RE III - Frankie

The crime of identity theft has gotten so bad here that our Laws needed updating. Here's the scoop:
NSW seeks laws to stop wave of ID frauds

dj_stick

about time

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RE III - Frankie

yeah. If only all the Laws were applied as strictly though. Some they don't seem to enforce at all. Like following up on distress calls. I've experienced.

SeraphicSorcerer

Maybe if America was fucking smart enough to realize that our social security numbers (Which are public information btw) should not be our credit number as well, we wouldn't have to worry about such nonsense.

By America, I mean our wonderfully enlightened Lawmakers that decided this shizzle years ago.

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Kazeko

This is not correct. Your social security number is NOT public information until after your death.


To add to this - your social security number is completely WORTHLESS without the name associated with it.


The only "public" element to it, is that the first three numbers are indicative of what state the number was issued in, and the second two numbers indicate whether or not it's a Social Security Number, Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, Adoption Taxpayer Identification Number, or IRSN (Internal Revenue Service Number.)

Tip: If it starts with the number 9, or "T" it's not valid for employment.


Edit: Also the problem with modern law makers, is the absence of something called the "Rule of Law."

SeraphicSorcerer

There are many, many ways around getting Your information, you can honestly get the information pretty easy, first google search brought up this.
Social Security Numbers

Also remember people throw out items all the time with SSN Attached.
You may not, that doesn't mean a million idiots don't.

I still ay when you get your first credit card, you should be issed a credit number, and your social should never be used to identify you.

Lawmakers don't need the rule of law, that's why we have the court system, they just take an idea and make it a law, it's the courts that apply it, which is how laws get twisted quite often.

For instance the Spanish Tax, that taxed our phones for 90 years after the war ended, was twisted due to the idea of the law, it took a court challenge to actually apply the rule. Modern Lawmakers are still hypocritical idiots.

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Kazeko

The spanish tax was recently repealed, and a refund issued to US citizens, a las the Telephone Exise Tax Refund in 2006.

And while they don't "need' the rule of law, the question isn't one of necessity, on an applicable basis, but fundamental. Without the Rule of Law, laws become arbitrary, and often times of moral nature, which means that one arbitrary ruling of a judge based on moral value becomes law which imposes on morals of another - It's moral Prejudice, much like racial, age, gender or any other imposition of human rights which.

I.e. What makes Drunk Driving Illegal? - The answer is, nothing, but the basis of the law is one of pure morality, imposed by someone's idea of right and wrong, not necessarily yours, mine, or anyone elses. Hence the word "Arbitrary."
The act of driving drunk harms no one, but killing someone does. The only reason driving drunk is illegal is because of the POTENTIAL to kill someone. - Again, this is purely a moral evaluation. While many may agree, it doesn't make it a correct law. - This is the purpose of the rule of law. To prevent arbitrary moral evaluations from imposing on the rights of others.

Think what you will, sanction drunk driving or don't, fact is - it does not necessarily harm anyone. It simply increases the probability of such. You've a right to think it correct or incorrect, but no right (by nature) to impose your ideas on others. - This is the Social Contract identified by Jean-Jacques Rousseau. (in the essay of the same name)

So, yes, They do need the rule of law. Without it, laws become the arbitrary determination of either a majority or minority, or even a supreme court justice (which is the problem the American Right has, with Sotomayor) based on that person's idea of right and wrong. - It's completely opposite of what the word "Freedom" means. - For lack of a better way to put it, The judicial system needs the rule of law, like democracy needs private property - one cannot exist without the other. Karl Marx himself was the first to identify this fact.


I'd stress again, the functionality of that information without the corresponding info that goes with it.

Less than 5% of the identity theft that occurs, is through electronic means. Phishing, Keyloggers, etc. would be useless if your information was so publically available. Yet, they still exist, with frequency and regularity to try and steal your info.


Moreover, the link you posted, takes you to a website that will not disclose a social security number, but will tell you if it is...

a. valid
b. valid for employment
c. for a dead person (which btw, you can get from the church of latter day saints.)
d. what state it was issued in

But will not tell you the name or address associated with it - rendering the number functionally USELESS.

Having an SSN is useless without the name and information associated with it. You can't just have one key to the puzzle, you have to have ALL of them.

SeraphicSorcerer

If you think criminals have no way past such checks you're very ignorant, and it's not hard to get a social security number, especially if you work anywhere/know anyone that works at a place that "wants" your SSN number. (Electrical, Tele/Cable etc, etc.)

This isn't about drunk driving, This is a question of your identity.

I honestly think that the reason it doesn't happen more often is most people don't understand how to, or are afraid of getting caught, or just simply having a conscious.

Remember most people are idiots with technology, And even some that work with it are idiots. So it's a small percentage that can get it, Stealing a wallet, is more common because it's a simpler way to commit "theft".

As I was stating that was the FIRST result in google. There are MANY WAYS TO Get information some which you provided, there are many other ways, some as simple as looking in someones trash.

I'm not going to get into rule of law, some laws are good, some are bad, some are just plain stupid.

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