US declares swine flu 'emergency'

comp_ali · Oct 25, 2009, 05:57 PM

US President Barack Obama has declared swine flu a national emergency.
The White House said the president signed the proclamation concerning the 2009 H1N1 outbreak on Friday evening.
It increases the ability of treatment facilities to handle a surge in H1N1 patients by easing the implementation of emergency plans.
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source : BBC

dawgXdenta · Oct 25, 2009, 08:09 PM

Emmergency, who is earning money from all this HooHaaBaaLooo

BlueMak · Oct 25, 2009, 08:19 PM

1000 deaths out of 300+ million. How many people die each year from regular flu in the USA?

isaak · Oct 26, 2009, 06:45 AM

It's completely washed over in Australia.

procupine14 · Oct 26, 2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueMak

1000 deaths out of 300+ million. How many people die each year from regular flu in the USA?

It's about the same ratio....Just a larger number of people got it and therefore more people died....common sense that most of these people are overlooking. the funny part about this whole thing is they are treating it like some huge plague when really most people aren't even dying from the H1N1 virus. they are dying from all of the other pathogens that they come into contact with under an already weakened immune system. These are things that most doctors aren't treating for. Specifically bacterial infections which can easily be remedied with Azythromycin or a similar drug.

I got H1N1 a few weeks ago. I got over it and was fine. My girlfriend also caught it (she was the one that gave it to me I'm sure

) and she recovered jsut fine. Two healthy adults doing well and neither of us died. Both of us were sick for no more than a week (mine was a few days of flu symptoms but no fever and hers was high fever with medication like tamiflu etc and she recovered in four days). So, in my mind, this isn't an issue at all. People get sick and their bodies fight it off like they are supposed to.

comp_ali · Oct 26, 2009, 01:51 PM

Good you've recovered

.

Cow_160483 · Oct 27, 2009, 10:11 AM

this is just a marketing ploy by the manufactures of tamiflu... how much money are they making i wonder :P

comp_ali · Oct 27, 2009, 10:32 AM

Apparently they decided to

Tyrsonswood · Oct 27, 2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cow_160483

this is just a marketing ploy by the manufactures of tamiflu... how much money are they making i wonder :P

but it's been shown that Tamiflu doesn't work for this manufactured virus.....

BlueMak · Oct 27, 2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by comp_ali

Apparently they decided to

Funny pic. But, Porky is probably, together with D.Duck the most funny character of the show.

Cow_160483 · Oct 27, 2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrsonswood

but it's been shown that Tamiflu doesn't work for this manufactured virus.....

I guess they have to make money somehow

so selling a product that dosent work is not a real surprise

Judas · Oct 27, 2009, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMak

1000 deaths out of 300+ million. How many people die each year from regular flu in the USA?

1000 deaths?

from what?

Media claims "confirmed" yet the REAL doctors figure common cold or death due to other illness not at all related to "swine flu"

this is complete bullshit...

why in the FUCK are these countries going out of their way to scare the living shit out of everyone that doesn't have a clue..

Using vacines that do not pass the required testing, they are rushed through...

filled with mercury

and other things they will not state what.

I laugh at anyone that gets the swine flu shot, or any shot for that matter.

Look at how much revenue all the companies are making off this..

where are our tax dollars going? Being pumped into bullshit pamfletts and vacines developed by private pharmisuticals.

I've received no less then 8 bloody mini books and pamfletts. Wanna know what the 2nd WORD on all of them were? the first word usually "The" the 2nd any one of the following

Pandemic
Outbreak
etc. and so forth with the same bloody meaning.

Pure propaganda.

Some of the first "H1N1 Confirmed deaths" have been documented, one of the first ones claimed was a older man that was in a vehicle accident, he didn't die due to H1N1, he died due to his bloody sustained injurries... Yet since he "had" H1N1, they could just slap it up as another statistical value to further their bloody money grabbing agenda. Who knows what else.

Another fact of the matter is private studies have concluded that continual vacinations have destroyed peoples immune system as they do not work in the same manner, Making them highly suseptible to being more greatly affected by common colds and flu, making them very dangerous and then to top it off, making their bodies the perfect peatrie dish for super viruses that are able to greatly affect people with strong self sustained imune systems.

Do some bloody research, I could smack the shit outa some of these people that don't know what there doing and blindly do things because of what they've heard rather then bother trying to know anything about.

Seriously why in the hell are people doing absalutely nothing to look up and figure out what might kill them (or suggested that it'll kill them) and empty headed to just willingly accept whatever they are told.

We live in the age of stupidity, brain dead society that has no will to do anything beyond their robotic repetitious days, being a waist to the civilization and in the end, part of the problem rather then a productive and active solution.

