Judas

With that train of thought, why bother with any form of arguement, dispute, or outright issue at all and just use the "I win" button for everything including against anyone that may question the "I win" button.

Dropping the bomb like that is questionable that it was necessary. And dropping the bomb has several alternatives. Was it right to drop that bomb? Anyone that convinces themselves that it was right should just walk out into a 4 lane highway and not even flinch when they get hit by a 22 wheelier. Why? Because it's not only rediculious, it's effectively the most hypocritical, and biased point of view anyone could have on the subject.

And don't give me that "Better them, then me" cause that's a scapegoat cowards responce. Survival is one matter, doing a lazy job of it is another. And knowing that someone is going to take the easy out doesn't give you justification for going ahead and doing it POSSIBLY before they do, because you can't know.

A life is a life, no one persons life is any more valueable then the other, PERIOD.

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demarc

yes a persons life is as valuable as the next. tell that to the japs who invaded another country or to the hitler loving folks who think they are better than everyone

i think that if the US never dropped the bomb the war would have lasted longer and would only stop until someone got squashed or their resources run out. do you personally think the japs would have surrendered if the bombs were never dropped? i think no

remember the war lasting longer would result to more lives lost on the battle field (friendlies and enemies alike) more resources lost (war cost resources). tell me you prefer more lives lost than a single bomb dropped in their home?

i'm pretty sure you have never been to war i've never been on one too but if i'm on one and i'm on the good side and i see this country invading someones turf and i ask them to surrender and stop and they didn't i would personally push that A-bomb button to bomb their asses

the bomb was the single turning point in wwii that put the fear in their faces that caused them to think twice to continue to go to war

do you think asking them nicely would stop what they are doing? giving empty threats would work? they only understand one language - power. show them you have it and they would stop what they are doing

to make it short the japs were the bad guys, they were wrong for conquering another country, they would continue to go to war as long as they have the manpower and their resources have not run out, they have no intention of surrendering. war is horrible, devastating and unnecessary. if there's an easy way out i would take it any time of the day than experience it for all it's gory glory

i'd like to be an idealist and say i hope no country thinks of conquering another country again but you and i both know it's only a matter of time before someone does it again

judge me all you want i don't care. the bomb ended the war early than it should have and probably saved more lives in the long run

@temeteus82
you're starting to act like an ass. instead of contributing to the discussion you bicker like a kid whos lunch box got stolen. GROW UP. this would be my last reply to your immature comments. i don't like to be further dragged to your level of thinking

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Neshi

The 2nd bomb wasn't even necessary as Japan capitulated after the 1st..

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temeteus82

well you dragged to to this level by your comments earlier so that made me think that you would like to play in that level.... but back to the topic...


You still haven't given any solid evidence that certain viruses are made by man. That is what you should be able to do... If you look the complexity of the viruses you would see that they are so complex that the current level of medical technology just cant create such things...

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Judas

this is parroted propaganda inbedded in ones mind, nothing more.

as the technology not only to construct and develope such are relatively easy specially when no hold bar is in order which any crazy loons wouldn't put restrictions on....

The problem with point to sources is that it's all subjective, their perspective is questionable, which is still good, but doing your own research you LEAD you to a over abundance of documented sources that clearly state what has and has not been happening..

Construction of a virus or "remodling" of one isn't difficult.

Specially in this specific time where human imortality is possible through REAL suspended animation. YES the technology for such in which someone is not dead but isn't living has been around for a few years now and is currently in human trials.

Go look that shit up if your mind has been blown.

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temeteus82

Yeah virus remodeling isn't that hard in these days. But I'm not really sure if the suspended animation will work. We are talking about putting organic tissue to temperatures around -197°C. I think that the water in human cells in that temperature will cause dame to the cell that cannot be fixed at all.

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Jac

Take the AIDS virus as an example. Actual samples taken from preserved medical specimens of people that died in the 60s show that the virus has been around for 50 years. The virus was identified in the 80s. Genetic research shows that the virus has likely been around since the early 20th century, originally a virus in monkey populations that has mutated enough to cross the species barrier.

Yet there are still plently of internet rumour merchants spreading all types of bullshit about how the CIA manufactured AIDS as a biological weapon, that it's god's judgement, that Aliens released it to kill of the human population. etc etc etc.

http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/reprint/196/3/338.pdf, Timing the Ancestor of the HIV-1 Pandemic Strains -- Korber et al. 288 (5472): 1789 -- Science

Judas

who said freezing someone, specially at that temperature was a requirement?

Think a little further outside the box...

