Zelig

Yeah, but most dentists don't use amalgam fillings anymore, partially because of the mercury fears.

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dawgXdenta

Obama Administration Launches Deceptive Swine Flu Propaganda Blitz

Obama Administration Launches Deceptive Swine Flu Propaganda Blitz

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comp_ali

Thanks for the link Dawg , nice article , I believe it is right.

dawgXdenta

I rely on ALL of my news nowadays from NON cooperate sources, there are many this is just one. Balanced insight, i read an article here about why America is in Pakistan, CNN would say Taliban or "Alqaeda" these experts say its geopolitical strategies to have a base near India, Aaaahhhhhhhhh makes sense doesn't it.

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Judas

I laugh when i see Alqaeda.... or hear someone say that...

a CIA trained, armed people that pertain and are under that database.

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comp_ali

Just a fresh bad news;
The school beside our college had a swine flue infected student since a couple of days , then his family went to the doctor to get the shot. Unfortunately , according to his family , his case got worst after taking the shot and had several serious illness. He passed away the last Wednesday.

Tyrsonswood

Getting any flu shot when you have the flu will just make things worse...... Doctor should have known that.

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comp_ali

The source "it is one of our news paper "
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dawgXdenta

Sorry man, its a shame

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Judas

seems everyday more and more doctors are not really doctors anymore...

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Falstaff

I see the thread has spiraled even further into the world where facts and fiction are blended. If anyone takes anything away from this.
Influenza exists, it can kill, prevention is the only measure you can take to benefit communities seeking to prevent further illness and immunizations also have risks.
I am not surprised Null and Gale have articles that support their position and recieve support from a variety of groups but they do not represent the greater community, government or the greater good.
I am old enough to remember scores of other epidemics so I have some perspective, not meaningless drivel from the left and from the peanut gallery on the web.
I recommend anyone that is interested to gain a greater insight into disease prevention and mans struggle for the past 120 years.
Nothing is perfect, but I can assure anyone, medicine is getting better.

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SeraphicSorcerer

President Obama simply declared the emergency to stop the bullshit lines and make them move quicker because by declaring a emergency they reduce the paperwork by 75%.

Only identification and making sure they actually are in a position of need then need to be looked at. It also makes it available for people that may have been put in a position to pay for it.


The "pandemic" itself is being compleely blown out of proportion by the WHO

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isaak

Just got my swine flu vaccination today; as i said before, no one even knew a vaccine had come out for it, simply nobody cares anymore. swine flu is dead in australia as far as the media is concerned.

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Falstaff

If there was any hysteria, it certainly has to be the anxiety about getting the vaccine. Whether it is a conspiracy. That everyone will die from getting he vaccination or even that Swine flu is something that was invented. I hear loads of crap about Swine flu and next year no doubt, after another virus mutates and spreads, we will have to face a new challenge.
Just the hours of work lost to disease alone is enough for our country to take action.
Its a public health issue, but it has greater import.
if this were something we face a hundred years ago, I suppose it would be just as dramatic, but we would not have the information to treat it.
Life is hard, and the more people we have on the planet, living longer and travelling more often, disease can spread so fast.

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First H1N1 cat case confirmed by veterinary group | statesmanjournal.com | Statesman Journal

slugbug

The lineups here for the H1NI shot are crazy. I won't be eligible to get mine until early next month. The pharmaceutical companies are so busy making the H1N1 vaccine that they haven't been able to make the seasonal flu vaccine yet. My family doctor said it may only be out by January.

Optix

My wife and I took our 6 month old son to one of the clinics and were luckily both given the vaccination along with his first round. Young children and infants need a second vaccination 21 days later. The day after we went they changed the rules. Now only one parent can get vaccinated due to the shortages.

In fact all of the clinics around the city and surrounding areas have been suspended until the end of the month because they just don't have the vaccine.

We look at it this way. If H1N1 is hyped up then that's fine. You can call me Henny Penny and laugh at me because I thought the sky was falling but what if it is a legitimate health concern?

If we chose not to get the vaccination and my son contracts it how do you think that would make us feel?

That was reason enough for us. End of story.

