Judas

no... no one should relie on a captain.... but everyone wants choice for themselves and to pave their own way, yet are to lazy to get off their asses and do the work necessary for it.... they'd rather elect someone to try and do it for them, and yet expect nutrality with the hope of making everyone elses dream come true.

This in itself is cause for undeniable failure, it's flawed.... it promotes corruption and failure. The whole political system is nothing but a growing storm on a beaches edge, every wave rising and falling, the next always larger then the previous, and oventually everything on that beach is going to be swepted away.

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Falstaff

very poetic Judas
I just read that Obama wont deal with the automakers.
LET THE FREE MARKET RULE!!!!

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Kazeko

PREACH IT BROTHA.


Well since we're getting a bit esoteric...

I'm not so Platonic (I mean that in a philosophical sense) about Democracy. I believe Democracy is the political dimension of the word "Freedom." The problem is that most of humanity hasn't developed much beyond adolescence. (Reference, C.G. Jung, Man and His Symbols)

I'm not sure that the populace, as plebian as it is, is capable of handling the burden of Democratic process, or the Economic dimension of the word "Freedom" which is Laissez-Faire Capitalism (Free Markets)... yet.

But the only way they'll learn, is by exposure. A chick falls out of it's nest many times trying to learn how to fly.

Humanity, however, can't fail, in this premise anymore. We've become too accustomed to freedom, in the affluent world.

Plus, look at it this way. If humanity dies out (as Judas believes, I, personally don't think it's physically possible, but that's a whole load of Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas) as a result of politics, it means one thing.

We survived Religion.

On the other hand, if we fail because of religion, then it means we survived Politics.

Either way, I'd say we did pretty well.


Edit: BTW, The only fundamental separation between Socialism and Fascism, is a free market. Otherwise, the two terms are the same. My reference here, would be Mein Kampf.

Falstaff

we will survive democracy as well..
all things are worthless unless you work for it.

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Judas

i don't think humanity will die out..

i just think alot of people are going to suffer and even more people are going to die due to the inactions of the many.

We'll go on in some form or another no doubt

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SeraphicSorcerer

Obama is not the sole "leader" of the government, Honestly, If there's 2 people I want out of office, I want Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid gone, and a few others. That said At least Obama is trying *different tactics*, I respect him, and I think some of his plans ARE working.

The bank bailouts were largely so our "credit based society" did not completely collapse and cause a bigger catastrophe then what did happen.

I am glad he is finally shutting the Big 3 down, (However it will affect over 2 million jobs if both chrysler and GM kick the bucket, however they need to innovate, or die, that is the only free market philosophy that truly makes free market great... I wish it would happen to a few other industries (Innovation that is)

the one thing I am genuinely sick of is the fact that companies post profit but because they aren't "good enough" they *STILL* layoff employees and therefore contribute to the economy we are in by causing more unemployment, therefore less money spent into the economy to create jobs in the first place.

I am really getting tired of the Media, they distort Everything, especially fox news. etc. Obama's Europe speeches were refreshing, except for his end all nuclear devices which was like, okay superman. Other then that, It's nice to have a leader trying to read, to bad we've dug into beureacrocy at a disgusting rate.

This country is also not a true "democracy"
It's a democratic republic, BIG difference.
Our checks and balances are not being enforced, and that's the true problem
Also Bush spent more money then I've ever seen on Wars that have gone from bad to worse, and Obama has the "pleasure" of trying to budget that too.

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Falstaff

Give me examples of Obama's "plans are working". After 100 days, the only thing I see working is a great deal of Obamanism and spin. I want him to be successful so America can be successful, however I am not convinced. He will have just as much trouble attempting to iron out problems that have plagued four administrations as well as his call to "change".
Accepting responsibility for his errors and mistakes is part of the job.
I am not convinced by his speechs, his photo ops or the endless stream of people that claim that he is something entirely different.
He is a politician..
wait till he has had the reins for one year, then spin his successes and faliures please
enough bullshit about what he wants, what does Americaa want?
We dont f**king know that is what the problem is, and it just isnt going to get better.
I hope he is never tested by any aggression, because you will see his true colors then. It was disasterous for more than one recent presidency.
This president will not be measured by his colour, his sex or his politics, but rather by what he actually accomplished, and I am still waiting.

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Judas

Obama has continued to setup for a even larger and more disasterly failure

btw.. it's each individual states elected personel that are responcible for what occurs in the long run.. and quite for some time.. they haven't been able to do the job or haven't been doing it period. The few that are trying to do the job..which is a meer few, are getting black listed due to it.

The president is the end all really, he is intended as a representitive for the whole, but he was never intended to lay down the rules for all on a whim by his own house.... But because people have lost touch with what america was orginal founded on, the rules and regulations that were in place to protect them from essentially tieranny has been slowly eroded to the point that everyone thinks a president is responcible for everything, a single person.... with a few jackass "minions" that actually tell the president what to do like a bloody puppet.

Seriously though, reguardless of how you look at it... puppet is indeed a proper way to compare it.

Anyways, until the people get a clue, quit being obamanoids/sheeple..... things can't get any better when the current and the last considerable number of administrations have been cramming the cyanide down your throught for years. Even previous presidents, specially some of the more famous ones such as even JFK made it quite clear of what was happening...... and people ignored it, misunderstood it.... or haven't even heard/read what he as well as others have been talking about before either being taken out or blacklisted.

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