What was thought to be a merical in the past for various unexplained situations can later be explained and studied and work on to create solutions today.

Suspended animation is now of them due to the strange things that have occured in the past.

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temeteus82

well most of the companies that are working on that field. Since they don't have any other solution to suspend body functions.
I'm trying to but can't figure out any plausible way to suspend humans body functions... Perhaps you could share some light on this ....

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Judas

While "WE" may not necessarily know the specifics on what occured in the past, we do have facts, and some of those facts are rarely ever mentioned let alone heard of ever.

I'd suggest learning about what was known about "henrietta lacks" and even then there is some pretty scewed details about that women and the "technologies" available at the time, things turn pretty wild quickly.

What we are told to have occured or were invented or what was available from official sources are quickly losing credibility. Alternative sources are starting to get better credibility.

And in the end it's the simple internal mind game, either you've already convinced yourself that what you were FIRST told, taught, shown to be true and also true, in the extent that it's infaliable, at which point every attempt to NOT budge, research, or just completely disreguard anything that may state or show evidence that it may not be "quite" right. In another words, it comes down to exactly how much "Blind" faith anyone has in what they essentially beleive, and then it comes down to the fact that some people insist on for whatever ilogical reason it may be, that they must beleive in at least something, at which point it becomes a total internal battle, not just among your concious but your subconcious. It's about control, and if at any point most people find that anything and everything could potentially be completely wrong, that most of what they thought to be real was an illusion, suddenly the think they are either insane or everyone else is. OR they try and find solid ground to plant their feet on, and if they can't find it, well damn they'll just make some up based on the majority consensus reguardless of it being true or not.

And then shit really gets ugly as everyone, starts basing their own facts on meer opinions that are based on the majority "vote" in a sense. Still this doesn't mean it's true.

It all comes down to the basic principle of a good "foundation" and frankly, and i'm actually quite excited to see this, all the bullshit is only now starting to be questioned to the point of just about anyone taking the time to do a little research into it and while may be drawing up infactual conclusions, it's still ALWAYS on the table for discussion and will continue to be without EVER having a definite answer.

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Judas

It has been found actually quite a number of years ago that a specific chemical which i personally am not familare with enough to name right now without going and find it. (no time atm)... is able to reduce oxygen requirements in any living oraganism to the point of essentially stopping all fuctions at specific temperature lvls. Interestingly this chemical was previously know to or thought to have instantly KILLED people, and in most cases in high doses or applied incorrectly can easily kill people.

Now there are countless companies and instatutes and scientific systems working on this. However only one that i know of not only has been able to determine how this works, but able to repeatedly and successfully STOP (not kill) a lifeform of any time in its tracks, suspending it for undisclosed periods of time and then letting it "thaw" without it aging at all.

Now i gotta run... but feel free to check out some of the TED talks.

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Jac

Judas here you are again making bald assertions, not quoting sources and talking about 'the man' like some 13 year old whose been sent to his room.

There's no way to be absolutely certain about anything. We have to make decisions all the time about what we believe and the reasons we believe it. I make these decisions based on rational thinking and I am a strong believer that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. I also place a lot of confidence in the scientific method and peer review - why, because it's consistently right, it's self-regulating and self-correcting.

The problem with the internet is that any deluded nutflap with a modem can get online and spout bullshit to their hearts content at little cost to themselves and no matter how idiotic the shite that spurts from their mouths they will find supporters...

EXHIBIT A



As far as I'm concerned people like you and your fellow spacejockey there should be banned from the internet. All you do is muddy the waters to the point where people no longer no what to believe. I'm tired of reading your posts so will cease as of now..

Judas

And your are a prime example AKA known as Exhibit B...

Having already "known" the end result of any circumstance, the simpliest explanation is relatively straight forward "and simpliestic".... however quite often leading up to it and further investigation into any matter actually ends up being pretty damn complicated..

You cannot take A + B = C for the most part aside from 3rd grade geometry or about that lvl of physics. So claiming that i'm the 13 yeard old mudding up the waters is absurd, but your free to cast your relatively "simple" oppinion of me or anyone else that takes a more questioning or intuetive stand, still doesn't make it true or realistic.

Pretty harsh words, BANNED, removed, in another words killed off so to speak clearly places you in the realm of perhaps superiority complex issues, or just "knowing" best.

Without dragging a crapton of other things into this topic, i could go ahead and assume a number of things but i'll yeild that in preference of while continueing to read your posts, not going to bother expecting any form of intelligent conversation from you simply because you'd prefer to insult or belittle someone rather then actually discussing it intelligently.

have fun.

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