Pro-piracy parties gain foothold across Europe

Falstaff · Jul 22, 2009, 10:06 PM

Pro-piracy parties gain foothold across Europe - CNN.com

Holy Crap

Judas · Jul 23, 2009, 12:19 AM

nice

**dj_stick** · Jul 23, 2009, 02:06 AM

no, not really

While a lot of the big media corporations are a little too over-zealous in their protection of their rights, complete abolition of copyright and patents is an extremely bad idea - people have a right to be compensated for their hard work - you as a consumer don't have the right to steal/pirate their work just because you're too selfish to pay for it

if we had no copyright system, no patent system, there would be zero incentive for people to make an effort, we'd have almost no entertainment, no games, no music (other than the live kind), no movies, and no technologic progress - as people and companies would realise there's no point spending the time and money required to innovate and create if there's almost no chance of getting that back

Now I know the above is on the extreme side of things, but that seems to be the direction these "pirate parties" want to head
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Kazeko · Jul 23, 2009, 03:28 AM

Points to DJ Stick, for being above the intellectual par.

The challenge here, is incentives. - In the case of recording artists, they've every reason to distribute their music freely. In the past, record labels have signed deals that squared themselves 95-99% of the profit on a record sale, leaving the artist with tenths of a cent on the dollar. Most of the money made by the average band or musician is in live performances, where they're making anywhere from 30-70% of ticket sales.

This is an interesting situation that fills a medium - why would a recording artist wish to restrict the use of their music, when in all likelihood, the proliferation of their material will result in a greater number of live performances, and hence more money. - They wouldn't. Go "Piracy" in this context.

But a company like Apple, has every right and desire (and they should have mild legal protection for such) in protecting their software from piracy, because the end use is the only use. - Down with the pirates. Up with Apple's anti-piracy pursuits.

But I'd stress the word Mild. Protection of ones' incentives in sales, is as much a responsibility of the company as it is a government responsibility - rather, the companies have the greatest interest in pursuing security in this context, be it through their own devices, or the governments. - Look how well they've protected themselves, without government intervention.

SeraphicSorcerer · Jul 23, 2009, 04:15 AM

I personally think there is a fine line between the two, While any profiting from piracy is highly illegal and should be maximum punished, good old fashion "sneaker nets" borrowing games etc Actually can lead to an INCREASE of sales.

It's SORT OF like recommending a movie that you just saw, only in a game or music case, you get to see it/listen/play with it first. Since most games require CD Keys for online play it ends up being better then trials. As far as Other pieces of software, price/incentive to buy would be much more involving.

Judas · Jul 23, 2009, 04:45 PM

There will always be incentive...

the problem is that people are still working on a system that has been broken for ages and is yet again showing it's faults.

A major Paradigm shift is needed.

If they were to win, they'd still "need" to work through the political system to put their ideas into action and make it law... i highly doubt they'd be able to get as far as they want to go.... so in the end it would probably balance things out for awhile.

SeraphicSorcerer · Jul 23, 2009, 11:52 PM

Well I think it personally helped the industry when they got rid of DRM, I feel pc gaming would actually benefit from the same thing (Take away cd checks) as I said most games have an online function that is supported by Online CD Checks.

Senor_Mota · Jul 24, 2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazeko

Points to DJ Stick, for being above the intellectual par.

The challenge here, is incentives. - In the case of recording artists, they've every reason to distribute their music freely. In the past, record labels have signed deals that squared themselves 95-99% of the profit on a record sale, leaving the artist with tenths of a cent on the dollar. Most of the money made by the average band or musician is in live performances, where they're making anywhere from 30-70% of ticket sales.

This is an interesting situation that fills a medium - why would a recording artist wish to restrict the use of their music, when in all likelihood, the proliferation of their material will result in a greater number of live performances, and hence more money. - They wouldn't. Go "Piracy" in this context.

But a company like Apple, has every right and desire (and they should have mild legal protection for such) in protecting their software from piracy, because the end use is the only use. - Down with the pirates. Up with Apple's anti-piracy pursuits.

But I'd stress the word Mild. Protection of ones' incentives in sales, is as much a responsibility of the company as it is a government responsibility - rather, the companies have the greatest interest in pursuing security in this context, be it through their own devices, or the governments. - Look how well they've protected themselves, without government intervention.

You're right - most of these international, multi-billion dollar corporations have no concern in the interest of idea theft, because even if you're a single mother with two kids, they're going to sue you for more damages than you're worth. I like to call it being "Financially Ambiguous".

IMO, the distribution of all media should be left to the artist or artists' discretion. In fact, Nine Inch Nails released their newest album for free last year via download - but they also grossed millions of dollars in ticket sales for live performances because of said release. There is a balance that can be reached...but as with most people, greed is the ultimate incentive.

PH3N0M · Jul 24, 2009, 07:58 PM

Nuff said.

Jul 22, 2009, 10:06 PM	#1
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Jul 23, 2009, 03:28 AM	#4
Kazeko DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 174 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Pro-piracy parties gain foothold across Europe Points to DJ Stick, for being above the intellectual par. The challenge here, is incentives. - In the case of recording artists, they've every reason to distribute their music freely. In the past, record labels have signed deals that squared themselves 95-99% of the profit on a record sale, leaving the artist with tenths of a cent on the dollar. Most of the money made by the average band or musician is in live performances, where they're making anywhere from 30-70% of ticket sales. This is an interesting situation that fills a medium - why would a recording artist wish to restrict the use of their music, when in all likelihood, the proliferation of their material will result in a greater number of live performances, and hence more money. - They wouldn't. Go "Piracy" in this context. But a company like Apple, has every right and desire (and they should have mild legal protection for such) in protecting their software from piracy, because the end use is the only use. - Down with the pirates. Up with Apple's anti-piracy pursuits. But I'd stress the word Mild. Protection of ones' incentives in sales, is as much a responsibility of the company as it is a government responsibility - rather, the companies have the greatest interest in pursuing security in this context, be it through their own devices, or the governments. - Look how well they've protected themselves, without government intervention.

Jul 23, 2009, 04:15 AM	#5
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Re: Pro-piracy parties gain foothold across Europe I personally think there is a fine line between the two, While any profiting from piracy is highly illegal and should be maximum punished, good old fashion "sneaker nets" borrowing games etc Actually can lead to an INCREASE of sales. It's SORT OF like recommending a movie that you just saw, only in a game or music case, you get to see it/listen/play with it first. Since most games require CD Keys for online play it ends up being better then trials. As far as Other pieces of software, price/incentive to buy would be much more involving. __________________

Jul 23, 2009, 11:52 PM	#7
SeraphicSorcerer HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 2,295 Rep Power: 156 System Specs	Re: Pro-piracy parties gain foothold across Europe Well I think it personally helped the industry when they got rid of DRM, I feel pc gaming would actually benefit from the same thing (Take away cd checks) as I said most games have an online function that is supported by Online CD Checks. __________________

Jul 24, 2009, 07:58 PM	#9
PH3N0M The Master of Sarcasm Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The U.S. of A Posts: 348 Rep Power: 37 System Specs	Re: Pro-piracy parties gain foothold across Europe Nuff said. __________________