Obama: "By August 31, 2010, Our Combat Mission in Iraq Will End"

CDsDontBurn · Mar 6, 2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

we'll see..

and no.. it should NEVER be the lesser of two evils.... you've already made your decision if you work on that disgusting idea.... you may as well just slit your own throat.

You have a choice.... and it's not the lesser of the 2 evils.... if you genuinely think that neither of them are worthy... why in the hell did you vote for either of them. You've got a 3rd option, that which most people don't even think about, or some that don't want to even excersize which i find just outright pathetic. That's to vote for neither and register it as a non confidence vote.

...well, i could have voted for ralph nader of the green party or Allan Keys of the American Independent party and "throw away my vote" if i wanted to.

fact of the matter is, I as an American cannot talk shit about politics if I am for or against a particular politician and/or their ideas if i don't even vote at all. I voted, so I am here.

SeraphicSorcerer · Mar 6, 2009, 02:42 AM

I love the fact that we're bashing a president that's been in less then 2 months, and trying to seriously UNFUCK 8 years of shit. Not to mention George Bush Got like 6 months of fucking suck his cock-time, Where as OBAMA is getting judged before his ass even warmed up the Oval Office chair. You guys that bash him without knowing the facts of everything really piss me the fuck off, and as a VETERAN of both Afghan and IRAQ, you're damn right I will tell you what the fuck is on my mind. If you want to bash the potus, then you better have a better fucking idea.

It's going to take a bit of time, a lot of patience and a change from the status quo, I'm actually more pissed with Nancy Pelosi, I wish she would shut the fuck up and go away. She's the fucking moron. I'd rather have Sarah Palin then her, and that's saying something.

This country needs to change its psychology of short term profit, and remember long term gain. For the "depression 2.0" to get over itself.

Here's what I love, Corporate America
"We're not making as much money, fire people"

Okay, Now you spread this over 50 corporations you lose about 1.6 million jobs for the first 3 months of 2009 alone, and now you've got less people spending money because you fired your workers. GOOD JOB, way to think about the long term.

Morons. typical, fucking morons.
A downs syndrome, Autistic, Cerebal Palsey (SP?) person could run half of these corporations better. What the fuck happened to Economics 101?

CDsDontBurn · Mar 6, 2009, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SeraphicSorcerer

I love the fact that we're bashing a president that's been in less then 2 months, and trying to seriously UNFUCK 8 years of shit. Not to mention George Bush Got like 6 months of fucking suck his cock-time, Where as OBAMA is getting judged before his ass even warmed up the Oval Office chair. You guys that bash him without knowing the facts of everything really piss me the fuck off, and as a VETERAN of both Afghan and IRAQ, you're damn right I will tell you what the fuck is on my mind. If you want to bash the potus, then you better have a better fucking idea.

It's going to take a bit of time, a lot of patience and a change from the status quo, I'm actually more pissed with Nancy Pelosi, I wish she would shut the fuck up and go away. She's the fucking moron. I'd rather have Sarah Palin then her, and that's saying something.

This country needs to change its psychology of short term profit, and remember long term gain. For the "depression 2.0" to get over itself.

Here's what I love, Corporate America
"We're not making as much money, fire people"

Okay, Now you spread this over 50 corporations you lose about 1.6 million jobs for the first 3 months of 2009 alone, and now you've got less people spending money because you fired your workers. GOOD JOB, way to think about the long term.

Morons. typical, fucking morons.
A downs syndrome, Autistic, Cerebal Palsey (SP?) person could run half of these corporations better. What the fuck happened to Economics 101?

QFT dude! seriously. it couldn't have been said any better than this!

Judas · Mar 6, 2009, 04:26 AM

meanwhile the government is expanding itself..... creating pointless jobs...

so what's being resolved... all the long term solutions have been ignored and still are.

Tinkerhell · Mar 6, 2009, 04:49 PM

Seraphic - What part of anything BO says he wants to do makes you think he should get any time in office before we bash him? You sound like you might be a relatively conservative person so why do you think we should give him any chance when everything he does is against conservative traditional American capitalist values?

