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Old Jun 9, 2003, 09:27 PM   #1
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This the way the world is going to end...

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/sci...eut/index.html

pretty interesting stuff, nuclear holocaust, bio engineered pathogen, and super volcano...yep...
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Old Jun 10, 2003, 03:18 AM   #2
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By 2020, an instance of bioterror or bioerror will have killed a million people, Rees contends.
Not if we have something to say about it. I have no doubt that there will be a tragic incident of bioterror in the future, but we Americans will do our damnedest to prevent it. The sleeping giant has is awaken, and we are filled with a terrible resolve.*



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* Contrary to popular belief, these words were never uttered by Admiral Yamamoto following the Pearl Harbor attacks. They were a creation of the 1970 film Tora! Tora! Tora!, which is widely regarded as the best Pearl Harbor film to date.
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I often delve in the Mayan Calender

they think the world will be reborn in the year 2024, and I of course have the Christian model from my bible and the teachings of my parents....terribly fatalistic in many respects...
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Not if we have something to say about it. I have no doubt that there will be a tragic incident of bioterror in the future, but we Americans will do our damnedest to prevent it. The sleeping giant has is awaken, and we are filled with a terrible resolve.*
Instead of assuming it's a terrorist attack, maybe it's a very large pharmaceutical factory blowing up. Also, just because biotech weapons are "banned" doesn't mean they aren't being "researched" by most governments. And yes, I believe that UK and US are "researching" them. Accidents do happen.
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That film any good? The latest Pearl Harbour flick with Ben Affleck was pretty poor imo.
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Old Jun 11, 2003, 04:15 AM   #5
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That film any good? The latest Pearl Harbour flick with Ben Affleck was pretty poor imo.
Yeah, Pearl Harbor was pretty poor. Why someone would make a historical movie with little basis in historical fact is beyond me.

Tora! Tora! Tora! is widely regarded as the finest film on the Pearl Harbor attack. I have to tell you though, I didn't watch the whole thing because I thought it was boring. In retrospect it may have been because I was tired though; I will have to give it another chance.
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Walter Lord

the author of "Day of Infamy" certainly never had a movie in mind when he published the book. He adapted numerous stories from american and japanese sources and his work is still regarded favorably by japanese people that I knew. I believe the movie was supposed to mirror the book just as objectrively. Like the writings of Tacitus or Pliny, merely meant to tell a story loosely based on numerous stories, like an overall treatise on the human experience within the framework of an event. And yes, even Walter Lord took acception to hollywoods creative license..but still a damn good movie...
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Have any of y'all watched Time Machine (2002)? Lovely movie. It has a glimpse at what the end of civilization could be.... forgot the year though but it's in that area. It happens when the colonization of the moon goes bad and its orbit changes. It even breaks apart, but doesn't shower the globe in meteors. The oceans go haywire and everything. It even forwards in time over ten thousand years in a real nice CG effect to show how the planet fixes itself as well as how humanity survives.

Worth a rent!
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isnt that a christian movie?

I am from a christian family and have a simliar perspective...I enjoyed Megido, did you see it?
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Uh, Christian movie? No, I don't think it is since it was in theaters and not one of those "Christian" channels. It's basically a movie adaption of the famous book The Time Machine by H. G. Wells. Although I haven't read the book (I'm ashamed, really) the movie is quite nice.