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Falstaff

I believe the greater good is served to everyone when immunizations and vaccines are made available to everyone.
With school closures, job productivity and illness and death making such an impact it just makes sense.

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SeraphicSorcerer

The problem is Falstaff is fear mongering people (neither left nor right, I don't get why everyone makes it so political) accuse certain vaccinations of causing shit like Autism, or a host of other diseases, which therefore get distorted by the media and lead to people not wanting to vaccinate.....

I also believe pharmaceutical companies pick and choose their vaccinations these days because as Chris rock pointed out. They're still pissed at the money they lost on Polio :P

The problem with medicine, is that the money is in long term treatment. And the pharmeaceutical companies know this, which is why I think so many dieseases are able to run rampant thanks to these 2 converging factors.

I am also vehemently opposed to all this anti-bacterial shit we sell in this country, our immune systems need to be tested and ready to fight shit like these slighlty more serious flus, otherwise we never develop anti-bodies.

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Falstaff

I understand how you feel and your Chris Rock joke is not lost on me. The drug companies have a niche and they fill it well. However diseases that can be prevented with good hygiene and intelligent immunization and vaccination programs, and of course, improved diets is steadily declining.
The average life-expectancy of human beings is steadily increasing as we make further strides in medicine and genetics.
I believe that as we extend our finite lifespan, we will put further pressure on the earth and its resources. Human beings are like the disease that is killing the planet, and there is no immunization.
I am waiting for the next epidemic to come, as viruses become stronger or spread further in spite of out attempts to keep it in check.
I see our immune systems eventually overwhelmed by the very pollution and filth we put into the air and the water.
Human beings are the blight on the face of the planet and we might very well be gone within the next twenty years.
The earth will go on and heal itself, but we might suffer an ignoble fate.

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Optix

I agree with this 100%. You can't walk 30 seconds around my work place without seeing a hand sanitizer stuck to the wall. What nobody seems to understand is that your body builds up natural immunities during the course of your daily activities. The bacteria on your hands, both good and bad helps you with this. By using the hand sanitizer you are basically strip mining your skin removing every barrier that may have been there.

Now I do like anti-bacterial hand soap at home but that is because I change enough poopy diapers to keep the diaper companies in business single handedly.

It is a multi-billion dollar market and more and more people keep buying into it with the media's help and this is the part of the "mass health hysteria" that I disagree with.

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Falstaff

The benefits of clean hands is well known, whether you use hand sanitizer or soap, or stop picking your nose or scratching your ass.
It might buy piece of mind for the person using hand sanitizer, but it has been proven to reduce the risk of transmitting disease by contact.
If there is any hysteria, as I mentioned before, it is ignorance and stupidity and a general lack of understanding about disease entirely.
If you work around people that are vulnerable to disease and you practice good hygiene and observe good practices, hand sanitizer and face masks if necessary, then your doing your part to prevent disease.
There is absolutely no benefit to anyone or yourself, if you ignore precautions and good health science.
As the world continues to grow and we continue to travel by air all over the place, any barrier or technique to prevent spreading common disease and illness is essential.
But you cant stop people from scratching their butts and noses or picking their teeth or gums and spreading those germs all over the place.
I prefer to keep my guard up.

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comp_ali

That's conceivable but in a city like I live in. It is impossible to stop infection from germs. We are millions living in a small plot , why because people are generally poor and can't afford buying another home in a new city or they are comfortable with living in this town center since most governmental departments and services are within their reach.

For me I take the metro everyday to my college , the metro is stuffed with people so that you can't even imagine that. And the over-ground transport is worse in every level.

I keep myself clean as well but for sure but I can't force people to be same as mine. you may see people spitting in the way and doing loathsome things in the street but you can do nothing but give the whole thing up.

SeraphicSorcerer

My argument however Falstaff is that eventually and it's already starting to happen, that because we're so anti-bacterial, so obsessed with "killing" germs that can NOT be completely eradicated, that we're going to have super resistant strains that REALLY WILL cause pandemics and mass killings. Like billions, What if the black plague all of a sudden becomes immune to hand sanitzer and just good old fashion soap and water and spreads so fast, that by the time you realize you have it, you're dead?