I personally don't think his "little spending jag" that my great grandkids are going to still be paying for deserves to be given any chance. I'm not looking at anything short term. The piss poor market right now just tickles me pink - I've got 18 years till my planned retirement date and I'm pouring as much of my money into my 401 as I can. At some point in that next 18 years the market will be way back up and I'll be in great shape. You think pouring bad money after worse money into banks & major corps that can’t run their way out of a wet paper bag is smart? NO company should ever be so big that a state or nation can’t let it fail. Let the auto makers close their doors, sell everything off to the highest bidder who will then build cars that are better and cheaper and without the BS overhead imposed by UAW. That’s who is significantly responsible for the auto industry collapse as it is. You think telling all these private industries what they can & can’t pay anyone is the job of the government? Hella no it isn’t. If a companies board of directors and stockholders think a CEO should get some “golden parachute” then that’s those folks business. If they do that stupidly then they deserve the hit they will take from it.

BO is trying to tell us that government can run business better than private entities can. BS. If gov would just got out of as much of our life as possible everything would be 1000 times better.

You think what BO is planning to do to heathcare is a good thing? Oh yeah cause the government is SOOOOO good at running anything. You think he's not going to raise taxes to pay for all this spending he is going to do? You like the idea of giving relief to all the jackasses that got themselves into homes that were 3 & 4 times what they could possibly ever afford while other folks are making payments every month like good little boys & girls & getting bent over and F’ed without a thank you for it.

Oh, how bout his lying? What happened to no pork and totally open review of everything before any voting happens. Yeah that lasted what two weeks – until the FIRST significant bill came up for vote. Then that shit went right out the door.

BO is doing horrible things and planning to do worse. Why give him a chance? If he was trying to do something good or even neutral I'd be all over giving him a chance. But as far as I'm concerned this whole thing is like being gang raped in a prison shower: "Just give it a little while, after the 3rd or 4th guy that slides you the salami I'm sure you'll like it."

You can give that a shot & see how things are going to turn out, but I think you are a twit for even considering it. We need to be vocally opposing everything the man tries that is not conservative and fiscally responsible. The ONLY way I might cut you any slack on your mindset is if you believe that BO might do a complete 180 and start acting like someone who doesn't want to turn America into a Socialist State. Then I'd just call you a complete F'ing idiot of an optimist cause that ain't gonna happen either. Look at the man's history - go do a little research (and not the type of nutter reserach that Judas always refers to) see how the man's Congressional voting record (what tiny bit of it exists) looks like. Take a look at what his policy history in Chicago is. Look at his involvement with Acorn (don't get me started with why that group of criminals isn't all behind bars) and the Brady foundation (You were in the military right? Hopefully you believe in & support the 2nd Amendment). Take a look at how much BO HATES guns and start thinking about what he's going to try & do to those Rights once we get somewhat over the economy issues right now. That probably will come after he tries to socialize healthcare too. But rest assured an assault on the 2nd will come and in a multitude of ways.

So in summation I say again. What the hell gives us any indication that we should give him a chance?!!!

SFOSOK · Mar 6, 2009, 06:09 PM

He spending too much money on basically "Band aids" for our economic problems.

What I can tell his goal are so far.

1. Make the blind masses happy

2. Make the media happy

2. Make the politicians happy

Why do you think the very few things he has done have all been in the public eye? He is not making a decision until after he makes sure the cameras are there.

A pay raise to the military is a horrible idea. There was never a problem with their pay. This is the same mindset that we should pay black people because of slavery and segregation.

Also speaking of Guns (tinkerhell)
Here is what we have to look forward too.

300% sales tax increase on ammo
Serial numbers on every bullet that needs to be registered in your name at purchase.

SeraphicSorcerer · Mar 6, 2009, 06:42 PM

No problem with their pay?
Maybe you live in some fantasy land, the only reason military pay is even reasonable is because of the benefits, medical, housing, food. Otherwise no it's not. You can't count sea/combat/hazard/biohazard pay, because that's not base.

Of course he's spending money, the Government is apparently the only one with any kind of money, Most of the loans are gauruntees anyhow, no actual money changing hands. He's doing what the government does every recession, spend money, lower taxes. (The taxes hes raising for the top 5-10%) Doesn't matter.

