Sickness - a necessary evil? why?

demarc · Mar 22, 2010, 03:55 AM

is sickness a necessary evil? why? like cancer, heart disease or every sickness you could think off. i'm talking about the natural sickness not the man made sickness like aids, dengue (i think ebola was man made too). have at it

Neshi · Mar 22, 2010, 04:24 AM

yes, necessary to keep the world population in check.
I actually think we need more deadly diseases because nature can't keep up with humans figuring out antidotes and prolonging life..

Tahir Khan · Mar 22, 2010, 02:51 PM

The common cold can be quite nasty at times.
And AID's is not man-made - it jumped from monkeys to humans.

**temeteus82** · Mar 22, 2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by demarc

i'm talking about the natural sickness not the man made sickness like aids, dengue (i think ebola was man made too). have at it

As far as I know HIV (Human immunodeficiency virus) isn't man made and same goes for dengue... Both of them are far too complex to be man made.

Segurito · Mar 22, 2010, 07:39 PM

You should think about this diseases from something deeper than just this. Some kind of cancers are a result of genetical or enviromental problems. The hearth diseases have so many reasons just like any kind of problem. Evil?, nah, it's just the evolution. From the beginning the first living "thing's" like the cyanobacteria's had an enzyme to suicide themself from inside. This to help the rest of billions of cyanobacteria's with nutrients. Anyway, this is too far away from the question.

I don't think the diseases should be considered as something bad or evil. It's just the result's of deficiency's and/or the constant contact between billions and billions of different microorganism's. It's just the way how "the life" choosed to evolve...

demarc · Mar 23, 2010, 06:42 AM

i'm not saying diseases is evil evil. diseases/sickness are not self aware or sentient of course they could not be evil. only those who are self aware and sentient and knows right from wrong could be evil. what i'm trying to say is, is sickness necessary?

@segurito
you never had a close (really close) family member die from sickness? everybody i know views sickness as bad and not just part of evolution or nature

Neshi · Mar 23, 2010, 09:23 AM

read my post again.. answer to ur question

Senor_Mota · Mar 23, 2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by demarc

is sickness a necessary evil? why? like cancer, heart disease or every sickness you could think off. i'm talking about the natural sickness not the man made sickness like aids, dengue (i think ebola was man made too). have at it

First of all, I want proof that AIDS is a man-made virus. In fact, I'm studying AIDS and other deadly virus strains in Biology 101 right now and happen to have empirical evidence in front of me stating that AIDS is a virus that mutated over time with the evolution of man.

Sources?

Secondly, I think that diseases like this are perceived as something designed to destroy us...but really, it's just another organism trying to procreate and survive like we do, albeit far more simply than we are in terms of cognisance. We share a symbiotic bond with Earth along with about 3.2 trillion other species of animals, plants and organisms.

We're bound to get in the way of something "bigger" than us eventually.

**temeteus82** · Mar 23, 2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Senor_Mota

First of all, I want proof that AIDS is a man-made virus. In fact, I'm studying AIDS and other deadly virus strains in Biology 101 right now and happen to have empirical evidence in front of me stating that AIDS is a virus that mutated over time with the evolution of man.

Sources?

Err.. AIDS (Acquired immune deficiency syndrome) is caused by HIV virus.

I'm too waiting the sources ...

demarc · Mar 24, 2010, 08:34 AM

it would not be called conspiracy theory if it's already proven, right?

if i have factual sources that aids is a man-made bio weapon, I together with my sources would be locked in a windowless room and the keys thrown away and left there to rot for all eternity

Senor_Mota · Mar 24, 2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by demarc

it would not be called conspiracy theory if it's already proven, right?

if i have factual sources that aids is a man-made bio weapon, I together with my sources would be locked in a windowless room and the keys thrown away and left there to rot for all eternity

Conspiracy theories aside, if you make such a bold statement, you should have some proof.

demarc · Mar 24, 2010, 03:45 PM

google "aids man-made" and do some reading

btw you believe in a Higher Power? have proof?

i believe in God but i don't have proof, so i'm fooling myself then?

Neshi · Mar 24, 2010, 10:13 PM

google cropcircles made by aliens and do some reading..

for every thing there are 'facts' to be found to proof your side.

as for the last one, yes you are..

**temeteus82** · Mar 24, 2010, 10:28 PM

99.99% of the content in the internet is crap :P
*sigh*

demarc · Mar 25, 2010, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

99.99% of the content in the internet is crap :P
*sigh*

99.999999% of what the government tells the people is crap

**temeteus82** · Mar 25, 2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by demarc

99.999999% of what the government tells the people is crap

holy s***** sherlock now you just realized that .. ..

dawgXdenta · Mar 25, 2010, 10:56 AM

Lol, Tem.

