Bush vs Bush

Dom · Jun 16, 2003, 06:22 AM

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JavaFox · Jun 16, 2003, 09:55 AM

I don't have RP installed, but looking at the filename, I already know what it is. The Daily Show is indeed an awesome show. I think it is quite unrealistic, though, seriously speaking, to expect a president to act the same before and after 9-11. America changed after that.

Falstaff · Jun 16, 2003, 11:58 AM

Except perhaps Rumsfeld. The attacks against the USA further galvanized the need to squash the AL QUAIDA network, something Clinton avoided doing for two terms..

Dom · Jun 17, 2003, 01:17 AM

It's not about Al-Quaida, Osama Bin Laden or 9/11/01. It's about Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Problems started with Iraq 9 years before 9/11/01 and now 2 years after.

And, I don't care if you say theres a link, because, we went to war with Iraq because they supposedly had WMD and supposedly posed a threat towards America and our Allies, Israel, mainly.

Yes, 9/11/01 chaged many peoples lives, and people opions may have changed afterwards, but, it didn't change mine in one way.

America wanted to help Iraq, fine, many people were suffering under Saddam's rule, I don't deny that. Many people suffer in parts of Africa, from militants fighting over diamonds, which, in one way or another find their way to America. Why don't we help them? Because they have no WMD and pose no threat? Or, is it because they have no oil and America already gets their diamonds?

Falstaff · Jun 17, 2003, 04:59 AM

Pres. Bush didn't invent the data, it actually started with Nixon, even though the rumours that Iraq was buying uranium from africa, the CIA debunked it, but refused to consider the information useless, but that CIA directer died in office and his secrets died with him. Each succesive administration has dealt with the same issue, in terms of a threat, appeasement was the first choice of course, till Hussien double crossed us. The CIA help Hussien when he was an assasin, and I often wonder if it all started there, you know, deciet, misinformaiton, because it very nearly caused hussiens death, but he fled to Egypt, what a strange arrangement. But in answer again, to adnauseum, WMD did exist in some form prior to GW1, I was there man, Hussien used gas, Hussien used missles on Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, his ballistic missle program was advanced. He was working on biological agents, he declared that he destroyed them, but where are they? where are the records? He wanted nuclear technology and was aggresively pursuing it, and the Al Samoud missle would have given him the range. The fact that Hussien could easily destablize the middle east with a hint of awesome power, attack a nieghbor and invade a nieghbor, or threaten other OPEC members so frequently that he wasn't taken seriously anymore, makes me wonder why he was tolerated by his nieghbors for so long.

JavaFox · Jun 17, 2003, 05:57 AM

Dom, you've posted a very reasonable post, but it very much is about 9-11. Simply put, American politics can no longer be understood unless it is examined within the context of 9-11. While the US has been having trouble with Iraq for almost a decade, the modern attack plan (as planned by Rumsfeld) did not hit paper until our Towers fell.

Falstaff · Jun 17, 2003, 02:47 PM

USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Bay, 9/11, it takes a major embarrasement or attack to polarize american sentiment and get the ball rolling on military action, but every single war we have had has been the subject of debate and argument.

Jun 16, 2003, 06:22 AM	#1
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Bush vs Bush rtsp://st21g1.services.att-idns.net/...on_7131_300.rm You'll need RealPlayer to play this.

Jun 16, 2003, 11:58 AM	#3
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Yes it changed everyone Except perhaps Rumsfeld. The attacks against the USA further galvanized the need to squash the AL QUAIDA network, something Clinton avoided doing for two terms.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 17, 2003, 04:59 AM	#5
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	what intrigues me is that Pres. Bush didn't invent the data, it actually started with Nixon, even though the rumours that Iraq was buying uranium from africa, the CIA debunked it, but refused to consider the information useless, but that CIA directer died in office and his secrets died with him. Each succesive administration has dealt with the same issue, in terms of a threat, appeasement was the first choice of course, till Hussien double crossed us. The CIA help Hussien when he was an assasin, and I often wonder if it all started there, you know, deciet, misinformaiton, because it very nearly caused hussiens death, but he fled to Egypt, what a strange arrangement. But in answer again, to adnauseum, WMD did exist in some form prior to GW1, I was there man, Hussien used gas, Hussien used missles on Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, his ballistic missle program was advanced. He was working on biological agents, he declared that he destroyed them, but where are they? where are the records? He wanted nuclear technology and was aggresively pursuing it, and the Al Samoud missle would have given him the range. The fact that Hussien could easily destablize the middle east with a hint of awesome power, attack a nieghbor and invade a nieghbor, or threaten other OPEC members so frequently that he wasn't taken seriously anymore, makes me wonder why he was tolerated by his nieghbors for so long. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 17, 2003, 02:47 PM	#7
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	American politics USS Maine, Pearl Harbor, Tonkin Bay, 9/11, it takes a major embarrasement or attack to polarize american sentiment and get the ball rolling on military action, but every single war we have had has been the subject of debate and argument. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jun 16, 2003, 09:55 AM	#2
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	I don't have RP installed, but looking at the filename, I already know what it is. The Daily Show is indeed an awesome show. I think it is quite unrealistic, though, seriously speaking, to expect a president to act the same before and after 9-11. America changed after that.

Jun 17, 2003, 01:17 AM	Thread Starter #4
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	It's not about Al-Quaida, Osama Bin Laden or 9/11/01. It's about Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Problems started with Iraq 9 years before 9/11/01 and now 2 years after. And, I don't care if you say theres a link, because, we went to war with Iraq because they supposedly had WMD and supposedly posed a threat towards America and our Allies, Israel, mainly. Yes, 9/11/01 chaged many peoples lives, and people opions may have changed afterwards, but, it didn't change mine in one way. America wanted to help Iraq, fine, many people were suffering under Saddam's rule, I don't deny that. Many people suffer in parts of Africa, from militants fighting over diamonds, which, in one way or another find their way to America. Why don't we help them? Because they have no WMD and pose no threat? Or, is it because they have no oil and America already gets their diamonds?

Jun 17, 2003, 05:57 AM	#6
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Dom, you've posted a very reasonable post, but it very much is about 9-11. Simply put, American politics can no longer be understood unless it is examined within the context of 9-11. While the US has been having trouble with Iraq for almost a decade, the modern attack plan (as planned by Rumsfeld) did not hit paper until our Towers fell.