People don't care anymore..... and i lose faith in humanity to step up daily.

dawgXdenta · Oct 28, 2009, 03:10 PM

Judas with so much pent up energy why dont ya DO SOMETHIN ABOUT IT MAN. There are so many places you can go to make a change dont be stuck cut off from people who like you are informed and taking action, ive joined the Zeitgeist Movement and will hopefully Godwilling create a site which will hopefully act as a launchpoint for future activities.

My point get OUT THERE

Falstaff · Oct 28, 2009, 07:17 PM

the only hype I have seen about H1N1 has been in a few posts on this forum.
its real, and it can kill, just like as someone mentioned, other forms of influenza too.
the point is, America or rather the world isnt prepared to deal with influenza yet, it wasnt a hundred years ago and it isnt now.
when it costs business missed days at work, business starts to panic

dawgXdenta · Oct 28, 2009, 10:46 PM

You know Falstaff its not that we'r sayin it aint real, its just that we've learned that whenever westeren media make a hype about something its ALWAYS BAD NEWS and someone ALWAYS makes money out of it, every major assasination in the US has always had CIA behind it. How are we supposed to trust a goverment that killed great minds and progressive leaders and thinkers like :Malcom X, JFK, Martin Luter King Jr and that sends its poor to Iraq and Afghanistan for black gold ,then give a man(Obama) who hasnt done sheit a Peace Award, a goverment that barely gives a shit about people who cant get health care and allows the health caer institutions to throw people on the street to literaly die, and then all of a sudden they Care!!!!

Bullshit!!!!! They dont give a fuck about us they just want to make money from this to cover losses from the economic fallout.

Falstaff · Oct 28, 2009, 11:25 PM

ummmmmm
okay....
but you have to admit....
Influenza is real....
whether it is hyped or not.
it kills and disrupts, and it is seasonal..
and we really cant do shiite about it.
just try to remain healthy and observe good hygiene.
hand washing, staying away from work or school and even masks are necessary.

dawgXdenta · Oct 29, 2009, 12:09 AM

yep, i know , thats all we can really do is try to take care of ourselves

Falstaff · Oct 29, 2009, 03:49 AM

where I work we processed over three hundred swine flu cases and perhaps quite a bit more of the routine flu symptom related illnesses, the CDC and the WHO want metrics to determine the spread of the epidemic, but eventually we will all be exposed, its only a matter of time.

Judas · Oct 29, 2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falstaff

the only hype I have seen about H1N1 has been in a few posts on this forum.
its real, and it can kill, just like as someone mentioned, other forms of influenza too.
the point is, America or rather the world isnt prepared to deal with influenza yet, it wasnt a hundred years ago and it isnt now.
when it costs business missed days at work, business starts to panic

With that frame of mind..

there is a ketchup pandemic, a milk pandemic, a computer pandemic, there is a Vitamin A pandemic....

Seriously, who's hyping what?

Fallstaff, i'd suggest pulling your head out of what ever dark place you've got it stuck.

EVERYTHING can kill you, swine flu/h1n1 is as about as deadly as anything else.

Your more likely to die from multiple lightning strikes then h1n1...

Still to date, they have been no 100% documented, confirmed by REAL doctors that aren't biased media spewing freaks, case of a person dieing specifically due to h1n1... Perhaps a contributing factor to the death, but hey, people are dieing by the thousands due to typical everyday colds/flu's that haven't been propelled to insane hyped up BS like h1n1.. yet they are contributing to the deaths of millions of people around the world.. and yet... h1n1 has barely even touched anyone in the same way.

I mean it's kinda like dieing from chicken pox. IT can happen, but no one in the right mind would get vacinated for it, let alone run scared. Shit, people purposely give each other chicken pox just to get over it and futher NATURALLY build up the emune system.

Falstaff · Oct 29, 2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas

With that frame of mind..

there is a ketchup pandemic, a milk pandemic, a computer pandemic, there is a Vitamin A pandemic....

Seriously, who's hyping what?

Fallstaff, i'd suggest pulling your head out of what ever dark place you've got it stuck.

EVERYTHING can kill you, swine flu/h1n1 is as about as deadly as anything else.

Your more likely to die from multiple lightning strikes then h1n1...

Still to date, they have been no 100% documented, confirmed by REAL doctors that aren't biased media spewing freaks, case of a person dieing specifically due to h1n1... Perhaps a contributing factor to the death, but hey, people are dieing by the thousands due to typical everyday colds/flu's that haven't been propelled to insane hyped up BS like h1n1.. yet they are contributing to the deaths of millions of people around the world.. and yet... h1n1 has barely even touched anyone in the same way.