As for gun control, gun/ammo control is at it's core, a good idea. However everyone is entitled to own a firearm, the problem is criminals circumvent the system. Therefore harming normal americans, as noted by the seargent that can't own a gun even though he's still in the military, it's awesome.

He's inherited pretty shitty problems, that he didn't cause, and he has to deal with an inept congress, he's doing okay so far. If the economy recovers, especially the financial sector then what should actually happen is a surplus of the money we put into them. It's going to take some serious mindset changes of people who act like everything is one man's fault right now, to actually improve.

Wall street can cry about Obama all they want, they're half of the fuggin problem.

Judas · Mar 6, 2009, 07:58 PM

How in the hell do you solve a finacial problem by spending more... NO government has EVER spent it's way out of a economic situation without being handed shit under the table.

the government has no money... have you completely lost your mind? The government IS THE PEOPLE.. if the people are BROKE, the government can't do shit about it.

I'm not sure i would even want to live in the fantasy world that your describing.

Blame the previous president all you want, but most of all the same people are still sitting in the oval office with the president making the same suggestions.... Obama made the choice to "hire" the same damn people with the same damn agenda....

From the day he took office.... what he does from that day on denotes exactly what he'll be accountable for... and thus far.... there is far FAR more questionable, irresponcible..... idiotic decisions being made.... then anything "good"

Tinkerhell · Mar 6, 2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SeraphicSorcerer

Of course he's spending money, the Government is apparently the only one with any kind of money, Most of the loans are gauruntees anyhow, no actual money changing hands. He's doing what the government does every recession, spend money, lower taxes. (The taxes hes raising for the top 5-10%) Doesn't matter.

As for gun control, gun/ammo control is at it's core, a good idea. However everyone is entitled to own a firearm, the problem is criminals circumvent the system. Therefore harming normal americans, as noted by the seargent that can't own a gun even though he's still in the military, it's awesome.

He's inherited pretty shitty problems, that he didn't cause, and he has to deal with an inept congress, he's doing okay so far. If the economy recovers, especially the financial sector then what should actually happen is a surplus of the money we put into them. It's going to take some serious mindset changes of people who act like everything is one man's fault right now, to actually improve.

Wall street can cry about Obama all they want, they're half of the fuggin problem.

Don't take this the wrong way but you need to go do some self educating.

The government doesn't have ANY money. The governement is so far in debt that it is, literally, beyond the human mind to comprehend. What the US gov is doing is simply and literally making more money out of thin air. Just print that shit up. That's what they are doing. In the claimed expectation of getting it back from you & me (and our kids & grand kids and great grand kids) in the form of taxes.

BTW, BO isn't lowering taxes for anyone. He's raising them all around.

Gun control is a good idea: I agree. If you live in a fantasy world where restrictions & "controls" could do anything except empower criminals. But since we don't, gun controls do nothing except make criminals out of folks that refuse to be stripped of the Natural Right of self defense & self protection.

Inheritted problems: admittadly. And in a discusion about BO who caused those problems originally is irrelavent. His congress however is not something he is having to "deal" with. They are mutually supporting each other. In short, IMHO, they are willfully driving this country into a depression in hope of creating a vastly increased voter base for the democratic party to keep themselves in power forever. And unless the conservatives in the country get it in gear he will succeed.

He's doing ok so far? You are quite out of touch...

Judas · Mar 6, 2009, 10:30 PM

heres an interesting video about what has occured approximately around the end of november....

YouTube - 11:11 Glen Beck Special Presentation

A recent report essentially states that with the recent obama "rape" package, the hockeystick now has another kink in it which makes it nearly verticle.... which is surprising because looking at the graph.... it doesn't look like it could get much more verticle then that.. (but apparently it does)

comp_ali · Mar 9, 2009, 08:58 AM

Don't worry the FBI knew your plans to take him out and decided to

The Back-Up SUV for Obama's New Limo - Video

Neshi · Mar 9, 2009, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

heres an interesting video about what has occured approximately around the end of november....

YouTube - 11:11 Glen Beck Special Presentation

A recent report essentially states that with the recent obama "rape" package, the hockeystick now has another kink in it which makes it nearly verticle.... which is surprising because looking at the graph.... it doesn't look like it could get much more verticle then that.. (but apparently it does)

Funny the guy says in the history something like that has never happened before, but there are several countries which printed money which led to hyperinflation.
Do you think the US will follow in the footsteps of the hyperinflation Germany had in the 1920ies?