I am not opposed to hygenie, but see Bacteria multiplies so rapidly that that .01 percent becomes 100% within hours. What if one or 2 of those straisn therefore becomes immune to all known anti-bacterials?

Penicillin is a prime example, MANY strains are now super resistant to it. I'm not arguing against washing hands, but just good old fashion warm water and soap is just about as effective.

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Judas

everyone had to eat their pound of dirt in their life..

some people today just put it off and get the full helping in one shot..

or unawarily submit to being fed it via a needle or through other both corporate means.

I like the fact that "increased life spans, people are living longer...etc. and so forth" yet what isn't realized is there are more people living LONGER on life support, not really living, just basically a vegitative state, rather then actually doing or "living" in the means we'd have been told to expect. And there are even more people dieing due to reasons on their own but majority of it caused by people that work on profit margins, in some cases, self inflicting it without ever realizing it.

Super viruses are being created by the constant unnecessary vacination of healthy babies/children/teenagers/adults. Perfectly healthy adults are getting a shot popped on such a regular occurance now it's for most, just a yearly/bi annual thing. Even though they have utterly no reason to get it.

People getting sick isn't a problem, the fact that it's a misconception that being sick is actually seriously unhealthy is a complete load of crap, obviously if your sick and not able to fight off the sickness, then it's a problem, but you don't take pre-emptive measures every single bloody time, it's just stupid.

People need to miss work more often, miss school, so on and so forth. Don't abuse it, use it properly, people are jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other, the extremes of both worlds, it's all about balance, get it right.

The Facts remain, statistical data questionable, plenty of medical personal waging war on each other, and i've yet to see a single bit of media coverage that has made the suggestion that constant vacinations are bad.

People are concerned about getting peoples right to refuse taken away, but yet in the long run, the people getting constant vacines are the cause of the plague in the end.

There is utterly zero fear mongering going on about the vacines anywhere public... just all the greatness of it, zero information pertaining to the cons of it or other factors involved, so obviously there is going to be a number of alternative sources both legitimate and ilegitimate that will claim the opposite, express the cons. We really don't need to hear the positives as we are drilled these "claimed facts" enough already, it's basically called anti-hype, countering the already perserved fact/truth with as much information as possible.

Frankly i don't in the end give a shit if someone is going to get it or not, I don't need it, the facts suggest majority don't need it, and even more information suggests that it's counter productive to bother getting it as the long term effects be it excistant or not still has world wide ramifications.

There is no way i'm getting it, i'd rather get h1n1 injected in it's native form then bother with a vacine that could provide a catalyst to further mutation of the virus or worse.

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Falstaff

Its about prevention, you certainly cant nor do I suggest that you can eliminate pathogens and vectors, but you can use common sense and good hygiene and keep the bugs at bay. Any irrational fear of something is a phobia, for instance :

Spermatophobia or Spermophobia- Fear of germs
Automysophobia- Fear of being dirty
Bacillophobia- Fear of microbes
Bacteriophobia- Fear of bacteria
Microbiophobia- Fear of microbes. (Bacillophobia)
Misophobia or Mysophobia- Fear of being contaminated with dirt or germs
Molysmophobia or Molysomophobia- Fear of dirt or contamination
Monopathophobia- Fear of definite disease
Pathophobia- Fear of disease
Rupophobia- Fear of dirt

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Falstaff

everyone had to eat their pound of dirt in their life.. some people today just put it off and get the full helping in one shot.. or unawarily submit to being fed it via a needle or through other both corporate means.

not sure what you are driving at here Judas

I like the fact that "increased life spans, people are living longer...etc. and so forth" yet what isn't realized is there are more people living LONGER on life support, not really living, just basically a vegitative state, rather then actually doing or "living" in the means we'd have been told to expect. And there are even more people dieing due to reasons on their own but majority of it caused by people that work on profit margins, in some cases, self inflicting it without ever realizing it.

Judas, the proportion of people on life support vs those who have outlived their parents is proportionally much smaller in comparison.