I mean it's kinda like dieing from chicken pox. IT can happen, but no one in the right mind would get vacinated for it, let alone run scared. Shit, people purposely give each other chicken pox just to get over it and futher NATURALLY build up the emune system.

See here Judas, do not get nasty with me young man, I have been kind because your Canadian but I have twenty years of medical experience and work in a hospital and teach providers how to document illness and disease. I listen to endless hours of crap from pseudo-intellectuals and conspiracy theorists that go on about every bloody thing under the sun they can associate with an unknown.
I prefer to concentrate my interest on what is known.
you knowlege or should I say lack of medical knowlege astounds me. You can actually google some this you know, so I wont award you any cool points.
Thanx for playing anyway though.

Judas · Oct 29, 2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falstaff

See here Judas, do not get nasty with me young man, I have been kind because your Canadian but I have twenty years of medical experience and work in a hospital and teach providers how to document illness and disease. I listen to endless hours of crap from pseudo-intellectuals and conspiracy theorists that go on about every bloody thing under the sun they can associate with an unknown.
I prefer to concentrate my interest on what is known.
you knowlege or should I say lack of medical knowlege astounds me. You can actually google some this you know, so I wont award you any cool points.
Thanx for playing anyway though.

I guess friends and family that work in the medical proffesion for more years have absalutely no bases as well?

It doesn't take someone to be in the field to have an idea or to be able to read about the practices, changes made, and so forth.

Specially considering what has changed in the last 5 years when it comes to medical screw ups that get sweeped under the rug, not to mention the unheard of changes to proper testing of medical practices.

Playing the game... when your dealing with life and death or major medical conditions, you don't screw around.

The facts of the matter at hand, there are things happens over a long period of time that have had counter productive results for us, and to ignore the fact that ethical practices have so far been thrown out the window with fewer "morally" obligated good people up in the higher ranks and more of the insane, bloody sucking, money grabbing assholes, is just stupidity in itself.

Nasty?

I have no intentions of getting nasty..

But it's another totally to state that being canadian has any bearing at all on this matter at hand. Completely pointless and has no validity to this arguement.

Actually considering that some of the most significant medical advancements have either occured in canada.. or have been developed and tested by canadians that reside in the states..... maybe that comment isn't exactly intended as demeaning.. but rather as a compliment.. in which case.. thanks

Falstaff · Oct 29, 2009, 07:23 PM

you took the bait...ROFL...
I give Canadians ten extra cool points because I work with them often enough, and my fondest moments as a young sailor were in Vancouver.
I am not quite sure what your banging on about, but I think there are serious deficits.
Honestly Judas, arent you overeacting a bit to the obvious here?
Influenza and other illnesses can weaken the body and comprimise the immune system, but H1N1 is particulerly dangerous.
If there is any hype, perhaps it is that people are just starting to react locally and on a national level.
We just recieved 30,000 doses of vaccine and so have not seen the value of Tamilflu.
You do know what H1N1 is dont you?

Judas · Oct 29, 2009, 07:46 PM

wadeing through the conflicting information pertaining to h1n1..... a genetically modified variant of a pre-excisting virus, one of which they haven't clearly pointed out which, but based on a strain that isn't really considered deadly by any means.

But then again our definition of "deadly" may be different. Deadly suggests fatal if contracted, meaning your basically dead unless it's a merical that you survived.

Falstaff · Oct 29, 2009, 08:19 PM

Your on the right track Judas, but because a virus isn't like a single cell organism, and if anything, each strain is unique affecting different kinds of organisms and the symptoms are equally as different if not mortally compelling.
Look at HIV, deadly in its final stages, because it destroys the bodies defenses against other diseases, including cancer.
A virus must combine with a hosts DNA with is own RNA, so the nature of the virus will change. Some lie dormant in your bodie and others are more active.
Because a virus can confuse the bodies defenses and cause havoc with your immune system. Because they are non-living sub-microscopic organisms have probably have existed as long as most living creatures we know.
Varicella, Heptitis, Herpes, Influenza are infectious, disabling and disfiguring and affect the quality of human life so immunization is necessary for the greater good of everyone.
I dont think we know everything about viruses but a compendium is available on the web for your benefit should you desire a greater understanding.
I have to be honest though and mention that my definition of hype is really short for hyperbole or bullshit.
When I see a thread with lots of bullshit about a subject I am interested in, I have to say something.
More knowlege and less rubbish is of greater value than emotional responses to something that is perfectly understood with information that is freely available to anyone who wishes to understand the truth.