Quote:

Germany went through its worst inflation in 1923. In 1922, the highest denomination was 50,000 Mark. By 1923, the highest denomination was 100,000,000,000,000 Mark. In December 1923 the exchange rate was 4,200,000,000,000 Marks to 1 US dollar.[14] In 1923, the rate of inflation hit 3.25 × 106 percent per month (prices double every two days). Beginning on November 20, 1923, 1,000,000,000,000 old Marks were exchanged for 1 Rentenmark [14] so that 4.2 Rentenmarks were worth 1 US dollar, exactly the same rate the Mark had in 1914.

they had stamps worth of 250 billion marks or more, money was used for wallpaper because it had lost so much value.
The picture reads:
1 nov. 1923 cost
1 pound bread: 3 billion
1 pound meat: 36 billion
1 glass of beer: 4 billion

Judas · Mar 9, 2009, 05:44 PM

i don't think.... i know the USD will fly apart at the seams if the current irrisponcibility continues

and it's all preventable..

worse yet is that it's intended

and to boot, i wouldn't doubt the introduction of the Amero

Mar 6, 2009, 02:42 AM	#32
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Re: Obama: "By August 31, 2010, Our Combat Mission in Iraq Will End" I love the fact that we're bashing a president that's been in less then 2 months, and trying to seriously UNFUCK 8 years of shit. Not to mention George Bush Got like 6 months of fucking suck his cock-time, Where as OBAMA is getting judged before his ass even warmed up the Oval Office chair. You guys that bash him without knowing the facts of everything really piss me the fuck off, and as a VETERAN of both Afghan and IRAQ, you're damn right I will tell you what the fuck is on my mind. If you want to bash the potus, then you better have a better fucking idea. It's going to take a bit of time, a lot of patience and a change from the status quo, I'm actually more pissed with Nancy Pelosi, I wish she would shut the fuck up and go away. She's the fucking moron. I'd rather have Sarah Palin then her, and that's saying something. This country needs to change its psychology of short term profit, and remember long term gain. For the "depression 2.0" to get over itself. Here's what I love, Corporate America "We're not making as much money, fire people" Okay, Now you spread this over 50 corporations you lose about 1.6 million jobs for the first 3 months of 2009 alone, and now you've got less people spending money because you fired your workers. GOOD JOB, way to think about the long term. Morons. typical, fucking morons. A downs syndrome, Autistic, Cerebal Palsey (SP?) person could run half of these corporations better. What the fuck happened to Economics 101? __________________