Super viruses are being created by the constant unnecessary vacination of healthy babies/children/teenagers/adults. Perfectly healthy adults are getting a shot popped on such a regular occurance now it's for most, just a yearly/bi annual thing. Even though they have utterly no reason to get it.

Viruses mutate Judas, that is why they constantly change. In terms of super viruses, I think you are referring to species for which we have no preventive means to counter and no medical alternative to treat, meaning a higher morbidity or lethality.

People getting sick isn't a problem, the fact that it's a misconception that being sick is actually seriously unhealthy is a complete load of crap, obviously if your sick and not able to fight off the sickness, then it's a problem, but you don't take pre-emptive measures every single bloody time, it's just stupid.

Judas, what is stupid is ignoring the truth about prevention and it would be ideal if you could prevent most diseases and problems with a shot or a pill. As you mentioned before being sick isnt necessarily unhealthy, as our immune systems have to adapt so we can create the necessary defense within our immune system to counter future infection. But what is stupid is just plain mis-perception and misconception about disease.

People need to miss work more often, miss school, so on and so forth. Don't abuse it, use it properly, people are jumping from one end of the spectrum to the other, the extremes of both worlds, it's all about balance, get it right.

I think your saying that you should only take off work when your really sick, I would buy into that.

The Facts remain, statistical data questionable, plenty of medical personal waging war on each other, and i've yet to see a single bit of media coverage that has made the suggestion that constant vacinations are bad.

The CDC and the WHO and your local health department should have a great deal of information avaible to assist you.

People are concerned about getting peoples right to refuse taken away, but yet in the long run, the people getting constant vacines are the cause of the plague in the end.

Judas....please think carefully before you post something like this, there is absolutely nothing to support that statement.

There is utterly zero fear mongering going on about the vacines anywhere public... just all the greatness of it, zero information pertaining to the cons of it or other factors involved, so obviously there is going to be a number of alternative sources both legitimate and ilegitimate that will claim the opposite, express the cons. We really don't need to hear the positives as we are drilled these "claimed facts" enough already, it's basically called anti-hype, countering the already perserved fact/truth with as much information as possible.

Alright mister, you can believe what you wish, and I hope you prosper, but honestly, where does this come from?

Frankly i don't in the end give a shit if someone is going to get it or not, I don't need it, the facts suggest majority don't need it, and even more information suggests that it's counter productive to bother getting it as the long term effects be it excistant or not still has world wide ramifications.
There is no way i'm getting it, i'd rather get h1n1 injected in it's native form then bother with a vacine that could provide a catalyst to further mutation of the virus or worse.

Its a free world, and you do as you wish, but at least I hope you wash your hands after you wipe your bum and avoid digging into your nose in public.

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Optix

I can kind of see where Judas is going but standard vaccinations for my baby's health along with any for potentially lethal viruses like H1N1 are not something I'm prepared to gamble with based on conspiracy theories.

Tin foil helmet on!

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Judas

I'm somewhat surprised you've never heard that saying before.. perhaps it's not really a "known" saying, but the overall concept of it is that in one manner or another, everyone will be drug through the same amount of crap as the previous generation reguardless of the security, safety, preventions, and anything else to "safeguard" which enevitably results in what it was all trying to prevent in the first place. You counter the bad with enough "good intentions" and either things corrupt absalutely, or the bad counters with enough force to resolve it.

Some people get their yearly dose of getting a cold, flu, ear infection, cut, slices, scratches, accidents. Some don't, some only pospone it or get it all in a single dose. We all bleed, some just do it more then others at once time.

Initially, but that doesn't change the fact that this has changed unpredictably in the past and like anything else, ignoring the possibility and the fact that it's occured and will occur results in it occuring just as quickly. Remember, more people are walking around with half of their minds destroyed and working up to their 4th heart attack, but they aren't the person they used to be, oventually you may as well be talking to a ghost/wall. Going by any data collected, the grey areas in which people are currently present are emediately moved into a positive appearing zone, makes things seem better overall when in reality it's either unchanged or in some cases, quite the opposite. I guess most of my beef is being straight up lied to frequently by what is referred to "authority" when clearly they either know the truth, knew it, or don't know jack about it and have the balls to lie to the peoples faces.