List of viruses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and here is another simpler list for more research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...ortant_viruses

Judas · Oct 29, 2009, 09:17 PM

But the fact remains that it isn't perfectly understood..

there is more and more questions coming about, differences across the entire human genome and so many factors at play, that there is as much counter hype as there is hype.

I'm sure your aware of the technical documented data pertaining to recent vacination stats and other issues pertaining to it.

It's all dandy reading from government sources and the accepted norml/documented evidence, but one must look at 3rd party, alternative sources or else you just taking things on blind faith..

Government isn't always for the people and at this point in time, hasn't for awhile, never will be. It's still pure stupidity to take everything on faith in a clearly broken system.

And knowing the lack of testing done with the h1n1 vacine..... and the number of issues people are having after taking it....

Falstaff · Oct 29, 2009, 09:35 PM

What isnt perfectly understood Judas?
I see you have an axe to grind, and since I work for the government of the United States, I want to know why you have believe what you believe.
Nothing is perfect, but I wonder if your argument is more frustration than fact.
Please enlighten us all with your facts and or your argument supported by facts.

comp_ali · Oct 29, 2009, 09:46 PM

I like how they let people smoke cigarettes and factories make it without restrictions despite certainly causing a hell of diseases and maybe death then bitch about the possibility of being died from swine flu "in case you caught it in the first place".

Crap.

Falstaff · Oct 29, 2009, 10:01 PM

I see that swine flu has turned its ugly head into tobacco.
As a cash crop grown worldwide, I can only conclude, that like sugar
there is a demand for it.
tobacco in my country is regulated and taxed and the forthcoming democratic social reforms will make medical care for the forthcoming generation of smokers with COPD more affordable or even free, all at the expense of the taxpayer.
You can legislate lots of things, but over-consumption or abuse is something that is beyond the spirit and the letter of the law.
Swine flu, other diseases, including those cause by tobacco and alcohol can kill.
I see no real arguments here other than unsubstantiated remarks about what isnt known about diseases and conjecture about opinions based on very few facts.
I would even accept information from the British Media at this point.

Zelig · Oct 30, 2009, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Judas

filled with mercury

I'd like to point out that a can of tuna has more mercury than a flu vaccine.

Falstaff · Oct 30, 2009, 02:55 AM

or a set of fillings from the dentist as well..

Oct 25, 2009, 05:57 PM	#1
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	US declares swine flu 'emergency' US President Barack Obama has declared swine flu a national emergency. The White House said the president signed the proclamation concerning the 2009 H1N1 outbreak on Friday evening. It increases the ability of treatment facilities to handle a surge in H1N1 patients by easing the implementation of emergency plans. ______________ source : BBC __________________

Oct 25, 2009, 08:09 PM	#2
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' Emmergency, who is earning money from all this HooHaaBaaLooo __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Oct 25, 2009, 08:19 PM	#3
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,470 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' 1000 deaths out of 300+ million. How many people die each year from regular flu in the USA? __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Oct 26, 2009, 06:45 AM	#4
isaak HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,286 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' It's completely washed over in Australia. __________________ The first step... shall be to lose the way. - Galway Kinnell

Oct 26, 2009, 01:51 PM	Thread Starter #6
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' Good you've recovered . __________________

Oct 27, 2009, 10:11 AM	#7
Cow_160483 HH's only cow moooooo... Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: BOTSWANA Posts: 6,820 Rep Power: 300 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' this is just a marketing ploy by the manufactures of tamiflu... how much money are they making i wonder :P __________________ Decode! Muhahahahah!

Oct 27, 2009, 10:32 AM	Thread Starter #8
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' Apparently they decided to __________________

