands JUST to eat... what happened? Farmers walked in and started shooting them, and while for good reasons, it easily could have been better handled. It'll happen, no doubt, some idiot will cross onto some farmers land and dive into whatever might be growing there, only to end up shot dead due to thier stupidity to even bother walking in the farmers yard to ask and offer something for it. And your an idiot if you think money exchanged hands, NO, labour, the people that weren't shot and killed on the spot for it, were smart enough to offer to work for it all.

Considering the likely hood that aside from food being in short supply, so would fuels, making it likely far more difficult to farm, specially the big farmers with multi 10,000 arces of land, this is where all the urban hands finally get real dirty and do some real work.

I'm not worried, only concerned for others, and others shouldn't be worried, they should be concerned for anyone else they know of that simply doesn't have a clue either.

Keep your options open, get as educated in all these areas that there are available. Invest the very little amount of time you have free which could quite easily save your life as well as countless others in the process. The hope is for giving everyone a fair fighting chance, it can be done.

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FuNsTeR

not noticeable ??? everyday another big firm closes down or goes into liquidisation, thousands are losing their jobs every week, why cut vat when few people are more interested in paying off their current debt our economy was based on the credit card and easy credit .... the UK is even more fucked than the american economy and we are still to face the full heat of the crash which will last for years .... almost everything we buy is made in foriegn countries and with the collapse of sterling the price of everything will sky rocket

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Judas

while true yes, some medicals have produced the problem of overpopulation using our currently offered state of technology...

the problem doesn't exactly lay in the grounds of not enough resources, it's the problem of not being allowed access to the resources we already have at our displosal, and the proper use of it.

This is quite simple to comprehend because if we can more efficiently use the resources, that means less money to the corporate worlds, which means being counter productive in the way that the whole system hinges on. Great idea when it was practical, but we've extended ourselves FAR BEYOND it's orginal concept. It simply won't work anymore, and it's hurting us more then it ever could have before. Yet they incist on feeding this system till everyone suffers but the cash cows. It's further hindered and hurting us all when they BREAK the entire system by bailing out the people that are going under due to thier own mismanagement. This then sets precidents, as anyone else going under big or small will expect the same treatment, and the further down the rabit hole we go spinning around the disgusting toilet of a economy that so many beleive in... really it's more of a religion then it is logical or practical. Unfortunately everyones been brainwashed to just accept what the government tells us, even if it's full on lies and or half truths.

Canada is in a state that is nowhere near positive. The government is on the edge of turning into a dictatorship with the damn collation, i haven't come across a single person around my parts or talked to anywhere else in canada that actually thinks the collation is actually a "good idea".... Sure people aren't happy with the suggested cuts that harper has been suggesting.. but when you look at it practically, it makes sense.

Cutting of some of the government provided privilages in order to save the country from losing it all.

It's no different then cutting steaks out of the weekly supper as a meal to save a few bucks and pay off the bills to make ends meet.

Instead the collation wants to make the people forcefeed thier pockets and keep these other privilaged unnecessaries running until it buries everyone. Does that sound right?

This is why the US is so royally....for lack of a better word, fucked.

The entire world owns nearly half if not half by now, of the united states. And really with what obama is promoting (behind the scenes not broadcasted on tv), china will have an ever easier time walking into the states and saying "uh yeah, were calling your loans, but seeing as your broke as hell already, we'll take 15 of your states including texas... thanks mkay, luv you long time!"

If that doesn't happen this only leaves a few other options, obviously one being a new currency, be it called the amero or what, i don't know, but that currency has been planed for a few decades and only recently has a few samples been minted.

There are a number of possibilities, some of which can be used in tandem with each other.

For the time being i just keeping an eye on the stock markets, watching as many different points of view i can find on just about any subject i can and slowly building up a stock of supplies that reguardless of there being a massive meltdown and implosion or not, i can still end up using down the road.

Quit trying to live out your lives from paycheque to paycheque, it would be a good idea specially now to put some plans a few dozen years into the future for any circumstance. Just make you include what is considered the impossible or improbable, because it's more likely then most will think.

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Judas

heres a little more info on how royally screwed the us alone is.... just some added weight

look at this ship



ok now that you can see how rediculiously big it is.. larger then any US aircraft carrier... is able to diliver the largest quantity of china made stuff to the US in a meer 4 days... it's not only the largest.. it's the fastest.