Well if you think about it in terms of Carles Darwin many of people have been sacrificed for the sake of our survival, those with weak genes died off so those with stronger stock could survive.
Its evolution bro. Population control and keeping our numbers is check is a bunch of hoooo haaaa the only reason we have surpassed the carrying capacity and food stock is because food is dumped in some countries to regulate food prices, we are nowhere near the numbers that could F up the planet yet, if we apply good green technology and sound science the earth could go up to 60billion before we have to move to mars and the moon and outerstellar planets, check the numbers they arent from me.

Jac · Mar 25, 2010, 01:24 PM

Wow feels like I just wandered in to a special needs class.

Viruses are just simple organisms that replicate themselves. Mutations occur and if such a mutation is of benefit in the replication process then that mutation proliferates.

To ask a question as dumb as why is there a need for sickness is akin to asking why does metal rust. Is the rusting process evil?

Judas · Mar 25, 2010, 03:27 PM

Population control isn't a necessity...

to such that would put you on the other side of the fence of ugenics support.

And people, you really have no clue as to where the orgins of several "claimed to be natural" viruses have come from.

Jac · Mar 25, 2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

And people, you really have no clue as to where the orgins of several "claimed to be natural" viruses have come from.

True, but I'll bet there's some internet troll with a GCSE in Biology who is quite ready to let us all know.

Judas · Mar 25, 2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jac

True, but I'll bet there's some internet troll with a GCSE in Biology who is quite ready to let us all know.

More trolls then you know whom have written the books based not on their own perceptions but from what they were told themselves and taught.

It only takes 1 Generation of people to be force fed things before it's accepted by the masses that it is true reguardless of how totally false it is.

There is so much crap out there simply accepted as being true and the norm and it is only that way simply because the majority state so without ACTUALLY putting it to the true test and doing some real investigations into the matter, and when those that have done the real investigations walking through ALL sources reguardless of how utterly unbeleiveable they may be, they are still worth checking, and they've come up with condradicting evidence otherwise.

The tables turn, the conspiracy in itself initially labled on the minority ends up being the majority walk in it without realising it let alone blindly dismissing it.

Tahir Khan · Mar 27, 2010, 01:14 AM

Population history of indigenous peoples of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Nearly all scholars now believe that widespread epidemic disease, to which the natives had no prior exposure or resistance, was the overwhelming cause of the massive population decline of the Native Americans.[16]

Neshi · Mar 27, 2010, 06:14 AM

eehm.. yeah, first of all. Quoting wikipedia doesn't do anything to make a point. As anybody can alter info none of it is usable as a good source.

and what point were you making?

Judas · Mar 27, 2010, 03:09 PM

wiki is as good a source because it can be changed so easily...... it just takes far more critisism which is the best.

anonemus · Mar 27, 2010, 03:19 PM

On this "necessary evil" argument: was dropping an A-bomb on Hiroshima considered a "necessary evil"?

demarc · Mar 27, 2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by temeteus82

99.99% of the content in the internet is crap :P
*sigh*

holy s***** sherlock now you just realized that .. ..

@anonemus
yes, dropping the A-bomb saved our asses

@Jac
i'd rather be dumb than a jerk

Judas · Mar 30, 2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by demarc

@anonemus
yes, dropping the A-bomb saved our asses

that's highly questionable...

**temeteus82** · Mar 30, 2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by demarc

holy s***** sherlock now you just realized that .. ..

i see that you are just one of those copy cats who don't know anything but copies everything they see.....

demarc · Mar 31, 2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Judas

that's highly questionable...

i think that if the US dropped the A-bomb early at whoever started WWII, the war would have ended earlier. who in their right mind would continue to go to war with a country that could create that much destruction with a single bomb? would you rather be on the side of the one who dropped the bomb or the one who got bombed?

@temeteus82
i'm using your own words against you. you don't know how that works?

tsk and i'm the dumb one click here if you're a genius

**temeteus82** · Mar 31, 2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by demarc

i'm using your own words against you. you don't know how that works?

so you need to use my words because you cannot come up with something original???

Mar 22, 2010, 03:55 AM	#1
demarc HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 110 Rep Power: 23 System Specs	Sickness - a necessary evil? why? is sickness a necessary evil? why? like cancer, heart disease or every sickness you could think off. i'm talking about the natural sickness not the man made sickness like aids, dengue (i think ebola was man made too). have at it __________________ the sky is falling..