Oct 28, 2009, 03:10 PM	#13
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' Judas with so much pent up energy why dont ya DO SOMETHIN ABOUT IT MAN. There are so many places you can go to make a change dont be stuck cut off from people who like you are informed and taking action, ive joined the Zeitgeist Movement and will hopefully Godwilling create a site which will hopefully act as a launchpoint for future activities. My point get OUT THERE __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Oct 28, 2009, 07:17 PM	#14
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' the only hype I have seen about H1N1 has been in a few posts on this forum. its real, and it can kill, just like as someone mentioned, other forms of influenza too. the point is, America or rather the world isnt prepared to deal with influenza yet, it wasnt a hundred years ago and it isnt now. when it costs business missed days at work, business starts to panic __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 28, 2009, 10:46 PM	#15
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' You know Falstaff its not that we'r sayin it aint real, its just that we've learned that whenever westeren media make a hype about something its ALWAYS BAD NEWS and someone ALWAYS makes money out of it, every major assasination in the US has always had CIA behind it. How are we supposed to trust a goverment that killed great minds and progressive leaders and thinkers like :Malcom X, JFK, Martin Luter King Jr and that sends its poor to Iraq and Afghanistan for black gold ,then give a man(Obama) who hasnt done sheit a Peace Award, a goverment that barely gives a shit about people who cant get health care and allows the health caer institutions to throw people on the street to literaly die, and then all of a sudden they Care!!!! Bullshit!!!!! They dont give a fuck about us they just want to make money from this to cover losses from the economic fallout. __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Oct 28, 2009, 11:25 PM	#16
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' ummmmmm okay.... but you have to admit.... Influenza is real.... whether it is hyped or not. it kills and disrupts, and it is seasonal.. and we really cant do shiite about it. just try to remain healthy and observe good hygiene. hand washing, staying away from work or school and even masks are necessary. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 29, 2009, 12:09 AM	#17
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' yep, i know , thats all we can really do is try to take care of ourselves __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Oct 29, 2009, 03:49 AM	#18
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' where I work we processed over three hundred swine flu cases and perhaps quite a bit more of the routine flu symptom related illnesses, the CDC and the WHO want metrics to determine the spread of the epidemic, but eventually we will all be exposed, its only a matter of time. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 29, 2009, 07:23 PM	#22
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' you took the bait...ROFL... I give Canadians ten extra cool points because I work with them often enough, and my fondest moments as a young sailor were in Vancouver. I am not quite sure what your banging on about, but I think there are serious deficits. Honestly Judas, arent you overeacting a bit to the obvious here? Influenza and other illnesses can weaken the body and comprimise the immune system, but H1N1 is particulerly dangerous. If there is any hype, perhaps it is that people are just starting to react locally and on a national level. We just recieved 30,000 doses of vaccine and so have not seen the value of Tamilflu. You do know what H1N1 is dont you? __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 29, 2009, 08:19 PM	#24
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' Your on the right track Judas, but because a virus isn't like a single cell organism, and if anything, each strain is unique affecting different kinds of organisms and the symptoms are equally as different if not mortally compelling. Look at HIV, deadly in its final stages, because it destroys the bodies defenses against other diseases, including cancer. A virus must combine with a hosts DNA with is own RNA, so the nature of the virus will change. Some lie dormant in your bodie and others are more active. Because a virus can confuse the bodies defenses and cause havoc with your immune system. Because they are non-living sub-microscopic organisms have probably have existed as long as most living creatures we know. Varicella, Heptitis, Herpes, Influenza are infectious, disabling and disfiguring and affect the quality of human life so immunization is necessary for the greater good of everyone. I dont think we know everything about viruses but a compendium is available on the web for your benefit should you desire a greater understanding. I have to be honest though and mention that my definition of hype is really short for hyperbole or bullshit. When I see a thread with lots of bullshit about a subject I am interested in, I have to say something. More knowlege and less rubbish is of greater value than emotional responses to something that is perfectly understood with information that is freely available to anyone who wishes to understand the truth. List of viruses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and here is another simpler list for more research. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...ortant_viruses __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 29, 2009, 09:35 PM	#26
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' What isnt perfectly understood Judas? I see you have an axe to grind, and since I work for the government of the United States, I want to know why you have believe what you believe. Nothing is perfect, but I wonder if your argument is more frustration than fact. Please enlighten us all with your facts and or your argument supported by facts. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 29, 2009, 09:46 PM	Thread Starter #27
comp_ali Sniper Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Egypt Posts: 10,469 Rep Power: 339 System Specs	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' I like how they let people smoke cigarettes and factories make it without restrictions despite certainly causing a hell of diseases and maybe death then bitch about the possibility of being died from swine flu "in case you caught it in the first place". Crap. __________________

Oct 29, 2009, 10:01 PM	#28
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' I see that swine flu has turned its ugly head into tobacco. As a cash crop grown worldwide, I can only conclude, that like sugar there is a demand for it. tobacco in my country is regulated and taxed and the forthcoming democratic social reforms will make medical care for the forthcoming generation of smokers with COPD more affordable or even free, all at the expense of the taxpayer. You can legislate lots of things, but over-consumption or abuse is something that is beyond the spirit and the letter of the law. Swine flu, other diseases, including those cause by tobacco and alcohol can kill. I see no real arguments here other than unsubstantiated remarks about what isnt known about diseases and conjecture about opinions based on very few facts. I would even accept information from the British Media at this point. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Oct 30, 2009, 02:55 AM	#30
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Re: US declares swine flu 'emergency' or a set of fillings from the dentist as well.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."