Heres the kicker, every container is full coming into the us... but leaves 100% empty going back.

Anyone clue into the "trade" deficit?... yes it's true, if you are consuming more then you are providing, your in trouble.

and if every year the amount of money you make is considerably lower then that of what you spend, it's only a matter of time before someone goes "WAIT, whoa, hold on here this trend cannot continue".... yet this warning was made over 50 years ago and no one has listened really, and it only got worse when regan took presidency.

I've still been digging up stuff on the UK and other countries..... france already being screwed there isn't all that much to discuss on that front.

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Judas

Iceland topples thier own government..

shortly after the banks are nationalized and then go bankrupt as well as the government..

Credit crunch claims Iceland government after 'Household Revolution' - Times Online

seriously this isn't hard to understand, specially with what obama has planned that completely goes against everything he's stated in his campaign.

what happened in pakistan recently?

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dawgXdenta

Wow Judas I'v never heard you make this much sense ever(joke), u are on a roll

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Judas

this is also an excellent video to watch that goes a little deeper into the finacial system

The Gig Is Up: Money, the Federal Reserve and You.

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dawgXdenta

I respectfully disagree with ur opinion. True change starts with eduaction of the masses. I respect judas's attempt at educating us with what he has learned.
Moving to China would solve nothing. For over a hundred years the 1st world has built its pillars and golden roofs on a struggling 3rd world , a precarious and unstable foundation, not to forget a false capitalism which meerly protects the interested of a few wealthy people, forget nation people.

Unless a miracle would occure and the foundation were to become frigid and strong, its only a matter of time b4 1929 all over again and pal; China and india will suffer the same pains.(they already are)

What we can do is try to teach the upcoming generation our mistakes and restructure the world and the economy with justice and fairness in mind, the current gen is unfortunately doomed because those men and women in their ivory towes will defend their wealth, as they are already doing with the bailouts where people are sleeping on the streets.
To make things worse the masses are either ignorant, unwilling , or will protective of todays capitalistic structure.
making those who know prophets of doom, warning of impending disasters fully stopable but as I said in another thread

we are very comfortable, too comfortable.




(Mind boggling considering all our problems)

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RealityRipple

I didn't say we should move to China...

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The masses include every single American.


Every Single American Is Responsible If This Country Collapses
Myself included

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Falstaff

here here..
I concur....

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Judas

so hows the best way to resolve this?

point at the elected president as ask for the fix?

Obviously that's rediculious and absurd..

You can't ask a single man and his goonies to come up with a solution, as the only solution they can come up with is by screwing you people over again and again until it all falls down (finally)...

Save your money, get the hell out of the stock market, because you playing in a casino (it's gambling, pure and simple, quit playing it!)..... buy locally, quit buying from large companies, quit going to shit joints such as a fast food resturants and the like. Pay the premium at home, because if the people at home aren't getting paid, they are going to be in the same situation as you.

It's all related to long term planning, quit getting comfortable and doing the "feel good" right now stratedgy, you all are on a the drugs, it's an addiction to doing the feel good, cheap, etc. thing right at the now, instead of doing what would be the better option for you in the future. NO you cannot buy 2 $1 things with only $1... why do you insist on trying, and don't pull your credit out like it's actually worth something you idiot. NO YOU don't need a damn seadoo or snowmobile or motorbike, or anything for that matter. YOU DON'T need to drive to work every day provided there is mass transit system available, get your lazy ass out of bed sooner if you need to.

It all comes down to being lazy and selfish.

More people are hording everything they can instead of just willy nilly giving someone else that may or maynot really need it. Everyone should learn how to properly use the system, provide thier talents in the right way, freely, get fed freely, house those that need it, provide service for those that need it. There would be less stealing/raping/killing over such frivlious things.

Learn how to grow your own food. Clean your own water, be independant for the necessities.