Mar 6, 2009, 04:49 PM	#35
Tinkerhell Not all fairies are nice. Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 989 Rep Power: 44	Re: Obama: "By August 31, 2010, Our Combat Mission in Iraq Will End" Seraphic - What part of anything BO says he wants to do makes you think he should get *any* time in office before we bash him? You sound like you might be a relatively conservative person so why do you think we should give him any chance when everything he does is against conservative traditional American capitalist values? I personally don't think his "little spending jag" that my great grandkids are going to still be paying for deserves to be given any chance. I'm not looking at anything short term. The piss poor market right now just tickles me pink - I've got 18 years till my planned retirement date and I'm pouring as much of my money into my 401 as I can. At some point in that next 18 years the market will be way back up and I'll be in great shape. You think pouring bad money after worse money into banks & major corps that can’t run their way out of a wet paper bag is smart? NO company should ever be so big that a state or nation can’t let it fail. Let the auto makers close their doors, sell everything off to the highest bidder who will then build cars that are better and cheaper and without the BS overhead imposed by UAW. That’s who is significantly responsible for the auto industry collapse as it is. You think telling all these private industries what they can & can’t pay anyone is the job of the government? Hella no it isn’t. If a companies board of directors and stockholders think a CEO should get some “golden parachute” then that’s those folks business. If they do that stupidly then they deserve the hit they will take from it. BO is trying to tell us that government can run business better than private entities can. BS. If gov would just got out of as much of our life as possible everything would be 1000 times better. You think what BO is planning to do to heathcare is a good thing? Oh yeah cause the government is SOOOOO good at running anything. You think he's not going to raise taxes to pay for all this spending he is going to do? You like the idea of giving relief to all the jackasses that got themselves into homes that were 3 & 4 times what they could possibly ever afford while other folks are making payments every month like good little boys & girls & getting bent over and F’ed without a thank you for it. Oh, how bout his lying? What happened to no pork and totally open review of everything before any voting happens. Yeah that lasted what two weeks – until the FIRST significant bill came up for vote. Then that shit went right out the door. BO is doing horrible things and planning to do worse. Why give him a chance? If he was trying to do something good or even neutral I'd be all over giving him a chance. But as far as I'm concerned this whole thing is like being gang raped in a prison shower: "Just give it a little while, after the 3rd or 4th guy that slides you the salami I'm sure you'll like it." You can give that a shot & see how things are going to turn out, but I think you are a twit for even considering it. We need to be vocally opposing everything the man tries that is not conservative and fiscally responsible. The ONLY way I might cut you any slack on your mindset is if you believe that BO might do a complete 180 and start acting like someone who doesn't want to turn America into a Socialist State. Then I'd just call you a complete F'ing idiot of an optimist cause that ain't gonna happen either. Look at the man's history - go do a little research (and not the type of nutter reserach that Judas always refers to) see how the man's Congressional voting record (what tiny bit of it exists) looks like. Take a look at what his policy history in Chicago is. Look at his involvement with Acorn (don't get me started with why that group of criminals isn't all behind bars) and the Brady foundation (You were in the military right? Hopefully you believe in & support the 2nd Amendment). Take a look at how much BO HATES guns and start thinking about what he's going to try & do to those Rights once we get somewhat over the economy issues right now. That probably will come after he tries to socialize healthcare too. But rest assured an assault on the 2nd will come and in a multitude of ways. So in summation I say again. What the hell gives us any indication that we should give him a chance?!!! __________________ Stupidity should be painful if not terminal. Darwin for Sainthood!!

Mar 6, 2009, 06:09 PM	#36
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Re: Obama: "By August 31, 2010, Our Combat Mission in Iraq Will End" He spending too much money on basically "Band aids" for our economic problems. What I can tell his goal are so far. 1. Make the blind masses happy 2. Make the media happy 2. Make the politicians happy Why do you think the very few things he has done have all been in the public eye? He is not making a decision until after he makes sure the cameras are there. A pay raise to the military is a horrible idea. There was never a problem with their pay. This is the same mindset that we should pay black people because of slavery and segregation. Also speaking of Guns (tinkerhell) Here is what we have to look forward too. 300% sales tax increase on ammo Serial numbers on every bullet that needs to be registered in your name at purchase. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Mar 6, 2009, 06:42 PM	#37
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Re: Obama: "By August 31, 2010, Our Combat Mission in Iraq Will End" No problem with their pay? Maybe you live in some fantasy land, the only reason military pay is even reasonable is because of the benefits, medical, housing, food. Otherwise no it's not. You can't count sea/combat/hazard/biohazard pay, because that's not base. Of course he's spending money, the Government is apparently the only one with any kind of money, Most of the loans are gauruntees anyhow, no actual money changing hands. He's doing what the government does every recession, spend money, lower taxes. (The taxes hes raising for the top 5-10%) Doesn't matter. As for gun control, gun/ammo control is at it's core, a good idea. However everyone is entitled to own a firearm, the problem is criminals circumvent the system. Therefore harming normal americans, as noted by the seargent that can't own a gun even though he's still in the military, it's awesome. He's inherited pretty shitty problems, that he didn't cause, and he has to deal with an inept congress, he's doing okay so far. If the economy recovers, especially the financial sector then what should actually happen is a surplus of the money we put into them. It's going to take some serious mindset changes of people who act like everything is one man's fault right now, to actually improve. Wall street can cry about Obama all they want, they're half of the fuggin problem. __________________

Mar 9, 2009, 08:58 AM	#41
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: Obama: "By August 31, 2010, Our Combat Mission in Iraq Will End" Don't worry the FBI knew your plans to take him out and decided to The Back-Up SUV for Obama's New Limo - Video __________________