This applies to nearly ever facit of society now, which is, frankly, pretty damn sad.

Viruses do mutate, but unfortunately a great many people insist on helping it right along in every way they can. When you get into manmade solutions to either natures problems, or another manmade screwup such as h1n1... well, we don't have to go that far back into our past to see how that typical ends.

Yes you decribed the super viruses, do you know anything about them, how they've come into excistance, and WHY they are so difficult to beat, they've been in excistance for a few decades and are rapidly growing more difficult to treat.

What a wonderful world it would be if a quick fix was just popping a pill or taking an injection, problem solved, no worries. Unfortunately while it would be stupid to not accept something like that and work with it, it's another matter to ignore and disreguard the lack of checks already in place for the present system we have already, and the fact that further removal of such checks have taken place granting faster mass availability of pills and "solutions" that are becoming available by reducing the testing period requirements and reducing the number of tests total.

Feel free to point out a few places to help get oneself up to date on "disease". I want people to do their own research, but be realistic about it, Official sources are going to give you the sweet wonderful sales pitch, and the 3rd party or alternative sources will give the other side of the story as well, some are going to be over the top in one way and other will make valid balanced unbiased points on the matter and the information. Not very often recently will you see an what is claimed as "official" giving an unbiased point of view and presenting ALL the necessary facts of the matter to make a relatively decent and well education dicision on the matter.

Precisely,

one of the major pitfalls of Canadian Medicare is that people have abused the living shit out of it, causing massive line ups and presenting problems for those that truely need it while doctors are wasteing time with people that have typical flus/colds/minor and totally unnecessary health issues. Someone coming in for a the simpliest things wastes plenty of time even if it seems short, you only need a few thousand of these idiots to waste a shitload of their time resulting in the truely ill getting the backhand for countless days/months/years.

Great deal of only the information they prefer to give you, OR most of the time, the only information they can give you (that they were given) that tells you jack all and makes the only suggestion that presents them the most profit when it suits them. Even with all the good people that work in these systems are still only able to give what they've learnt themselves, and if they themselves aren't kept in the loop in full, then your pretty much screwed on beleiving "Official" CDC/Who and so forth. All of which are in relatively Owned by someone that CAN, at will, through thier systems, which are known to have corruption.

We aren't talking about conspiracy theories, but conspiracy itself and the facts of the matter at hand which you can do your own research on and either take it or leave it.

I'd suggest you think carefully about that statement, think of the bigger picture, there is plenty to support that statement, unfortunately your thinking far to small, to short of a time period...etc and so forth on the matter. I may be in the minority with that statement, but it doesn't make it inacurate/infactual at all.

[quote]Alright mister, you can believe what you wish, and I hope you prosper, but honestly, where does this come from?[quote]

You may want to explain this a little bit better, as it's over generalized.

So much for the free world when the discussion about "FORCED" vacination and the claim of forced quaranteen reguardless of being infected or not.

As i said previously, while this may not be exactly what we've seen in the past, this is quite similare.

Maybe i should use this statement "When a civilization either reaches or is about to reach it's peak, the corruption ensues and the destruction of such civilization happens usually within, self conquered in every manner."

You get big wigs trying to enforce order, you get chaos instead, and the more one group pushes claiming to be in favor of order, the more chaos they create. If it happens to come down to riding on the H1N1 vacine, so be it, there will oventually be a ground shaking outcry, i hope it doesn't happen soon, but i'll be a bit surprised if people don't start waking up to what it really going on around the world instead of focusing strictly on their own little world.

And i'll also state that people don't to think of it, they don't want to perseave it, why, because it's almost hopeless like. I'm in favor of truth, reguardless of how shit stained it may appear or how many bits of red tape i have to plow through.

Question is are you... or do you just accept what your told.

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Judas, I see your arguments and I can only draw one conclusion, you do not trust the experts or rely on the official information about diseases or statistics or even suggesting a conspiracy, etc.
I have to deal with the real and known, perhaps the unknown and unproven is your province.

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