Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt

Iria · Mar 19, 2009, 03:16 PM

While 13 states have passed laws allowing medical marijuana use, federal law still prohibits it. During the Bush administration raids were made and people arrested, even if they were in compliance with state law. On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said such raids would stop, as long as those involved were in compliance with state law.
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scipioafr · Mar 19, 2009, 05:27 PM

Good news on the road to legalization

IvanV · Mar 20, 2009, 01:20 PM

You have some serious issues in your legal system if a state law can be in conflict with the federal law. Shouldn't any state law in conflict with the federal regulation be automatically void?

[hobo]eclipse · Mar 20, 2009, 02:08 PM

think of the abortion laws. original intent was to let the states govern themselves.

how much money is made off the restriction of pot? how much would be lost if you were "allowed" to toss some seeds to the mother?

Judas · Mar 20, 2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IvanV

You have some serious issues in your legal system if a state law can be in conflict with the federal law. Shouldn't any state law in conflict with the federal regulation be automatically void?

no, each individual state overrides federal law..... federal law actually is prohibited as it breaks the agreements original laid out when the country and states were created.

this is why countless states now are declaring thier soveirgnty "AGAIN" so that the feds can't dictate what they are going to impose for laws such as gun bans and the like....

IvanV · Mar 20, 2009, 08:39 PM

So... The United States practically do not have sovereignty on the territories of their states since the federal law needn't apply on the state territory?! It's kind of like the early feudal system, the nobles are king's vassals, but they are the masters on their land. Weird, although I suppose that it somehow works.

Tyrsonswood · Mar 20, 2009, 09:06 PM

It almost sort of works......

But it doesn't really

scipioafr · Mar 20, 2009, 11:13 PM

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."

"The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States."

Original intent from the Federalist papers #45 by James Madison

IvanV · Mar 20, 2009, 11:39 PM

That's nice, but I think that a society should have a unanimous view (in the legal sense) on certain things (though that view may change through time). That is, certain things, which represent moral dilemmas, should be considered either right or wrong at a given time (things like marijuana, euthanasia, prostitution and gambling are what I have in mind). I have a feeling that having a situation like that, where something can be illegal in one part of the country and perfectly legal in another, blurs the line between what is right or socially acceptable and what is wrong and creates a feeling that anything goes as long as you can get away with it.

Tyrsonswood · Mar 21, 2009, 12:23 AM

The thing with marijuana is that it is, for all intents and purposes, illegal... it's medical use is what is in question. Some states have allowed it and others haven't... those that have allowed it even have their own rules as to Who, how much, and where they get it. In some cases the Feds were busting people with legitimate prescriptions from reputable doctors as if they were drug dealers... in other cases people were mis-using the whole "medical" aspect and using/distributing with purchased presciptions that their physical situation didn't warrent. I think the feds are basiclly just going to let the states deal with the confusion. Like "you sort it out, we can't be bothered anymore"

Judas · Mar 21, 2009, 05:55 PM

actually the each state has been fighting for the right to disallow the feds from rolling in so they could make their own laws again..

and it's ilegal in one state and not ilegal in another kind of laws have been around for centuries. Right from traffic regulations down to land ownership up to business related. It's only been recently where the feds have been imposing thier own restrictions across the board without state consent.

So essentially the states themselves have been asking for "Can we PLEASE sort it ourselves"

scipioafr · Mar 21, 2009, 07:42 PM

States rights are one of the cornerstones of the United States, it's only weakened by the federal income tax, under which the states are beholden to the fed for much needed funds for everyday operations. The fed thereby tacks on restrictions attached to receive the funds.

Mar 19, 2009, 03:16 PM	#1
Iria DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 7,275 Rep Power: 76	Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt While 13 states have passed laws allowing medical marijuana use, federal law still prohibits it. During the Bush administration raids were made and people arrested, even if they were in compliance with state law. On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said such raids would stop, as long as those involved were in compliance with state law. ____________ Source: SNAFU-ed

Mar 19, 2009, 05:27 PM	#2
scipioafr DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 80 Rep Power: 11 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt Good news on the road to legalization

Mar 20, 2009, 01:20 PM	#3
IvanV HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,709 Rep Power: 104 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt You have some serious issues in your legal system if a state law can be in conflict with the federal law. Shouldn't any state law in conflict with the federal regulation be automatically void? __________________ Feed the porkers and don't touch the buttons!

Mar 20, 2009, 08:39 PM	#6
IvanV HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,709 Rep Power: 104 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt So... The United States practically do not have sovereignty on the territories of their states since the federal law needn't apply on the state territory?! It's kind of like the early feudal system, the nobles are king's vassals, but they are the masters on their land. Weird, although I suppose that it somehow works. __________________ Feed the porkers and don't touch the buttons!

Mar 20, 2009, 11:13 PM	#8
scipioafr DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 80 Rep Power: 11 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State." "The operations of the federal government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State governments will here enjoy another advantage over the federal government. The more adequate, indeed, the federal powers may be rendered to the national defense, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favor their ascendancy over the governments of the particular States." Original intent from the Federalist papers #45 by James Madison

Mar 20, 2009, 02:08 PM	#4
[hobo]eclipse ...just bummin 'round Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,691 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt think of the abortion laws. original intent was to let the states govern themselves. how much money is made off the restriction of pot? how much would be lost if you were "allowed" to toss some seeds to the mother? __________________ know your enemy who is beyond the law? Last edited by [hobo]eclipse; Mar 20, 2009 at 04:03 PM.

Mar 20, 2009, 11:39 PM	#9
IvanV HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,709 Rep Power: 104 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt That's nice, but I think that a society should have a unanimous view (in the legal sense) on certain things (though that view may change through time). That is, certain things, which represent moral dilemmas, should be considered either right or wrong at a given time (things like marijuana, euthanasia, prostitution and gambling are what I have in mind). I have a feeling that having a situation like that, where something can be illegal in one part of the country and perfectly legal in another, blurs the line between what is right or socially acceptable and what is wrong and creates a feeling that anything goes as long as you can get away with it. __________________ Feed the porkers and don't touch the buttons!

Mar 21, 2009, 07:42 PM	#12
scipioafr DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 80 Rep Power: 11 System Specs	Re: Finally, Federal Raids on Medical Marijuana Dispensaries to Halt States rights are one of the cornerstones of the United States, it's only weakened by the federal income tax, under which the states are beholden to the fed for much needed funds for everyday operations. The fed thereby tacks on restrictions attached to receive the funds.