Mar 22, 2010, 04:24 AM	#2
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? yes, necessary to keep the world population in check. I actually think we need more deadly diseases because nature can't keep up with humans figuring out antidotes and prolonging life.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Mar 22, 2010, 02:51 PM	#3
Tahir Khan Hardware Geek Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 490 Rep Power: 29	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? The common cold can be quite nasty at times. And AID's is not man-made - it jumped from monkeys to humans.

Mar 22, 2010, 07:39 PM	#5
Segurito DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Concepción, Chile Posts: 131 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? You should think about this diseases from something deeper than just this. Some kind of cancers are a result of genetical or enviromental problems. The hearth diseases have so many reasons just like any kind of problem. Evil?, nah, it's just the evolution. From the beginning the first living "thing's" like the cyanobacteria's had an enzyme to suicide themself from inside. This to help the rest of billions of cyanobacteria's with nutrients. Anyway, this is too far away from the question. I don't think the diseases should be considered as something bad or evil. It's just the result's of deficiency's and/or the constant contact between billions and billions of different microorganism's. It's just the way how "the life" choosed to evolve... __________________ ya hya chouhada!

Mar 23, 2010, 06:42 AM	Thread Starter #6
demarc HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 110 Rep Power: 23 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? i'm not saying diseases is evil evil. diseases/sickness are not self aware or sentient of course they could not be evil. only those who are self aware and sentient and knows right from wrong could be evil. what i'm trying to say is, is sickness necessary? @segurito you never had a close (really close) family member die from sickness? everybody i know views sickness as bad and not just part of evolution or nature __________________ the sky is falling..

Mar 23, 2010, 09:23 AM	#7
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? read my post again.. answer to ur question __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Mar 24, 2010, 08:34 AM	Thread Starter #10
demarc HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 110 Rep Power: 23 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? it would not be called conspiracy theory if it's already proven, right? if i have factual sources that aids is a man-made bio weapon, I together with my sources would be locked in a windowless room and the keys thrown away and left there to rot for all eternity __________________ the sky is falling..

Mar 24, 2010, 03:45 PM	Thread Starter #12
demarc HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Philippines Posts: 110 Rep Power: 23 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? google "aids man-made" and do some reading btw you believe in a Higher Power? have proof? i believe in God but i don't have proof, so i'm fooling myself then? __________________ the sky is falling..

Mar 24, 2010, 10:13 PM	#13
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? google cropcircles made by aliens and do some reading.. for every thing there are 'facts' to be found to proof your side. as for the last one, yes you are.. __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Mar 25, 2010, 10:56 AM	#17
dawgXdenta HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gabz Posts: 1,995 Rep Power: 135 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? Lol, Tem. Well if you think about it in terms of Carles Darwin many of people have been sacrificed for the sake of our survival, those with weak genes died off so those with stronger stock could survive. Its evolution bro. Population control and keeping our numbers is check is a bunch of hoooo haaaa the only reason we have surpassed the carrying capacity and food stock is because food is dumped in some countries to regulate food prices, we are nowhere near the numbers that could F up the planet yet, if we apply good green technology and sound science the earth could go up to 60billion before we have to move to mars and the moon and outerstellar planets, check the numbers they arent from me. __________________ Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done. --- Osama bin Laden when relating how global media has the minds of the masses. ______________________________________ http://dawgxdenta.deviantart.com/gallery/

Mar 25, 2010, 01:24 PM	#18
Jac HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: England Posts: 769 Rep Power: 51 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? Wow feels like I just wandered in to a special needs class. Viruses are just simple organisms that replicate themselves. Mutations occur and if such a mutation is of benefit in the replication process then that mutation proliferates. To ask a question as dumb as why is there a need for sickness is akin to asking why does metal rust. Is the rusting process evil?

Mar 27, 2010, 06:14 AM	#23
Neshi S.N.A.F.U. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wellington, NZ Posts: 3,386 Rep Power: 183 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? eehm.. yeah, first of all. Quoting wikipedia doesn't do anything to make a point. As anybody can alter info none of it is usable as a good source. and what point were you making? __________________ If one does not attach himself to people and desire, never shall his heart be broken. But then, does he ever truly live? Life is just too damn short for if's and maybe's

Mar 27, 2010, 03:19 PM	#25
anonemus 80 Plus Certified Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 989 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	Re: Sickness - a necessary evil? why? On this "necessary evil" argument: was dropping an A-bomb on Hiroshima considered a "necessary evil"?