I don't really like those "Christian" channels on TV, so I haven't seen anything they've aired...
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tora tora tora!

great movie! got a digitally remastered version on dvd a while back, really nice job. i think as far as naval battle movies go the only one better is 'in harms way' and that is really close.
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good movie, though substantially different from the book. if you want to get a better idea of what the book was like then without reading it(a very good read), then watch the original movie. it is fairly close.
actually the time was 100,000 yrs. did not catch that until the 2nd time i saw it. which is good, because 10,000 was not enough time for every thing that happened.
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Globilization and Global Warming

I think we human beings are a cancer on the face of the earth. We are killing Mother Earth. The very atmosphere we breath is not free from man made pollutants, and pollution has spread from pole to pole and saturates the very water we drink. The world is running out of clean drinking water now. Food, genetically engineered or not cannot keep up with the pace of population growth. Even with wars, disease and enforced population regulation, the world is running out of ariable land to grow crops on. We are pushing native species out to raise cattle and crops, disrupting the very food chain that sustains life and overfishing the seas...what is next? There is a predictable time line for the eventual exhaustion of fossil fuels, but not before what lays in the ground as fuels becomes airborne and is dissoved into our water table. Glaciers are shrinking and the earths temperature is rising, these can only lead to dramatic changes in our weather, and our lands and seas will be affected. I know this will not happen in our lifetimes, but it will affect our children and those that inherit the earth from us...what a legacy....
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I enjoyed Megido, did you see it?
Megido is basically a ruined city in Israel. In ancient times, it would have been referred to as "The Hill of Megido" or "Harmegido." This is, of course, where we get the term Armageddon. It is difficult for me to envision any circumstances that would lead "the princes of the world" and their armies to congregate in Megido.

But when it happens --I know not how-- that would be a good time to be afraid. :P
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In the context of "end of the world"

As the product of a conservative christian family all the events that play on endlessly in our media, and the insight fueled by my own suspicions clearly point to events that have developed in accordance with the teachings of my faith. But I will not become fatalistic, nor dwell on the events as they fall into place. It has all been forseen, and the fidelity to the written scripture is eye opening. I remain still optimistic, that the end of the world is a subjective matter. I cannot blame my muslim or hebrew brother for fearing the end of the world as they know it..because it is in their teachings as well. Human beings cannot exist without faith and the higher power as we know, I hope cannot allow us to destroy ourselves or our world...
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Ya, i studied the book of Revelation for quit some time, and its very interesting...but as the written word says, only he who now lets will let.. till that what needs to be taken out of the way is taken, then and only then will the world see its end. Well the end of this age i mean. lol i love prophesy
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because all that I have learned has come to pass and all that I fear is yet to come. I forsee a false peace between Israel and Palestine, and the marriage of Russia and Syria in a compact of military power...
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False peace...yes he will bring false peace. So Fallang how long have you been a Christian? You also seem to be well learned. lol im a high school drop out.. but not something im proud of. Well, i get by
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since I began to see

after the first gulf war...rotting flesh, burning oil and diesel evaporating in the sand. America has tremendous power, absolutely incredible power, We haven't exercised it yet...Hiroshima and Nagasaki and New Mexico were the catalysts for change...Time is running out for the world that we know...
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Great, its good to see a fellow brother here on these boards... i dont come here much, but i like this forum. Seems there are a lot of good people here and they are very very understanding...Its hard to find a forum where politics and religion can be discussed in the same tread. but this forum might be an exception.

So keep the faith... and may the Almighty bless you and keep you.
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just about everyone I meet here on the site are good people, bad ones and weeners don't last too long, ha ha....I believe what values we bring to the site fall under the context of ideology, but hey we can contribute right? Scan the political forums, pretty interesting stuff and don't hesitate to start a thread of your own...take care...
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Re: I often delve in the Mayan Calender

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they think the world will be reborn in the year 2024, and I of course have the Christian model from my bible and the teachings of my parents....terribly fatalistic in many respects...

Ihmmmm Nayan rebirth prophecy...neer heard of that one. I always thought that the Mayans just predicted the end of the world, because all of their calanders stopped in like 2006.