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dawgXdenta

Massive collaborative effort by the masses, non governmental. non religious, all inclusive , beneficiary being the wellbeing of society not profit or fame or individual or company or group, However it being based on a non communist/socialist structure or design.
Economy Based on the basic ideal of capitalism which is: hard work/"earn your keep" at the same time care for those who are unable to do so(I repeat not communism )
(Redisign of capitalism for the people by the people, not for the rich by the rich as is the case today )

This will/should start as with an education program(non political), to reeducate the masses regarding the current economic culture/structure of society i.e it doesn't work.
Bridge the illusionary gaps between religions(Important!) as such people are hopelessly ensnared by the grips of old outdated ideologies ,they wont willingly want to participate until they can be assured that their gods are not at stake.
They are not at stake, we can still move together even if we believe differently but we'll have to see the similarities, perhaps all religions are just the same. There are obviously similarities between God 1 who you cant see and God 2 who you cant see, similarity being you cant see either of them (proven!)
The religious part would be the most difficult step however

Ahh and finally moral standard upgrade. Obviously non of this means anything if one of us is a warmonger and busy planning the demise of our goals.
Honesty, non thievery, kindheartedness, faithfulness loyalty blah blah...
At the core of all our ills you will find we lack these good qualities hence whether its a thug (who always happens to be black ) or a cooperate tycoon smuggling billions, wasting away resources of a third world country while employing the locals for peanuts,a lack of good moral standards is at the core to our problems,( in other words we really don't love each other or ourselves).

Think such a standard is not possible?
You are wrong, many tribes and nations have lived in peace and tranquility for some periods of time , yes thats right with very little crime or the rampant village idiocy we see nowadays
I read a book once about the travels of a pioneer from ze Deutshland(cant recall its name)
who remarked how funny it was that the locals were regarded as savages whereas there hadn't been any reports of theft or savagery till the dutch settlers arrived.
The people were peaceful and kind, living simple lives.

I think if we get this rolling it could take 20years, then again
maybe i should just finish off NFS prostreet.

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Judas

indeed we are the corrupted ones... not everyone else..

and until people recognize that... we are all screwed

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dawgXdenta

I don't understand why no one agrees with you, fine you don't believe in god(a problem 4 many people) but u make sense for the most part.

(don't let these compliments go to your head )

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Judas

who me?

i don't beleive in anything.... i only weigh what i can find, what i know.. and what i can tangeably get a grasp at.... First hand witness to it or talking, getting it directly from the horses mouth.

Balance the available evidence, testimony, coverups, lies, truths.... etc...... and make at that very moment, a logical conclusion.... if more evidence comes out later, you can make a more defined logical decision on the circumstances...

If all the people that are talking about bankrupts and whatnot are using witness testimony, Even the government own documents ... pointing out that FACTS of the matter...... meanwhile the news and governments either don't say anything or ignore it or even try to stifle it.... that's just more weight in favor of the people whistle blowing.

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dawgXdenta

good logic, wish many people would do the same

a must read book, Thief in the night (its about biblical prophetic rhetoric and the like draws an interesting conclusion about Christian prophecies(doesn't matter if u are one or not, I'm not!) )
Its way better than Davinci Code

Uses history and facts very logical very ordered and well thought out, its one of my top 10 books ,hands down.

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Tinkerhell

I'm all with you on the being responsible & self sufficient and aware of what is going on with your government but I'm sorry Judas, you're coming off like a nutter with this spewage:

Everyone getting out of the stock market would be the absolute worst thing that could possibly happen. You want mad max? That would do it. And it is anything but gambling if you aren't trying to make an overnight killing. Day trading is just that for most folks - gambling. But the market has proven that long term investment with a sound and diversified plan is a sure thing. Look it up. The facts are there.

and this

This is pure Socialist drivel. It's a society the equivalent of a unicorn. It's fantasy & it doesn't, won't and can't ever exist on a large scale as long as humans are involved. Now if you want to go start a commune with you and 100 of your closest friends; You might could manage it. But on a national scale you have to deal with the fact that too many humans are going to be .... actually ya know what. I'm not going to waste my time, again, shooting holes in socialism. Been done before & by better than me. Suffice to say that it hasn't worked anywhere in the world for anything more than a short time. It is always doomed to failure and keeps people downtrodden more than other systems.

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Judas

I'd take socialism over the current comunism that we are living in right now.


As for the stock market as a casino...... you should do a little more digging into it's past as well as look up derivatives related to it...... anyone thinks 53 trillion is a hard number to crunch hasn't even hit the tip of the problem.

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dawgXdenta

Partially agreed, Tinkerhell an immediate withdrawal would lead to a collapse. However a restructuring of the current economic system is necessary for humanity's own good!

However even though socialism/communism doesn't work neither does capitalism. Lets call a spade a spade ....

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