Your thoughts on Pakistan....?

dawgXdenta · Oct 16, 2009, 10:07 AM

What the hell does America want with Pakistan, other than "fighting alqaeda"
Whats your opinion on the matter?

Some background info.
Escalation of US NATO War in Afghanistan: The Risks of Regional Conflagration

Tyrsonswood · Oct 16, 2009, 11:37 AM

They have nuclear capability, American government thinks the terrorists could too easily get their hands on........ (or so they say in the media)

So we blast the country to bits, and send them billions in aid at the same time.......

Typical John Wayne crap........ Ya know?

comp_ali · Oct 16, 2009, 11:41 AM

in a nutshell , Pakistan is America's armor in the war in Afghanistan.

Falstaff · Oct 16, 2009, 12:47 PM

Crack open the history books guys. Just saying that Pakistan is America's ally because of the war on terrorism and nuclear capability glosses over the historical facts.
You have to go a bit further back into the formation Pakistan, independence and the transtional governments that have existed up till most recently.
A pro western and democratic government in that region is of tremendous value to the U.S. to say the least, but Pakistan has always maintained a counter stance to India.

BlueMak · Oct 16, 2009, 02:17 PM

Pakistan is not the problem on its own. If the fascist so called extremist parts of islam get a bigger foothold in the country, then it doesn't matter how good Pakistan has been or the will of its government. From the outside, it looks like there is a lack of will from at least parts of the Pakistani people and military to fight those parts. What they might not understand is that you can't reason with these people. It's like trying to reason with Hitler, they will ALWAYS try to backstab you.
If the Afghan and Pakistan population doesn't decide to fight these people, then their countries will be lost for who knows how many years.
Pakistan is not unique in this condition, it's not the first country or the last that will suffer from these people. The only immediate threat to non Pakistani is the nuclear weapons there. I do not trust them with them.
The only saving grace of the whole situation is the very large population of the country that can act as a airbag to slow things down a bit.
Muslims need to wake up and not let their countries got to waste from these garbage in disguise.

~~RE III - Frankie~~ · Oct 17, 2009, 06:55 AM

The FAC is the WAR doesn't make sense especially if it's about 911 BECAUSE the DON'T know for sure who it was that crashed those planes. Sure the have suspects, but NO HARD PROOF.

DJ BIG T · Oct 17, 2009, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RE III - Frankie

The FAC is the WAR doesn't make sense especially if it's about 911 BECAUSE the DON'T know for sure who it was that crashed those planes. Sure the have suspects, but NO HARD PROOF.

there was proof and i understand why we are there but i didnt agree with the iraq war that was over oil...

~~CitySlicker~~ · Oct 18, 2009, 02:14 AM

I suggest you guys interested in middle-east read the book from Rob Bear (former CIA Agent)

The Devil We Know

it gives great insight into the middle-east/US relationship. Highly recommended to look behind the scenes.

Falstaff · Oct 18, 2009, 04:00 AM

I agree, excellent book.

dawgXdenta · Oct 18, 2009, 05:39 PM

I've lost complete faith in CNN, BBC and the like. I simply dont watch them, less I want to hear what lies and misdirection they have decided to spew out.
I'm inclined to agree with Falstaff whenever I hear rhetoric of alqaeda and terrorsist what I really hear is "we want geographical and financial control over this region".
Terrorists are not major threat, cancer is a greater threat than terrorsism more money should be spent on americas healthcare than on a dodgy war.

Oct 16, 2009, 10:07 AM	#1
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Your thoughts on Pakistan....? What the hell does America want with Pakistan, other than "fighting alqaeda" Whats your opinion on the matter? Some background info. Escalation of US NATO War in Afghanistan: The Risks of Regional Conflagration __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Oct 16, 2009, 11:41 AM	#3
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? in a nutshell , Pakistan is America's armor in the war in Afghanistan. __________________

Oct 16, 2009, 12:47 PM	#4
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? Crack open the history books guys. Just saying that Pakistan is America's ally because of the war on terrorism and nuclear capability glosses over the historical facts. You have to go a bit further back into the formation Pakistan, independence and the transtional governments that have existed up till most recently. A pro western and democratic government in that region is of tremendous value to the U.S. to say the least, but Pakistan has always maintained a counter stance to India. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 16, 2009, 02:17 PM	#5
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,470 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? Pakistan is not the problem on its own. If the fascist so called extremist parts of islam get a bigger foothold in the country, then it doesn't matter how good Pakistan has been or the will of its government. From the outside, it looks like there is a lack of will from at least parts of the Pakistani people and military to fight those parts. What they might not understand is that you can't reason with these people. It's like trying to reason with Hitler, they will ALWAYS try to backstab you. If the Afghan and Pakistan population doesn't decide to fight these people, then their countries will be lost for who knows how many years. Pakistan is not unique in this condition, it's not the first country or the last that will suffer from these people. The only immediate threat to non Pakistani is the nuclear weapons there. I do not trust them with them. The only saving grace of the whole situation is the very large population of the country that can act as a airbag to slow things down a bit. Muslims need to wake up and not let their countries got to waste from these garbage in disguise. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 17, 2009, 06:55 AM	#6
~~RE III - Frankie~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,754 Rep Power: 0	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? The FAC is the WAR doesn't make sense especially if it's about 911 BECAUSE the DON'T know for sure who it was that crashed those planes. Sure the have suspects, but NO HARD PROOF.

Oct 18, 2009, 02:14 AM	#8
~~CitySlicker~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 183 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? I suggest you guys interested in middle-east read the book from Rob Bear (former CIA Agent) The Devil We Know it gives great insight into the middle-east/US relationship. Highly recommended to look behind the scenes.

Oct 18, 2009, 04:00 AM	#9
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? I agree, excellent book. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 18, 2009, 05:39 PM	Thread Starter #10
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Re: Your thoughts on Pakistan....? I've lost complete faith in CNN, BBC and the like. I simply dont watch them, less I want to hear what lies and misdirection they have decided to spew out. I'm inclined to agree with Falstaff whenever I hear rhetoric of alqaeda and terrorsist what I really hear is "we want geographical and financial control over this region". Terrorists are not major threat, cancer is a greater threat than terrorsism more money should be spent on americas healthcare than on a dodgy war. __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/