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As an aside, any Armeggedon death prophecy with a definate date never seems to take into account the fact that Constantinople abruptly changed the year, when he convereted the Roman Empire to Christianity. As a result, our current years are really about 6 years or so behind (as it it should be 2009 & not 2003)
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even the mayan calender could be flawed as well, base on our limited understand....I am watching the Jaguar gods..
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I think we human beings are a cancer on the face of the earth. We are killing Mother Earth. The very atmosphere we breath is not free from man made pollutants, and pollution has spread from pole to pole and saturates the very water we drink. The world is running out of clean drinking water now. Food, genetically engineered or not cannot keep up with the pace of population growth. Even with wars, disease and enforced population regulation, the world is running out of ariable land to grow crops on. We are pushing native species out to raise cattle and crops, disrupting the very food chain that sustains life and overfishing the seas...what is next? There is a predictable time line for the eventual exhaustion of fossil fuels, but not before what lays in the ground as fuels becomes airborne and is dissoved into our water table. Glaciers are shrinking and the earths temperature is rising, these can only lead to dramatic changes in our weather, and our lands and seas will be affected. I know this will not happen in our lifetimes, but it will affect our children and those that inherit the earth from us...what a legacy....
Sounds about right to me Jeff. Mankind isn't much better than a virus, a pestulance against the Earth... If we were a bunch of locusts the recommedation would be to spray them to at least try to control their numbers.

However I think mankind is far more likely to destroy himself long before the world ever ends. The world has been around for 4 and a half billion years (yeah I know some crazy types think its something like 10,000 years - but all I have to say to that is learn some basic science - and in particular learn something about carbon dating, them try telling me exactly how an irrefutable physical constant (a law) can't measure time accurately) and in that 4 1/2 billion years man has only been around for a tiny proportion of that. A good analogy I once read was if the amount of time the Earth has been around could be measured as a 12 hour clock, man as we know him emerged at about 1 minute to midnight. So if man's time on this Earth passes at 1 minute past midnight that will still leave a lot of time for something new and different to emerge. I don't think intelligence is inevitable, but I don't care. If the ultimate expression of man's intelligence is his own destruction and the destruction of many of the natural wonders of the world, then intelligence itself is overvalued.

Not a very cheerful view I know, but then again its not a very cheerful topic heading.

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Man is simply another predator, the most succesful one to be exact. Our behaviour has nothing to do with "cancer", and may be related to that of a virus; even ecology , I read somewhere (an article on AIDS in a serious magazine), that new viruses tend to be very "virulent", but later developments become more "friendly" - to preserve the host and thus themselves.

Too bad for our dreams of being "special", looking down on all the other living beings (and abusing them), and "preserving" the planet, and protecting nature in condescendence; we're simply a part of nature, and frankly, we don't need to worry on pandas and such. Some species live on, some other disappear, we can do our best to "save" some, but we don't HAVE to, it's a matter of choice, not responsibility; and ultimately, it's a matter of our own survival.

This arrogance has it's hideous peaks, whole species extinct because the rich like to dress in their furs, or flowers being grown just to be killed and their dead remains being offered - as being beautiful. But ultimately, this is merely ridiculous, and while we arrogantly have opinions in the line of "the world is a show", it only turns to vaudevil.

No, we're not a disease, we're just another species, what makes us "special" is our narcissism, our preocupation with how we look; if nature is a scene, our role is the bourgeois gentilhomme. Too bad we're the only species with a sense of ridicule - there's noone there to laugh at our performance but ourselves.
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Thanks :)

And don't rub it to your eyes either, because the deadly yellow snow crystals might deprive you of your sight (temporarily).
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The Slime....

I'm The Slime
I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little had changed
I am the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious
With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get
Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime oozin' out
From your TV set

You will obey me while I lead you
And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you
Don't got for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled
It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks..
Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video
Oozin' along on your livin'room floor

I am the slime from your video
Can't stop the slime, people, lookit me go
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Old Aug 18, 2003, 07:40 AM   #30
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Here's what'll happen from now until 3000AD: alieans come and destroy our cities. We rebuild like in medival times. 100 years later, they destroy the cities again. We rebuild with futuristic cities. We kill the aliens.
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